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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day Two
« Reply #315 on: January 21, 2025, 06:54:45 pm »

Very good. So Vermillion, while you're here, what's the pool of people you think we should be eliminating from today? We ideally need to form two competing wagons so that one can end up the hammer.
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« Reply #316 on: January 21, 2025, 07:14:03 pm »

People I'd like dead?
Hyper, Juice, and CM are all on my shortlist of 'people who I want gone.'
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« Reply #317 on: January 21, 2025, 07:22:18 pm »

There's a surprising amount of agreement among players, I'm quietly confident we'll get our hammer today. Most players who have expressed a preference want some combo of Fallacy, Crystal, or Fallacy gone. You're pro-Fallacy, Imp is pro-Crystal, Elephant Parade is pro-Juice, but in general there's a lot of overlap.
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« Reply #318 on: January 21, 2025, 07:24:23 pm »

With Imp greenchecked I am considerably more willing to lynch juice. I should probably try to get more of an impression of them.
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« Reply #319 on: January 21, 2025, 08:49:39 pm »

CrystalizedMire: Could you post a readlist?
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« Reply #320 on: January 21, 2025, 09:49:38 pm »

People I'd like dead?
Hyper, Juice, and CM are all on my shortlist of 'people who I want gone.'

Huh,

Verm, why CM?  I tried to check out what you said about/to CrystalizedMire this game before now and came up empty.

Also, in case you just forgot, you're still voting NQT.  You might have reason, dunno.

Imp
Cool, so you have 'worsts'.  Neat.
I'm sure you must have seen my ranked reads list given the close attention you've been paying to the game so this comes across as uncharitable and snippy because I had the gall, the absolute cheek, the gosh darned impudence to suspect her Imperial majesty in a game where every good player casts their suspicions on every other player.

NQT, Don't think that's it.  It's more... your reasoning. What you claim to notice and think.  Doesn't seem... like your normal level (that could be natural variation) or really to point very townie, though you're recently working to organize towards a 2-choice wagon and being quite reasonable.

You usually come in with perhaps very few but very sharp observation posts that I agree with.  I'm surprised to hear you making pointed accusations that are not backable up.  Not so worried that I challenged you on one towards me (though your dropping a NJW quote 'as mine' in that list of 'Esk said this' that you don't even want me to consider to carefully is... not gonna fly) as that it doesn't feel like you and scum need to be off except for where they choose to be on.

But I'd be as 'hrm' towards you if you had weird reads on some other folks.  And you do to the extent you went, so I am hrm.

Juice, can you walk me through why 'self targeting' is sus to you?  Are we thinking a mafkill that ... :"Target self and other target to steal their item and kill them" or... what do you imagine is sus about a self-target?  Also, consider the flip we all can see - game opening post.  Looks reasonably enough like my own flip for me to consider it 'this is probably like stuff in play' - just in case your role's like really different, it could be for all I know - but I think Mater's town flip is reasonably a flip.  Should that role reasonably self target N1 to help town?  If not - why not?

CM targeting themselves is also a bit suspicious to me, with that plus their focus on the auction, it really seems like they're playing for themselves instead of playing to help town.

Also, how has your Elephant read evolved?  You seem to have very different priorities and interests D2, why?

Elephant Parade I'm also scumleaning as well. I don't like that they're tunneling Imp, who is my main town read, and I also don't like how they have been pushing people to participate in the auction but haven't really committed to it themselves. It definitely could be a ploy to get town to use up their votes and get more voting power for the scumteam

CM are you more or less suspicious of anyone now that everyone's claimed their night results?
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« Reply #321 on: January 21, 2025, 10:45:42 pm »

Imp, can you explain to me why you're convinced NJW2000 is lying?

I thought I voted before, but I guess I didn't. My vote's on the Fallacy pile.
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« Reply #322 on: January 21, 2025, 10:53:11 pm »

Imp, can you explain to me why you're convinced NJW2000 is lying?

I thought I voted before, but I guess I didn't. My vote's on the Fallacy pile.

This is all I feel is townie to say about it at this time.

My trap card?  Seriously?  Well, great.

Imp
Hi, scared scum!

