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[Elephant Parade]

Oh, since Monday appears to have left the building, I'll just say that my genre action was giving them Fruit. I did this because NQT picked them as the object of my quest and I couldn't think of anything better to do with the genre actions left. I hinted at this a couple of times, but was leaving the claim until they acknowledged receiving fruit in case something weird happened, like a redirect.

[TricMagic]

We family won't know what actions got used last night until the next, but if Jack is speaking truly we'll see then. If not I have Ice Cream.

[TricMagic]

... Not that I'm sure that's actually needed since apparently it's a location-based block.

[NJW2000]

Ok, reads. Ended up with less time today than I thought, so an unstructured mass of thoughts incoming.

Think Tric is town. Think EJ is town. I don't excuse the start of today, but they did it as town. EP definitely looks town, they're grinding hard and trying to put the game together.

It'd be so, so much easier to go into today scumreading Imp, and claim it was their fault for getting tunnelled on me when we both flip at game end. But no, this is what Imp does as town. Ironically, in many ways it's much more solipsistic than the way they play as mafia or third-party, but what can you do.

I don't know where SalvatoreMonday is, but I really hope they turn up today.

I'm trying to understand people's scumreads on CM... I realise I haven't thought about them much since they made themselves vote-immune D1 and I thought "lol that's in their town range". Not only a pretty weak tell, but also someone's townrange and scumrange can, you know, overlap. There's not a huge amount to go on post-wise, and a lot of it is mechanical. They do seem to have a mechanical agenda they're trying to further, but their scumreads are less clear. They seem to trust EP and Imp pretty fecklessly, and while broadly speaking my reads are in alignment, that level of confidence in another player should be very hard for town to have. Definitely More Thought needed here.

My opinion on NQT has changed quite a bit since D1. It's subtle, but their actions really don't seem to line up with their words, and NQT is someone who generally does what they say they're going to do. They say we need to have discipline and cohesion to achieve a hammer, but D1 they're actively pressuring people to spend their votes on the auction and lose their vote themselves. D2... we've discussed this, but they don't try to start a wagon on CM until the RightMomentTM (read possibly a tad too late for it to happen), despite apparently scumreading CM and wanting multiple wagons. Today, the thing with them putting role info into the thread, which they gave a sensible reply to me on, but I still don't think we needed to know Crystal was Eurogame right away. Unsure about this slot, but by POE it's not looking good.

Juicebox looks dubious as hell, and the only mitigating factor here is that if they were going to lie about their night results, surely they'd say almost anything else. I don't see Juice in a mafia executing any kind of structured plans or strategies with night claims of, respectively, "blocked" and "what NQT did". I'd be voting here if I had any idea how close to hammer we are, but I don't.

Replies and questions in either a second or a few hours, depending on when I'm done.

[NJW2000]

Juice... widely regarded as scummy... thinks you're playing great.  "They've constantly been pushing cases and trying to solve the game" says Juice about you.

What do you feel about that read?  Does that seem true to you?

You may disagree, but I think this is a plausible read for a town player to have, and thus a plausible read for a scum player to fake. Just like their read on EP - I can't soulread them, but I think EP looks very town, so I don't have a lot of interest in Juice's townread on EP. It's an easy read to have and to justify, so NAI.

If Juice is scum, could be trying to create associative links and trip people up after they flip, or could just be a thing they wrote down because people were asking them for reads. I don't

The statement itself feels true-ish, though I wouldn't say I've constantly been pushing cases... could have done it a bit more D1 and today. Consistently, perhaps. I have been trying to solve, though I've just accepted that there's a lot of mechanical stuff that I may never be given complete information about.


CrystalizedMire: from what I can tell from your claims, whatever resource you're willing to give to Imp can be used to act at night and at least in your case, kill people. Given you think I'm "probably town", and a certain green-checked Imp has been pretty unequivocal about the fact that of all the players in the game, she'd kill me if she had a kill... why are you confident that the result would benefit town rather than backfiring?

If there are mechanical reasons to believe that it would still be a good idea, literally just say "there are mechanical reasons to believe that it would still be a good idea" and nothing else, though. I don't want you to leak information, I want you to explain what looks like a bit of a contradiction.

[Crystalizedmire]

CM: Why are you weighing my opinion on NJW so heavily?

1. Im not weighing too heavily on your opinion. Your opinion just affirms the fact that I think NJW is town at the time.
2. I trust you enough to think youre town with good intentions.

Reads that Elephant Parade was waiting for! Sorry

Imp - Investigated as town so probably town.
Euchrejack - Probably town as well. Inspected Imp and seems generally like his metagame.
Elephant parade - I think is town. Pushes others to actually do stuff(or tries to) and being generally helpful
NJW - Elephant parade trusts them last time I checked and seems generallh helpful so probably town
NQT - Is telling the truth about my abilities and probably Imps as well. Im not entirely sure why or how so nullish town
Salvatore monday - I completely wasnt paying attention to the.
Juicebox - one of the possible reasons why there was no kill was because the killer was roleblocked and I truthfully wasnt paying attention to their posts most of the time but they had a very small pressence.

