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[TricMagic]

To be fair easier to think Elephant was scum and hope for a vote change. Even Elephant could have self-hammered to remove this doubt that will plague the entirety of day 2. Whoever got that option from them do not use it. Yesterday should have ended in an Elephant Lynch.

... Someone was saying that completing the auction would be bad cause it gives someone a power. Was it Elephant?

[VermilionSkies]

Okay!
Tric protected EJ, right?
The people who could've targeted EJ last night (assuming no Location manipulation) aaaare:
CM
EP
Hyper/Salvadore
NQT

Last night, I set up some stuff for myself that'll let me do doctoring easier.

The person who benefitted from the auction being used was CM.

[TricMagic]

A quick check back using the search function for the word "auction" reveals NJW as the one who was pushing that narrative. At least in recent messages. Elephant just thinks there is Scum in the auction list. Which is Tric/NQT/Fal/Imp/Jack?

Why even hide the name of the person you targeted last night Elephant?

... Notably NJW was the last person left with a vote. Saying scum is inside the auction house just doesn't make any sense. Removing your ability to sway the end of day vote is deadly since you lose any ability to swing things.

[Elephant Parade]

To be fair easier to think Elephant was scum and hope for a vote change. Even Elephant could have self-hammered to remove this doubt that will plague the entirety of day 2. Whoever got that option from them do not use it. Yesterday should have ended in an Elephant Lynch.

... Someone was saying that completing the auction would be bad cause it gives someone a power. Was it Elephant?

"You should self-hammer as town if people suspect you" is an interesting bit of Mafia theory. I can't say I agree.

Imp was worried about the auction powering someone up, but that was before CM claimed.

A quick check back using the search function for the word "auction" reveals NJW as the one who was pushing that narrative. At least in recent messages. Elephant just thinks there is Scum in the auction list. Which is Tric/NQT/Fal/Imp/Jack?

Why even hide the name of the person you targeted last night Elephant?

... Notably NJW was the last person left with a vote. Saying scum is inside the auction house just doesn't make any sense. Removing your ability to sway the end of day vote is deadly since you lose any ability to swing things.

I don't really see a point in revealing it right now. They can if they want.

I said scum was inside the auction house because... two of my three scumreads and the next most scummy player were inside the auction house. What?

[FallacyofUrist]

Okay!
Tric protected EJ, right?

Interesting hypothetical, but Tric's location appears to be a fucky-wucky unknown value instead of an actual place.

So do you have proof of this?

[notquitethere]

Is everyone in a location or just me? Anyone want to give me compelling reason to claim where?

What I'll say for now, is it makes me think someone really did submit Risk.

[VermilionSkies]

FoU: Other than the fact that's what Tric claimed they did last night, no. Nobody has any proof of what Tric did, they had Darkroom.

NQT: Everybody is in a Location, me and FoU can see all of it.

[FallacyofUrist]

Yeah, everyone is in a Location. Except maybe Tric.

Actually, would Darkroom hide your location?

I think it would. (But we should probably ask our moderator, to be sure.)

However, since the ability self-locks...

Correct me if I'm wrong, Verm, but we can semi-confirm Tric's action target if anyone at all chooses to visit him this Night, yes?

[notquitethere]

Imp

Interesting. I prevented Vermillion targeting EuchreJack, but I don’t find out if they actually tried to target EJ.

I have no new info about anyone's alignment, he's just Verm and I have a protective vote I want to display and think he's likely town, so yay.

Uh... you do see how this looks, right Imp?

1. There's no kill.
2. Euchrejack would have been the obvious target if town
3. NJW claims to have prevented Vermillion from targeting EJ
4. You immediately move to insulate Vermillion from votes.

It's a funny sequence. Funny haha, or funny peculiar? I'm not sure yet.

Either way, you've been constantly rolefishing. Maybe for an infovore like yourself that's more NAI, but it does give me pause. My vote is on you until I've read back.


Crystal, are you pleased with the outcome of D1? Is that it for auctions?


Vermillion

The people who could've targeted EJ last night (assuming no Location manipulation) aaaare:
CM
EP
Hyper/Salvadore
NQT

I can confirm one part of this. I targeted EJ. If EJ had died last night, it might still have helped town a little because of my power.

[TricMagic]

Of note the Family genre will only update the shared shots at the end of the night. So the closest you're know is the next day.

I claimed my action at day start. Did you really think I wouldn't protect the cop?

[VermilionSkies]

FoU: Technically, we could, but then we'd have to trust the person claiming to target Tric.

Juicebox, what did you do last night? There are two answers that I'd accept.

The three people mentioned in my list before who aren't NQT, where did you all go?

[Imp]

Imp

Interesting. I prevented Vermillion targeting EuchreJack, but I don’t find out if they actually tried to target EJ.

I have no new info about anyone's alignment, he's just Verm and I have a protective vote I want to display and think he's likely town, so yay.

Uh... you do see how this looks, right Imp?

1. There's no kill.
2. Euchrejack would have been the obvious target if town
3. NJW claims to have prevented Vermillion from targeting EJ
4. You immediately move to insulate Vermillion from votes.

It's a funny sequence. Funny haha, or funny peculiar? I'm not sure yet.

Either way, you've been constantly rolefishing. Maybe for an infovore like yourself that's more NAI, but it does give me pause. My vote is on you until I've read back.


Crystal, are you pleased with the outcome of D1? Is that it for auctions?


