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[EuchreJack]

I think it's better if everyone says "Oh, you can't kill me, I'm gonna target Crystalizedmire".

...in fact, that is exact what I am going to do.  Looking forward to Day Five, Fuck You Mafia Scum! 

For how long are all abilities blocked?  Just the one night?  You mean - factional and genre and personal for 1 night. That's totally cool.

It triggers each night the player ends in the Safe Zone.

[EuchreJack]

@Imp: To be clear, I feel you are town, just in case my last post had you confused or something.  I understand you don't have the extra posts to ask such things, so I'm making clear that I trust the green check I got on you, along with your posts throughout the game, as confirming your townness.

[EuchreJack]

To clarify further: Two Houses triggers for players that end the night at the location with Two Houses. 
A player moves to the location of the player they target, so if the target is NOT located where there are Two (or more) Houses, then the player acts normally.

[notquitethere]

Imp

Another reason I want NQT dead today, I suspect he is maf with General Campaign.  LOOK AT NQT HOW CAN HE NOT HAVE THAT?

I have literally no idea why you think this. To be clear, I am a Duelist and I do not have the Global Campaign* genre and even if I did (and I don't) it wouldn't make me mafia. This is a stab in the dark, missing the mark. On D2 by not knowing how that genre's power worked, I made a claim that made Vermillion and Fallacy briefly think I was lying.

*You mean Global not General.


Salvatore

My play schedule may be restricted but if I've been trying to "sit on the sidelines" then I must not be doing a very good job of it.

Well, it's true that now the spotlight has fell upon you, but before now you were flying under the radar. Anyway, I'm open to hearing your thoughts on this. My read on you is wrapped up with my read of Imp and NJW and my guesses about how Magma might have structured the Duelist role. If you really think this, consider my blunder with Fallacy and Vermillion on D2. Perhaps you think I'm very adept at feigning ignorance, but I almost walked into being a wagon pick due to talking about my actions the wrong way for the Global genre power.

As you know, I had earlier believed that you, NJW and I were all town and that our chat was a delayed mason chat. The appearance of Imp and the revelation from Juice's flip that scum have full knowledge of the genres and can interfere with them has made me change my assumptions. I now think it more likely that it's an initial chat of 1 scum and 2 town, with scum able to pad out the duel chat with someone else if they're ever worried about one of their number being eliminated. Whether Imp is town or mafia, it makes more sense to be able to pad out the duelist chat if they're concerned about someone's cover being blown from within.

If you're town, I don't want to eliminate you. So if you're town, then give me an alternative story that makes more sense of the facts.

(Actually horrible scenario which I don't want to believe, Scum-Imp joins the chat to save Scum-Salvatore, planning to eliminate me during the day then NJW at night, with the survivors declaring themselves masons at LYLO... Like I said above in my last post, I think on balance, despite my gut twisting, this is still probably town Imp.)

[Crystalizedmire]

I dont understand why scum!Imp or town!Imp would lie about giving themselves another genre unless it was a very overpowered genre. I still think Elephant parade and NJW are town. NQT seems town as well. Becoming more suspicious of  Imp and by extension Euchrejack but nothing is set in stone.

Why do you think I'm lying?  It happened, and I did not make it happen or know it would.

I've made a case with multiple concerns about it on NQT.  Will you look at any of it?

"Becoming more suspicious of  Imp and by extension Euchrejack but nothing is set in stone."

What are you more suspicious of?  What are you reading? What looks right or wrong to you?

There's only 6 other players.

Also, less supicious of Salvatore Monday now that I know being unable to check alignements was probably not their fault.

What do you like about his play? Did he look town to you before you decided he probably didn't block you?  If so, why?

If you think I'm maf, why sus of EJ?

Cause godfather's not a thing, and if you're sus of me you gotta be sus of him?

Play and think, CM.

Care about town or die.  It has to be that way.  You better not be town if that's literally all you are giving this game.

Sorry, I thought it was confirmed that you gave yourself a genre.

Crystal, with all the fresh content over the last day, do you still think Salvatore is the best pick?

Good question. So as far as I can tell, most of the discussion is about how Imp gave herself a genre without telling anyone. I dont think we mnow what the genre those, correct?
Also, less supicious of Salvatore Monday now that I know being unable to check alignements was probably not their fault.