I still flip town.  And the rest of town can solve without me.

You may not want me flipped.  Ever.

You may really not want me flipped early.

If you're town, what a freaking shame.  But town can solve this even if they lose you too.  And I do not think you are town.

I hope the reveal of my flip finishes burning you guys and cements town without needing further town flips.

I think Scum NJW with all the scum know between them and all said in thread

Claim: I share a genre with two other players. The players with this genre know who has it.

Once there are only two living players with this ability, they each learn the other's faction.

Yesterday, I asked in a rather veiled way if people wanted to talk about it, and they apparently did not. I don't want to reveal further details. You can ask questions if you're confused, but more information is unlikely today.

And put together the best lie he could.  Nice, admirable.  Good guesses.  I claim and swear upon being a player nothing in my role or knowledge tells me this could be in play.

If 1+ of the supposed others choose to reveal, that's interesting.  I wouldn't mind town having that info, and it's easy to set up with maf especially because we know 2+ genre are possible.  So a maf who already claimed a genre could also claim this other one, plausible.

Folks:

I think this is our current votecount, and all names are in the colors of my reads:  townlean, whatisit, scumlean, my negative vote.

(4)FoU: NQT, Jack, NJW, Elephant, Salvatore Monday, -Imp,
(1)EPTric
(1)NJW: Imp
(1)CM: Juice
(1)NQT: VermilionSkies

Not voting
FallacyOfUrist, CrystalizedMire

Reminder, it's 6 to hammer, so L-2 for FoU and I'm not ready for the day to end, dunno about the rest of you.  When I drop my blue vote that 'counts' like an additional vote.  I won't be bringing an early hammer, but hope we're aware how close we are.


Why do you think Fallacy is scum, Sal?

Got any other reads and reasons?  I asked once already.
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« Reply #323 on: January 21, 2025, 11:13:37 pm »

Why do you think Fallacy is scum, Sal?

Got any other reads and reasons?  I asked once already.
It's a little hard to explain. I see him fixating on a lot of things that aren't about who is or isn't scum or town. It feels like he's trying to find excuses not to play mafia.
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« Reply #324 on: January 21, 2025, 11:19:24 pm »

NQT: Who did you suspect going into D2?
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« Reply #325 on: January 21, 2025, 11:28:53 pm »

Far as I know, only Verm and FoU have claimed Genre Global Campaign, which both make identical claims about so far, like knowing where people are.  I talk about locations sometimes, but I'm not Global Campaign.

If FoU is maf and Verm is not, elim FoU will cut maf off from whatever info gained by that.  This might be a great idea; the only reason why I hesitate is my nagging concern that perhaps 'not all mafia roles are of close to equal value or danger this game' - and also a tiny hint of mech that suggests that the death of maf may power other maf up... maybe particularly a maf Haunted House role, but I'm guessing there.

If Verm is maf (or also maf) that gets maybe more awkward (especially if FoU is town); I do think he's quite likely to be town though but they both keep each other honest (presuming as I also lean that FoU is maf) while also ensuring all location info bleeds into maf+whatever they can put with it.  And it's FoU helpfully answering most of my location questions that get answered, at least D2.

I'm not going to save FoU from the elim - unless I can get a NJW elim or a juice elim, I prefer either of those to over FoU.

I am very anti-early-hammer.  But near end of day, I'll help, though I'd rather help a hammer I think is gonna take more likely dangerous maf and not the maf that the mafia picked to go down to unlock the rest who need that and to make many of them look better.
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« Reply #326 on: January 21, 2025, 11:33:39 pm »

Far as I know, only Verm and FoU have claimed Genre Global Campaign, which both make identical claims about so far, like knowing where people are.  I talk about locations sometimes, but I'm not Global Campaign.

If FoU is maf and Verm is not, elim FoU will cut maf off from whatever info gained by that.  This might be a great idea; the only reason why I hesitate is my nagging concern that perhaps 'not all mafia roles are of close to equal value or danger this game' - and also a tiny hint of mech that suggests that the death of maf may power other maf up... maybe particularly a maf Haunted House role, but I'm guessing there.

