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Salvatore Monday

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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day Three
« Reply #525 on: January 27, 2025, 05:13:50 pm »

I acted on EuchreJack. My role involves guessing certain things about where a player went and what he did there, and then I find out if I was right or wrong. It's not really something I would have chosen to play a game with, but then, I didn't.

I don't have as much information as I would like, but my impression is that I don't think Jack's claimed action is possible. For one thing, I wasn't blocked, which I logically should have been. For another, he claims he acted on CrystalizedMire and juicebox, but I know one of these can't be true because I guessed it (pretty much randomly) and my guess was wrong.

I think those of you who are town-rating EuchreJack are probably wrong.
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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day Three
« Reply #526 on: January 27, 2025, 05:16:20 pm »

@Salvatore Monday: What is your general experience with mafia games?
Extensive. I seem to be considered a good player.

I'm willing to put juicebox in hammer range, if he doesn't show up to defend himself soon. Sure I see the hypocrisy of that but I should be able to participate fine for the next few hours unless my VPN acts up again.
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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day Three
« Reply #527 on: January 27, 2025, 05:23:23 pm »

That's interesting info. I won't say it but I think I can guess what boardgame Hyper submitted.

I think there's a world where Euchrejack grabs the inspect for scum and either clears his buddy Imp, or perhaps more likely clears a town player to get her on side. Still, whatevrr EJ's alignment, I wonder why Imp

Euchrejack , can you point to a post on D1 where you showed a suspicion of Imp?

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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day Three
« Reply #528 on: January 27, 2025, 05:31:29 pm »

@Salvatore Monday: What is your general experience with mafia games?
Extensive. I seem to be considered a good player.

I'm willing to put juicebox in hammer range, if he doesn't show up to defend himself soon. Sure I see the hypocrisy of that but I should be able to participate fine for the next few hours unless my VPN acts up again.

He is in hammer range.  For me, he's 1 post from being flipped, I just don't choose to end the day yet and am super interested in the conversation we're still having.  Otherwise, we 'need' any 2 of EuchreJack, NJW, yourself (Sal), or juice himself to vote him into hammer.

Which I think is anti-town at this point, we have stuff to talk about and I don't want you claiming 'I would have posted more but there wasn't time, the day ended early'.

But Sal, look seriously at where Juice is right now.

If tomorrow starts a lot like now is, if there's not clear and useful info - there's a real chance you are tomorrow's Juice.  I don't care what you're packin' power wise.  You need a day game or you're gonna die.  You're helpin' hide the scum even if you don't mean to and I need to know much more about your day game before I dare let you close to the final sets of players if we don't manage to catch maf first - and far as I know, you're likely maf so flippin' you's a great idea.

What should you post, do, discuss?

Extensive. I seem to be considered a good player.

I do believe you can figure something out.

I don't have as much information as I would like, but my impression is that I don't think Jack's claimed action is possible. For one thing, I wasn't blocked, which I logically should have been. For another, he claims he acted on CrystalizedMire and juicebox, but I know one of these can't be true because I guessed it (pretty much randomly) and my guess was wrong.

This is interesting.

Will you please walk through the stated claims as you understand them so I and perhaps others (Am I the only 1 unsure/confused?) can see the evidence trail you state?

I get that the guess was wrong.  The other.  The logically you should have been blocked, how's that work, step by step based on the claims?

Still, whatevrr EJ's alignment, I wonder why Imp

Unfinished thought, NQT?
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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day Three
« Reply #529 on: January 27, 2025, 05:34:22 pm »

Salvatore Monday: Who would you put on a team with EJ?
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« Reply #530 on: January 27, 2025, 05:42:15 pm »

I don't have as much information as I would like, but my impression is that I don't think Jack's claimed action is possible. For one thing, I wasn't blocked, which I logically should have been. For another, he claims he acted on CrystalizedMire and juicebox, but I know one of these can't be true because I guessed it (pretty much randomly) and my guess was wrong.

This is interesting.

Will you please walk through the stated claims as you understand them so I and perhaps others (Am I the only 1 unsure/confused?) can see the evidence trail you state?

I get that the guess was wrong.  The other.  The logically you should have been blocked, how's that work, step by step based on the claims?

Still, whatevrr EJ's alignment, I wonder why Imp

Unfinished thought, NQT?
I used Punch on Crystalizedmire.

I also used Develop Property on juicebox.

@Tric: I used Develop Property on juicebox twice.  When I used Develop Property on the same location twice, it roleblocks everyone but me at that location.
Bad news, it might be my fault.
Good news, I think this means we can't be night killed.

Also: I got no night action results.  Like...I was told nothing.
According to EuchreJack, everyone at his location should have been blocked, and he claims that this explains why TricMagic was blocked. But I was at the same location and not blocked.