So, to clear this up. NQT, NJW, and I started the game with the Duel genre. (I can't vouch for whether either of them have other genres, as far as I remember. I don't.)

If you have the duel genre, you start in a cool duelist chat which can only be used at night.

At the end of last night, Imp appeared in the chat, having apparently gained the Duel genre. At this point it is being argued why that happened. Imp claims not to have done it but was seen self-targeting.

Can I get to be in a cool duelist chat next?

@Crystalizedmire: Anything else you can tell us about your night actions, results, or lack of info.

Nobody except me (successfully?) targeted me last night.

@Crystalizedmire: I think you might be in a safe zone.  Please do not act tonight.  I'm unsure if you would be able to act, but we need you as a beacon to the no-kill zone.

Okay, I hope that tonight my self targeting ability won't get disabled. If not, I'll still go ahead with the plan

[NJW2000]

Pfp so keeping this brief.

On a reread, I like Hyper more and Salvatore less, which is confusing. Hyper makes more sense for town running out of time to play. Salvatore on the other hand… At the very least, they seem a bit fixated on the mechanical binds that have been set up for them, like CM getting no result or the addition to the duelist chat. If town, I get the slight sense they felt comfortable they’d be able to prove their alignment at some point, and had been coasting. Resulting in worse play all round, and a slightly petulant day today. Which I get, but you need to be able to ignore those things and actually think about reads, if you’re town.


CM has some good stuff like bold claims, but does seem to mainly find someone else to vote and stick there whenever they’re in trouble, and is happy to not contribute much the rest of the time. Could be bad townplay, but I don’t particularly like it.


I still think scum is in {EJ, CM, Salvatore}, though less certain now. I’m honestly very worried about a miselim - I think we’re very likely in MYLO, because of the no-kill N1. Strongly suspect mafia were setting up something that would trigger down the line.

Will try and get my position firmer tomorrow - had a busy evening, cake day etc. apologies if recent missed questions.

[Elephant Parade]

N1's lack of kill was probably due to the protect on EJ, unless scum is juice + EJ + Imp and they were setting up a clear on EJ and Imp after juice flipped (nothing about this is impossible, but it'd be quite the scheme, especially since I don't think Tric confirmed he was targeting EJ before he did it).

I still don't understand why juicebox, noted scum, claimed being roleblocked (which nobody has claimed responsibility for) on a night when there was no kill

[Salvatore Monday]

N1's lack of kill was probably due to the protect on EJ, unless scum is juice + EJ + Imp and they were setting up a clear on EJ and Imp after juice flipped (nothing about this is impossible, but it'd be quite the scheme, especially since I don't think Tric confirmed he was targeting EJ before he did it).

I still don't understand why juicebox, noted scum, claimed being roleblocked (which nobody has claimed responsibility for) on a night when there was no kill

I don't know why anyone would possibly kill EuchreJack there and then. I sure wouldn't. If I had been scum, there's no doubt in my mind I would have wanted to kill you n1.

If EuchreJack was the n1 target, then we live in some kind of bizarro world. Excluding juicebox, who probably wouldn't have made the decision since he sleepwalks through games, that might be like... NQT and... maybe you? Pretty hard for me to swallow, to be honest.

I think it's more likely that EuchreJack is scum, not the kill target. A team with both EJ and juicebox in it is one I can definitely imagine no-killing d1 out of fear and the desire to play a quiet game.

[Imp]

6 posts left.

N1's lack of kill was probably due to the protect on EJ, unless scum is juice + EJ + Imp and they were setting up a clear on EJ and Imp after juice flipped (nothing about this is impossible, but it'd be quite the scheme, especially since I don't think Tric confirmed he was targeting EJ before he did it).

I still don't understand why juicebox, noted scum, claimed being roleblocked (which nobody has claimed responsibility for) on a night when there was no kill

I don't know why anyone would possibly kill EuchreJack there and then. I sure wouldn't. If I had been scum, there's no doubt in my mind I would have wanted to kill you n1.

If EuchreJack was the n1 target, then we live in some kind of bizarro world. Excluding juicebox, who probably wouldn't have made the decision since he sleepwalks through games, that might be like... NQT and... maybe you? Pretty hard for me to swallow, to be honest.