If Verm is maf (or also maf) that gets maybe more awkward (especially if FoU is town); I do think he's quite likely to be town though but they both keep each other honest (presuming as I also lean that FoU is maf) while also ensuring all location info bleeds into maf+whatever they can put with it.  And it's FoU helpfully answering most of my location questions that get answered, at least D2.
I think this is an interesting point with regard to the flow of information. Do you think it would benefit town to have all locations public, since the mafia seem to know them?
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« Reply #327 on: January 22, 2025, 12:01:14 am »

Far as I know, only Verm and FoU have claimed Genre Global Campaign, which both make identical claims about so far, like knowing where people are.  I talk about locations sometimes, but I'm not Global Campaign.

If FoU is maf and Verm is not, elim FoU will cut maf off from whatever info gained by that.  This might be a great idea; the only reason why I hesitate is my nagging concern that perhaps 'not all mafia roles are of close to equal value or danger this game' - and also a tiny hint of mech that suggests that the death of maf may power other maf up... maybe particularly a maf Haunted House role, but I'm guessing there.

If Verm is maf (or also maf) that gets maybe more awkward (especially if FoU is town); I do think he's quite likely to be town though but they both keep each other honest (presuming as I also lean that FoU is maf) while also ensuring all location info bleeds into maf+whatever they can put with it.  And it's FoU helpfully answering most of my location questions that get answered, at least D2.
I think this is an interesting point with regard to the flow of information. Do you think it would benefit town to have all locations public, since the mafia seem to know them?

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Uhh.  Yeah.  So ... I have one reason why FoU is on my maf pile.  It's a biggy.  I think the maf have NJW as a haunted house, OR they have info that haunted house is a town role (or two roles) that they had better hunt.

FoU's made two fishy posts about who haunted house might be.

I don't think FoU makes the best decisions even when town.  But the odds that FoU involved in that mess are pretty serious to me, and that's why Fou went from my weak-townlean (currently my whatisit pile) to maflean.

If FoU flips town I'm going to nod and regret.  FoU is a very hard read when town, has rarely been town, and often doesn't get time to learn much as a living town.  Many previous games, 'just flip FoU, scum yay'.  Now FoU seems to get more frequent town games, but still gets flipped early a lot.

I won't be surprised if FoU flips maf, and I'm glad for Maf deaths, and I'm sure we're balanced for the death of maf in 'random order' (oh, wait, we're expressly told random is likely to be pro-maf - but there's probably balancing mech somewhere) even if this powers up some or all of the remaining maf in unfortunate ways.

I note that Verm does not have FoU on his preferred kill list.  FoU said this about Verm:

VermSky initially gained some of my trust with his talk about the Location system - see, I'm also Global Campaign, so I understood what exactly is special about Tric.

And really nothing about Verm since.

Flips are what they are at 'time of death', and we see the mod flip, nothing redacted or hidden.

Unless there's some kind of cleaner, I think if we flip either of them everyone gets to see their full role, including whatever info they have (I'd guess maf-notes may not be in the role that flips though).

So, I don't know how much it matters to tell everyone;  if neither of them is maf then maf doesn't get their info except what's said.  We can hope they so-far told us what was towny to tell (should work unless they're both maf) so if they didn't share something, it's pro-town to not share it.

If they're both town, flipping one may compromise the other, revealing info to maf that helps extra much to know the other townie - this is likely worse if they're also both the same board game.  We can hope that their roles are not fully identical in all details even if they're the same board game.

But if one is maf, this already happened, so no further damage.

All considered... nah.

I trust them, especially paired, to play to their wincons.

There's still the chance neither is maf and neither flips today.

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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day Two
« Reply #328 on: January 22, 2025, 01:30:19 am »

Why in God's name would you Challenge someone?
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Main question is who do you think would win the challenge. Also when did you plan to tell us you were part of the Family?
@Tric: Elephant Parade revealed this the very second after I answered his question regarding my night actions. It was a fairly Townie thing to do. For the record, our current voting system is broken, so I favor your use of the Bugles. Just pick smart, ok?

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« Reply #329 on: January 22, 2025, 01:34:40 am »

@Elephant: I think my best move is to Punch. I will leave you to decide your own actions.
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