Note: I havent analysed the Fallacy wagon yet

If you weren't weighing it heavily then why is it one of two things you mention regarding NJW, and indeed the only external opinion mentioned in your entire readlist?

Because I was reminded of it while compiling the readlist.

CrystalizedMire: from what I can tell from your claims, whatever resource you're willing to give to Imp can be used to act at night and at least in your case, kill people. Given you think I'm "probably town", and a certain green-checked Imp has been pretty unequivocal about the fact that of all the players in the game, she'd kill me if she had a kill... why are you confident that the result would benefit town rather than backfiring?

If there are mechanical reasons to believe that it would still be a good idea, literally just say "there are mechanical reasons to believe that it would still be a good idea" and nothing else, though. I don't want you to leak information, I want you to explain what looks like a bit of a contradiction.

Kill only kills anti-town.

[Elephant Parade]

CM: Why are you weighing my opinion on NJW so heavily?

1. Im not weighing too heavily on your opinion. Your opinion just affirms the fact that I think NJW is town at the time.
2. I trust you enough to think youre town with good intentions.

Reads that Elephant Parade was waiting for! Sorry

Imp - Investigated as town so probably town.
Euchrejack - Probably town as well. Inspected Imp and seems generally like his metagame.
Elephant parade - I think is town. Pushes others to actually do stuff(or tries to) and being generally helpful
NJW - Elephant parade trusts them last time I checked and seems generallh helpful so probably town
NQT - Is telling the truth about my abilities and probably Imps as well. Im not entirely sure why or how so nullish town
Salvatore monday - I completely wasnt paying attention to the.
Juicebox - one of the possible reasons why there was no kill was because the killer was roleblocked and I truthfully wasnt paying attention to their posts most of the time but they had a very small pressence.

Note: I havent analysed the Fallacy wagon yet

If you weren't weighing it heavily then why is it one of two things you mention regarding NJW, and indeed the only external opinion mentioned in your entire readlist?

Because I was reminded of it while compiling the readlist.

Okay, I guess. My own reading was that you were reluctant to express a personal opinion on NJW, which could be because you're scum with him and don't want one on record if he flips. I'm not all that confident in that reading but this conversation has done little to shake it further.

[Elephant Parade]

That said, I'm going back to voting juicebox. Speaking of, please answer the question:

Tric: I'm never too sure about Tric, their behavior is so erratic that I'm never sure if I'm reading them correctly. Maybe I'll get a feel for them eventually but at the moment I don't know

Has anything changed your opinion on them lately?

[Imp]

Noting that Juice is L-2, which is hammer range for me at the moment.  We have loads of time left and haven't heard from Sal yet, NJW mentioned not really available yet despite some posts since, I'd be glad if he and others get more time.

Tric hasn't explained why he only considered a challenge between himself and either EP or NJW, as if nobody else is scummy.

There's other unfinished business too, so, I hope we don't hammer yet.

[Salvatore Monday]

Oh, since Monday appears to have left the building, I'll just say that my genre action was giving them Fruit. I did this because NQT picked them as the object of my quest and I couldn't think of anything better to do with the genre actions left. I hinted at this a couple of times, but was leaving the claim until they acknowledged receiving fruit in case something weird happened, like a redirect.

I'm happy to confirm this happened.

I have been having some trouble accessing the forum. Nothing severe, just that my connection is a bit intermittent.

I'm going to withhold my action for the moment. I think it is important information and I don't want to be too hasty with it.

Suffice to say that the players I trust least right now are EuchreJack and Crystal.

[Elephant Parade]

Why should I trust someone who has participated lightly and intermittently and refuses to reveal their night actions?

[TricMagic]

Noting that Juice is L-2, which is hammer range for me at the moment.  We have loads of time left and haven't heard from Sal yet, NJW mentioned not really available yet despite some posts since, I'd be glad if he and others get more time.

Tric hasn't explained why he only considered a challenge between himself and either EP or NJW, as if nobody else is scummy.

There's other unfinished business too, so, I hope we don't hammer yet.

So you want me to kill a random person I have no clear suspicions on?

[TricMagic]

I swear if Mafia ended up being the two people with the least posts I'll cry.

[EuchreJack]

@Salvatore Monday: What is your general experience with mafia games?

[Imp]

I swear if Mafia ended up being the two people with the least posts I'll cry.

Should we elim them?  Not sure.  Maybe.

I do know, I need them if they're town.  But, I can't win with them endgame, I need town that listens, cares, and thinks.  That's true of if I'm town or godfather.

Quiet folks, talk or probably die.  Accidentally because we can't tell you from maf, which is a crying shame if you're town.

Whoever my prince/princess is, hiding's great but we gotta catch maf too, and I can't preserve you if I don't know.  Not calling you to come out from hiding if that's what you're doing, I was shocked and scared that CM seemed to.  But I am ready to roll, that narrative sets the whole scene and calls the shots and tempo for me at least, fine.  But... don't get flipped because you're silent either.  And remember, hammers can happen fast as we get close to day end.