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[EuchreJack]

Congratulations to Imp for effectively using her vote blocker to keep conversation going while ensuring a lynch occurs.

As you can see, if Imp removes her vote blocker then votes Fallacy, then it is hammer.

[Imp]

Congratulations to Imp for effectively using her vote blocker to keep conversation going while ensuring a lynch occurs.

As you can see, if Imp removes her vote blocker then votes Fallacy, then it is hammer.

Thanks!  Yep, it's nice to have that in my hand.  Even if we had someone I really wanted dead, I'd be delaying the hammer. Day's about half over, we have loads of discussion still to do.  I can be overruled by 2 other people ready for day end to join that hammer; we could lose one+ of the votes on FoU before the hammer.  When day's almost over, if the votes still look like this I would take FoU out (others might instead, but then the votes don't look like this anymore).

To me that's all no rush, all info for us all to see.  And... it's fun to have a negative vote!  I hope more games include the mechanic sometimes.

I bet it was expected to be used more... typically?

I note that I was voted soon after discussing and displaying it; right after I put it on FoU another rushed to put an extra positive back.

It's a fun tug of war power play, and I think it's scary to people?  I don't think it has to be.  It's akin to an extra vote, but works a bit differently.  I'm wracking my brain trying to think of more new ways to use it!

Why in God's name would you Challenge someone?

...?

Main question is who do you think would win the challenge. Also when did you plan to tell us you were part of the Family?

@Tric: Elephant Parade revealed this the very second after I answered his question regarding my night actions. It was a fairly Townie thing to do. For the record, our current voting system is broken, so I favor your use of the Bugles. Just pick smart, ok?

Yeah.

I haven't heard anything about Bugles that makes me think we must elim one of the choices.  it just makes everyone but those two 'safe' as near as I understand.

Will no-elim still be an option?  Or does it force a 'highest voted will be elim, no elim is not an option, no votes on either means both elim' - or what?

I don't need to know today, we'll all see tomorrow, I presume.  But that's the kinda stuff I wonder about too!  And if it might end up leading the majority to attempt to force a no-elim - totally inverted if the bugle forces an elim of both if not one.

[EuchreJack]

@Imp: Bugles reduces the candidates for the Lynch to Tric and his target. Nobody else can be voted.

[EuchreJack]

From what I can tell, no-lynch would still be an option, but hopefully Tric will pick someone to thunderdome that would be a suitable lynch target. Trust in The Tric

[TricMagic]

Or this. Everyone give me a list of people you would like to see lynched. That aren't Elephant cause will trust Jack's word for now. Unvote

[Imp]

Or this. Everyone give me a list of people you would like to see lynched. That aren't Elephant cause will trust Jack's word for now. Unvote

Elims I want today, order of preference:

#1 NJW2000
#2 Juicebox

There's other elims I'd accept and some I'd fight, based on all I know now.  Fou's probably my 3rd 'yeah, this has a good chance to be maf'.  And if FoU is maf, the odds of Juice being maf seems even higher to me.

[Elephant Parade]

Or this. Everyone give me a list of people you would like to see lynched. That aren't Elephant cause will trust Jack's word for now. Unvote

I really don't want you to challenge but fine. VS >>>>>>>> NQT

[Magma Mater]

Vote Count - Day Two Afternoon

FallacyOfUrist (4) - notquitethere, EuchreJack, NJW2000, Imp, Elephant Parade, Salvatore Monday
NJW2000 (1) - Imp
CrystalizedMire (1) - juicebox
notquitethere (1) - VermilionSkies

Not Voting (3) - FallacyOfUrist, CrystalizedMire, TricMagic

With 11 votes in play, 6 are required to lynch or to no-lynch.

Day ends in about 29 hours, at 21:00:00 UTC on January 23.

[juicebox]

@Imp
 I'm not as suspicious of Elephant Parade as I was D1, I think they've been doing a reasonable job of trying to decipher what happened N1, and pushing cases.

[Elephant Parade]

@Imp
 I'm not as suspicious of Elephant Parade as I was D1, I think they've been doing a reasonable job of trying to decipher what happened N1, and pushing cases.

That's interesting because in my own mind I've been much more passive today. Could you explain in greater detail?

[NJW2000]

Or this. Everyone give me a list of people you would like to see lynched. That aren't Elephant cause will trust Jack's word for now. Unvote

FallacyofUrist if we don't elim them today - I still don't like their end of D1, and it's even worse that they're started to talk about their own meta tells.
Then:
Juicebox - I can't read them from five posts. If FoU flips scum, I'm at least 95% on Juicebox being scum, and you really should be too.
Vermillion Skies - they're better on activity, with eleven posts today, but it's all basically night game bookkeeping. Worryingly mechanical focus.