I think it's more likely that EuchreJack is scum, not the kill target. A team with both EJ and juicebox in it is one I can definitely imagine no-killing d1 out of fear and the desire to play a quiet game.

Interesting.  I need a much better case against EucherJack, he's very possibly putting down barriers against mafplay.  Annoying for town perhaps, but surely annoying for maf.

I still don't understand why juicebox, noted scum, claimed being roleblocked (which nobody has claimed responsibility for) on a night when there was no kill

EP.  The mech is insanely deep.

However, when Jack dropped a house on Juicebox (I'm thinking Wizard of Oz and the witch getting the house dropped on her?) N1, well D2 is when Juice said 'I was roleblocked'.

Now, was he, dunno.  But there was the no kill N1. Does that explain it?  Does Tric's protect on EJ explain it?  Does something else explain it?  I have no clue.

But Juice claimed roleblocked before Jack claimed dropping the house; Jack didn't clearly claim it until D3, though D2 he was joking about it and about Juice being in a house.

I think you're underestimating the likelihood of the apparent duelist-izer cheat being a nonaction/nontargeting action given that it represents the scum, you know, cheating. Otherwise, no.

To be clear, I should admit that that's a distinct possibility. I'm not saying Imp is dead cert scum. I'm just saying that this result is about as convincing as Euchrejack's inspection. Either way, I don't want to end today with it being the only reason to do anything.

Euchrejack, did you disable a bunch of players? Why??

To be absolutely clear: I have limited knowledge on how my ability actually works, because it targets player's last location in the night. Since I know very little about the locations themselves, I have no idea where my powers actually targeted.

But yes, I used my ability to lock down juicebox.  And hey, juicebox flipped scum!  So...go me right!?

My basic thinking was that I would be able to lock down the mafia from nightkilling, so disabling everyone else's powers seemed like a fair tradeoff in exchange for stopping mafia kills.  And, I think there may be an area where it is impossible to Nightkill.

And to be absolutely clear, my ability should still remain if I am lynched or killed.

For a second night in a row, I got the result of no messages for you.  So I think I was blocked.

My attempted actions were: Develop Property and Pretzels NJW2000

As you can see, Pretzels flips the alignment inspect result.  As Crystal was going to test Salvatore Monday, I did not want to risk anyone else using Pretzels on Salvatore Monday, so I attempted to target it elsewhere.

It's possible that my abilities are triggering, but I am not getting the results.  But more likely that I was blocked twice in a row.

There should be One House in play.  It disables the personal abilities of anyone located there used tonight for the following night.  So if anyone acted upon juicebox, or where juicebox was at end of Night 1, then whatever they did would be disabled the following night.

My actions Night 1: Use Sheriff's Office and Jalepeno Poppers on Imp; Use Develop Property (Active) on Juicebox.
My actions Night 2: Punch CrystalizedMire; Develop Property Juicebox
My actions Night 3: Develop Property and Pretzels NJW2000

[Salvatore Monday]

Interesting.  I need a much better case against EucherJack, he's very possibly putting down barriers against mafplay.  Annoying for town perhaps, but surely annoying for maf.

I suppose it's a good point. The test of EuchreJack should be whether his safe zone works. Maybe I'm not thinking straight tonight. Maybe this is one of those times when it's better to hammer myself and get it out of the way, actually.

[Elephant Parade]

N1's lack of kill was probably due to the protect on EJ, unless scum is juice + EJ + Imp and they were setting up a clear on EJ and Imp after juice flipped (nothing about this is impossible, but it'd be quite the scheme, especially since I don't think Tric confirmed he was targeting EJ before he did it).

I still don't understand why juicebox, noted scum, claimed being roleblocked (which nobody has claimed responsibility for) on a night when there was no kill

I don't know why anyone would possibly kill EuchreJack there and then. I sure wouldn't. If I had been scum, there's no doubt in my mind I would have wanted to kill you n1.

If EuchreJack was the n1 target, then we live in some kind of bizarro world. Excluding juicebox, who probably wouldn't have made the decision since he sleepwalks through games, that might be like... NQT and... maybe you? Pretty hard for me to swallow, to be honest.