Salvatore Monday: Who would you put on a team with EJ?
I'm not sure. I could see him with Crystal. It's not beyond my imagining that he could be with juicebox, I guess. He could be with Imp easily. I could even see him with TricMagic if Tric isn't town. I don't think he could be with NJW or NQT or you. And of course I don't think he's scum with me  :P
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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day Three
« Reply #531 on: January 27, 2025, 06:00:08 pm »

Interesting. Could you post a full readlist? I don't think you have yet and I'd like to know where you're at.
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« Reply #532 on: January 27, 2025, 06:21:51 pm »

I don't have as much information as I would like, but my impression is that I don't think Jack's claimed action is possible. For one thing, I wasn't blocked, which I logically should have been. For another, he claims he acted on CrystalizedMire and juicebox, but I know one of these can't be true because I guessed it (pretty much randomly) and my guess was wrong.

This is interesting.

Will you please walk through the stated claims as you understand them so I and perhaps others (Am I the only 1 unsure/confused?) can see the evidence trail you state?

I get that the guess was wrong.  The other.  The logically you should have been blocked, how's that work, step by step based on the claims?

Still, whatevrr EJ's alignment, I wonder why Imp

Unfinished thought, NQT?
I used Punch on Crystalizedmire.

I also used Develop Property on juicebox.

@Tric: I used Develop Property on juicebox twice.  When I used Develop Property on the same location twice, it roleblocks everyone but me at that location.
Bad news, it might be my fault.
Good news, I think this means we can't be night killed.

Also: I got no night action results.  Like...I was told nothing.
According to EuchreJack, everyone at his location should have been blocked, and he claims that this explains why TricMagic was blocked. But I was at the same location and not blocked.

Okay.  What's the evidence about where CM is/was when...

I think I understand from

Global Campaign (Genre)
It's time to pull up a map. Where are we, and where are we going? The fog of war is thick, but your keen eyes pierce the veil.
Each player has a location. When a player uses a non-free Personal Ability to visit another player, they travel to where that player was at the start of the night. At the end of each night, including Night 0, you learn each player's location. On Night 0, send me a ranked list of every player in the game, along with your preferred location for them. I will compile the preferences of each player with this ability to determine the starting location of each player. Players closer to the top of your ranked list are more likely to be given your preferred location. The locations are North America, South America, Africa, Eurasia, and Oceania.

Everyone's somewhere.

You use a qualifying ability and you go to your target's location at the start of the night.

What's the evidence that Tricmagic started the night where you are?

What's the evidence where CM started the night where you are, and who is with CM/who all should have been blocked/what other inconsistencies do you see?

What else should be brought up about this?

I do literally want to see your answers instead of discuss myself.
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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day Three
« Reply #533 on: January 27, 2025, 06:27:08 pm »

Interesting. Could you post a full readlist? I don't think you have yet and I'd like to know where you're at.
As long as you don't expect me to make it colorful and nicely formatted.

Not counting myself, I have the most trust for Elephant Parade (you!) and notquitethere. NJW2000 is a close third. Some other players suspect him a lot, but from reading other games, I think this is exactly how he acts as town.
Toward juicebox I'm totally neutral. I think he could easily be scum flying under the radar, but he may just as well not bother to play as town, too. Probably his slot will have to be resolved one way or another eventually, and I wouldn't say it would be a bad idea to do it today.

Tric and Imp are hard to describe. Close to neutral, and for each of them I'm not sure whether to say above or below juicebox, or what order between them. Tric feels vaguely off somehow, and Imp, despite being at pains to appear townie and helpful, keeps shooting out in directions I don't really make sense out of. These would be the two I would be most eager to flip nonfatally, if it were possible to do it without the risk of killing a potentially important town player.

Finally, EuchreJack and Crystal I'm incessantly suspicious of. I haven't been able to shake it from the start. That's why I tried to get info on Jack last night, of course. Other than my observations about Jack's claim not lining up, though, this is at least 70% gut feel. I guess all my reads really are, though.
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« Reply #534 on: January 27, 2025, 06:29:18 pm »

Everyone's somewhere.

You use a qualifying ability and you go to your target's location at the start of the night.

What's the evidence that Tricmagic started the night where you are?

What's the evidence where CM started the night where you are, and who is with CM/who all should have been blocked/what other inconsistencies do you see?

What else should be brought up about this?

I do literally want to see your answers instead of discuss myself.
As for Tric, it's implicit, isn't it? If Tric was blocked for being in the same location as EuchreJack, and I was in the same location as EuchreJack, then I should also have been blocked for being in the same location as EuchreJack (and Tric was also necessarily in the same location as me).

I don't know what CM would have to do with it.
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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day Three
« Reply #535 on: January 27, 2025, 06:30:28 pm »

That's interesting info. I won't say it but I think I can guess what boardgame Hyper submitted.

I think there's a world where Euchrejack grabs the inspect for scum and either clears his buddy Imp, or perhaps more likely clears a town player to get her on side. Still, whatevrr EJ's alignment, I wonder why Imp

Euchrejack , can you point to a post on D1 where you showed a suspicion of Imp?
I picked Imp to inspect because I knew they would be around for the endgame. I suspected everyone Day 1, but I don't think I specifically expressed suspicion of Imp.