I guess if this happens tomorrow, we might have had enough time to look at Salvatore Monday, but wouldn't be as on board with that. Right now, CM, EJ, Imp, NQT and EP all look town. NQT and EP are probably very capable of misleading me about that, but as of right now I'd still be quite pissed off if you decided to challenge them.

I know you like sacrifice plays, but I'd point out that given most players have a hard townread on you this game, you using a challenge ability is less than ideal as we're only ever going to choose your target or no-elim. I guess that's preferable from your point of view, but I'd rather the options were two widely scumread people.

[Imp]

Huh.

I just realized there's a chance this object forces a challenge not between Tric and whomever Tric picks.

But between EP and whomever Tric picks.

If I had to choose between no elim or EP or any of CM, Verm, Imp, Tric, Jack - I support either no elim or EP.

If I got to choose between no elim or EP or either of Juice or NJW, I take the either of.  I'd definitely want an elim.

If I had to choose between no elim or EP or any of nqt, Sal, FoU - I would probably take the any over EP.  I'd definitely want an elim unless new info changes my mind.

I find it interesting that EP presented it to us as if whatever's done 'buff's EP'.

And I guess that the bugle allows whomever was offered challenge as a... way to retaliate?  If it's EP-focused, that's why I suspect we choose between EP and other, not Tric and other.

To the person who got the thing: Please take the option that lets me gain the predetermined unlimited-shot ability, not the 3-shot version of one of several abilities (all of them are IMO worse than the unlimited-shot ability) or the extra vote. Also, please make your choice late enough in the day that the condition won't turn out to be impossible to meet.

I tracked EJ and did an action on another person that basically lets them pick which buff I'll get. I'd quote but I'm PFP. Look through my post history.

So, I suspect the bugle's a challenge 'buff' on EP and someone else.  Or has to be between Tric and EP, which makes the conversation... interesting.

If I had to elim between Tric and EP.  I would wonder why all the better elim options were being taken away from me.  Why oh why oh why.

But I wouldn't fret too terribly.  We have a lot of town left.

I explicitly, though privately, asked Mater if there were conversions; faction cannot be converted in this game.

The one flip we see suggests that our roles may grow exponentially in power over time... even if town.  Probably even if maf.  I'd like an elim today and tomorrow, but I don't want a town elim and... maybe there's some hope as time passes.

I wouldn't bet town on that but I'm sure Tric's taking everything Tric knows into consideration.

[Elephant Parade]

Bugles (the food, not the instrument) is a Family genre action that, besides being in my genre and usable by me, has nothing to do with me or my role. It works like the Gladiator's action, except it's a night action that takes effect the following day.

[NJW2000]

NQT: What's your plan for the rest of today? You've been very active, but I don't quite think your activity lines up with what you've said you want. There's something odd here.

Very good. So Vermillion, while you're here, what's the pool of people you think we should be eliminating from today? We ideally need to form two competing wagons so that one can end up the hammer.

Ok, that's a fairly common scumhunting philosophy.

CrystalizedMire: has done nothing other than put forward the auction. Didn't vote all day and then grabbed an auction item to prevent themselves getting eliminated.

Scum

Looks like Crystal is your top scumpick, even over FoU. I don't agree, but fine so far. Here's the bit I can't get my head around:

Vote Count - Day Two Afternoon

FallacyOfUrist (4) - notquitethere, EuchreJack, NJW2000, Imp, Elephant Parade, Salvatore Monday
NJW2000 (1) - Imp
CrystalizedMire (1) - juicebox
notquitethere (1) - VermilionSkies

Not Voting (3) - FallacyOfUrist, CrystalizedMire, TricMagic

5 red votes and Imp's willingness to vote FoU at some point, so that's one solid wagon. Looks like Juicebox is voting CrystallizedMire, your top scumpick, and has been for the last four pages.
You want a second wagon, and you want Crystal eliminated. But you're not voting Crystal, even though that would make them the second most popular elim.

Do you actually want two wagons?

[Imp]

eye roll and fury

Cool.

We have someone claims they can kill a maf D5 at soonest.

We went their auction route.

They self targeted last night (ooh, now that's something we fear scum doing, right?  sneers)

I believe maf wants CM dead badly.

Please don't wagon CM.  I this that is profoundly antitown.