I think it's more likely that EuchreJack is scum, not the kill target. A team with both EJ and juicebox in it is one I can definitely imagine no-killing d1 out of fear and the desire to play a quiet game.

Running a bit low on posts (any chance I could get a booster pack, Magma Mater :v? I admittedly double-posted a bunch of times, but with these 96-hour days, hitting the cap is a pretty real possibility) but there's a fairly obvious rationale for targeting EJ N1: he publicly purchased a 1-shot cop D1.

That said, I will lay out my juicebox-EJ-Imp fake-roleblock/no-kill theory in full because, while cut to ribbons by Occam's Razor, I think it's plausible enough to be worth thinking about. Consider the following:
1. D1, juicebox was hardlurking so bussing was a pretty obvious option
2. Scum!EJ, going into N1 with a 1-shot cop, knew that him being cleared would additionally let him clear his partner
3. D1 ended in No Lynch, so No Kill wouldn't put mafia behind tempo
4. D2, juicebox claimed being roleblocked, EJ claimed targeting juicebox and performing a roleblock (but not which player it was being performed on), and Imp did not claim being roleblocked, all of which is consistent with a planned bus involving EJ's confirmable roleblock on juice and a blocked kill/no-kill; they also could reasonably have predicted that Tric would target him with the protect (which he had publicly announced he would use) -- I don't know why they would do the roleblock dance even after Tric claimed protecting EJ, though, which is another point against

All of this is (a) more likely to be a weird coincidence (Occam's Razor says EJ is town and mafia tried to kill him because they knew he had a 1-shot cop) and (b) completely irrelevant if you flip scum, though.

PPE: Actually, on a reread, EJ initially claimed targeting you and corrected to juicebox when I posted my results, so this doesn't work unless scum predicted Tric would protect EJ. Or shifted gears after VS said Tric protected EJ? Either way it just became even less likely.

@Imp: No matter how you slice it, EJ's N1 Develop Property shouldn't have prevented juicebox from acting the same night, since using an action in a One House location supposedly disables it the next night

Interesting.  I need a much better case against EucherJack, he's very possibly putting down barriers against mafplay.  Annoying for town perhaps, but surely annoying for maf.

I suppose it's a good point. The test of EuchreJack should be whether his safe zone works. Maybe I'm not thinking straight tonight. Maybe this is one of those times when it's better to hammer myself and get it out of the way, actually.

I don't like you talking about self-hammering. I wouldn't like you doing it as town here, but saying "gosh I should self-hammer" instead of doing it is +scum to me

[NJW2000]

unvote

I think most of EJ’s mechanical behaviour can be explained as town, though I’ll feel like an absolute twerp if he flips scum after changing his claim to targeting Juicebox, not revealing blocking Imp, and the mechanical confusion of the last two days. Tone says town!EJ though, and that’s deciding it for me.


I think Salvatore is a reasonable elim, especially after the rapid changes of vote just now. I think it’s most likely to be distancing salvatore + CM, but not 100% on that.

Considering scum!NQT a bit, and also considering scum!Imp due to EP’s result. I also notice Imp has found someone (NQT this time) to scumread heavily outside the main elim today, just like she did with Tric when Juicebox was being eliminated. If salvatore flips scum, I’m going to be pretty wary of that slot.

Happy to hammer Salvatore when the time comes, but as a statement of intention, CrystalizedMire. I don’t like the fact they seem to have abandoned the idea of using the inspect despite scumreading EJ, and I think they’ve been just a bit too cute with the jokes and misunderstandings around Imp gaining Duelist.

[EuchreJack]

Happy to hammer Salvatore when the time comes...

I have zero point zero percent faith in NJW2000 ability to follow through with this. 

We seem to be nearing both the end of the day and posting limits for at least two players. 
I would like to hammer so that I do not myself forget to vote before end of day, but I figured that I would give everyone some time before doing so.

[EuchreJack]

Day ends in about 96 hours, at 23:00:00 UTC on February 2.

According to Google, that is 6pm EST (where I am at), in approximately 10 hours 15 minutes.  So we have some time.
I am going to tentatively plan to check back around noon EST, or 5pm UTC, in approximately 4 hours 15 minutes.

[EuchreJack]

Ok, no new posts.  I'm gonna hammer in about half an hour unless anyone objects.