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« Reply #536 on: January 27, 2025, 06:33:46 pm »

@NQT:
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« Reply #537 on: January 27, 2025, 06:53:59 pm »

Everyone's somewhere.

You use a qualifying ability and you go to your target's location at the start of the night.

What's the evidence that Tricmagic started the night where you are?

What's the evidence where CM started the night where you are, and who is with CM/who all should have been blocked/what other inconsistencies do you see?

What else should be brought up about this?

I do literally want to see your answers instead of discuss myself.
As for Tric, it's implicit, isn't it? If Tric was blocked for being in the same location as EuchreJack, and I was in the same location as EuchreJack, then I should also have been blocked for being in the same location as EuchreJack (and Tric was also necessarily in the same location as me).

I don't know what CM would have to do with it.

Yep, CM is a typo.  And sorry, this is so hard to track (for me at least) even without any typos.  But why do you think you're in EJ's location at a point when you would be roleblocked for it?

You last said you acted (N1) on NQT. That would put you at the location NQT was at the start of N1, unless something weirder happens, like some player who can moves you or whatever.  And NQT also moved, to his target's start of N1 position, presuming he met the requirements to move.  So you can act on NQT but not be in the same location as NQT by the end of the night/start of the next night.

That's what Global Campaign means, right?  As I read the text.

N2 you acted on EJ, from NQT's start of N1 position, wherever that is.  So you move to EJ's start of N2 location, presuming everything's as expected, in addition to your action(s).

About Tric and EJ.  D2 Tric tells us that he targeted EJ N1.  So, Tric should be wherever Jack was start of N1.  Jack can have moved on though.

D2 Jack tells us he targeted Imp and Hyper/ Salvatore Monday... he changes that.  Imp and Juicebox.  Sheriff Office becomes a personal action, but it's free.  Apparently he used a genre action on me too, so he's either where he started N1 still or he's moved to Juice, and he asks.

Only Five Locations!?  Ew

Who shares a location with Juicebox?

And we were told:

Magma Mater: If someone used a multi-target nonfree Personal Ability on targets spread over multiple locations, where would they move?

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Each player has a location. When a player uses a non-free Personal Ability to visit another player, they travel to where that player was at the start of the night. At the end of each night, including Night 0, you learn each player's location. On Night 0, send me a ranked list of every player in the game, along with your preferred location for them. I will compile the preferences of each player with this ability to determine the starting location of each player. Players closer to the top of your ranked list are more likely to be given your preferred location. The locations are North America, South America, Africa, Eurasia, and Oceania.
Such an ability would say, "target x and choose y,z,α...". The player they chose as the target would be where they move.

So... Jack started N2 either in his previous N1 location (if he didn't use any qualifying abilities) or in Juice's N1 location, I think. Juice said he was RB N1, so he is theoretically in his original location wherever that was (and presuming someone who can move people didn't move him).

Sal, are you presuming a RB affecting Jack's location would affect you because you targeted Jack N2?  You're affected based on your N1 location if I understand right.  And that could overlap but maybe not.

What do you think?
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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day Three
« Reply #538 on: January 27, 2025, 06:54:38 pm »

I acted on EuchreJack. My role involves guessing certain things about where a player went and what he did there, and then I find out if I was right or wrong. It's not really something I would have chosen to play a game with, but then, I didn't.

I don't have as much information as I would like, but my impression is that I don't think Jack's claimed action is possible. For one thing, I wasn't blocked, which I logically should have been. For another, he claims he acted on CrystalizedMire and juicebox, but I know one of these can't be true because I guessed it (pretty much randomly) and my guess was wrong.

I think those of you who are town-rating EuchreJack are probably wrong.
Why did you withhold the information? What is the purpose of withholding this information
Euchrejack: Can you confirm that what Salvatore said was true?
Anyways, I placed a worker on Euchrejack last night which means that tonight I can place another worker on someone else and figure out if their alignments match or not.
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« Reply #539 on: January 27, 2025, 07:08:33 pm »

I acted on EuchreJack. My role involves guessing certain things about where a player went and what he did there, and then I find out if I was right or wrong. It's not really something I would have chosen to play a game with, but then, I didn't.

I don't have as much information as I would like, but my impression is that I don't think Jack's claimed action is possible. For one thing, I wasn't blocked, which I logically should have been. For another, he claims he acted on CrystalizedMire and juicebox, but I know one of these can't be true because I guessed it (pretty much randomly) and my guess was wrong.

I think those of you who are town-rating EuchreJack are probably wrong.
Why did you withhold the information? What is the purpose of withholding this information
Euchrejack: Can you confirm that what Salvatore said was true?
Anyways, I placed a worker on Euchrejack last night which means that tonight I can place another worker on someone else and figure out if their alignments match or not.
Interesting; in a two-alignment game this isn't an ability scum should have, and I've never seen CM fakeclaim anything nearly this elaborate. So this is definitely +town. There are enough possible explanations (coaching, scum receiving free safeclaims with full ability details) for my scumread to remain, though.
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