Vermillion

The people who could've targeted EJ last night (assuming no Location manipulation) aaaare:
CM
EP
Hyper/Salvadore
NQT

I can confirm one part of this. I targeted EJ. If EJ had died last night, it might still have helped town a little because of my power.

I'm interested in how you progress with your thinking and decisions, thanks for sharing this far!

About my blue vote:  notquitethere

Mater, when convenient would you please show a votecount?

If anyone wants to throw a regular vote or two on NQT just for a better display, that's cool.  He just said:

4. You immediately move to insulate Vermillion from votes.

I would like us to see how my blue vote 'insulates' a player from votes.

I can vote him myself with my red, but would that confuse anyone?  Maybe better if a couple other people's reds demo this.

N1 did nothing to change my reads, in terms of private info I got.

I left D1 with a strong townread on Verm.  I begin D2 with a strong townread on Verm.  And I've got this nifty, very visible blue vote.  I choose to show us how it works and explain it.

I'm interested in your eval that I look scum for openly and directly sharing information that changes nothing.

When I placed that blue vote, nobody had any votes.

I'm restating my read from D1; if you think it's scummy I sure hope you explain why the new info we/you have makes it clear that protecting Verm when he's not even 'in danger' and at the very start of D2 looks specifically maf.

Would I do it as maf?  Sure.  We just saw me play a town-as-heck game when maf.

So, I don't understand how this looks to you.

Puttin' on my maf hat, it's still warm from last game.

Me maf:  I'm pretty tempted to kill NQT N1, unless he is maf with me.

You took the one thing that makes you immune to protects for N1.  Maybe I'm scared that someone's watching you, gonna jail or commute you (last game I got a lesson on how that works to protect those who are frail/immune to protection).

Dude.

If I'm being careful and worried about maybe being tracked to you, so I don't touch you the best night to kill you?

I don't touch Jack that night either.

Also... imp maf strut - Sofar when I've been maf - I haven't had a kill stopped yet.  I'm sure that'll change.  But if I could kill N1 and wanted to - It would have been the first time any kill I pick as maf was stopped.  And my first successful team maf game was against mech where the town dead got to see practically everything and could protect anyone they wanted from my kill.  I killed 7 nights in a row without being stopped once.  When I was a dead town in that setup... I stopped the kill 3x and chose not to stop it 1x (the townie was harming town and it was a choice between 4 left and 3 left with 1 scum alive; that townie needed to die).

You just saw me be maf.  Now you get to see me gloat about being maf - think maf me can pull that one off?    I mean to get there, I don't think I'm there yet.

Use your vote how you please.  So far, I don't mind how you use it at all.  ... I'd mind being elim, I really like being alive this game.  But to this point, nice, well done.

Either way, you've been constantly rolefishing.

Ouch.

Why are you the first to challenge me on this?

NQT.  Serious.  I want a list from you pulling quotes of me that are rolefishing from this game.

I won't demand you prove the constantly, I think that's clearly garbage.

List them all, what you see, or stop at 15, is my 'request'.  How do you respond?  Now that... I am all in infovore on.

[Magma Mater]

I can confirm that blue votes count as negative.

[Elephant Parade]

FoU: You noticing a lack of interaction between me and NJW yesterday was pretty fair; I don't have an especially satisfying explanation for it on my end. I've poked him a few times, bit not much more. He's an active player I townread, which is the quadrant of player I'm least interested in pursuing.

[notquitethere]

NQT.  Serious.  I want a list from you pulling quotes of me that are rolefishing from this game.

I won't demand you prove the constantly, I think that's clearly garbage.

This post was what I thought of first, Imp:

I know I seem pretty knowledgble for a townie.  I'm Imp and got the mind I got, and I already know 2/12 roles plus all the claims made so far.  Remember me in CYOS 1; remember me in BYOAlignment.  I put the stuff together and may not need much - that does not mean I'm overinformed scum.

But then the rest of the game you've had a consistent desire for more information from town alongside a repeated conscious effort to try to pre-emptively assuage the concerns of anyone who thinks you're fishing. Like, when you come out with stuff like this:

I am not fishing.

It feels like this classic tweet:



Here's a whole load of posts that give me this feeling. Not individually, but overall, as a gestalt holistic impression:

Spoiler: Imp's Recurring Thoughts (click to show/hide)

I know I seem pretty knowledgble for a townie.  I'm Imp and got the mind I got, and I already know 2/12 roles plus all the claims made so far.  Remember me in CYOS 1; remember me in BYOAlignment.  I put the stuff together and may not need much - that does not mean I'm overinformed scum.

One thing I know nearly nothing about is actual locations.  I have a role that does something in connection to them, but I don't actually know what they are/are not and I don't know much else about them either.

Like... I dunno if 'the corner bakery' is a location, if 'Boardwalk' is a location, if 'Rainforest' is a location, if 'Sweden' is a location or if 'Africa' is a location or if 'Starlight Station' is a location... 'Heaven', 'Dormitory', 'Bottom Left Corner', 'e4' or what are or are not location names... and purposes or anything else about them.  I also don't know if different people have their own sets of locations that apply to them but not others, and I don't know how the mech all ties together or the maze it forms.

If you think it's probably townie to discuss knowledge you have about locations, I and everyone else are listening, and I and maybe everyone/anyone else can perhaps do something with some of that knowledge.  Be thoughtful?  But we know mafia are likely well informed so the odds of that info hurting town more then helping... consider and decide what you share if anything about any kind of specifics.  Remember it's Imp and the mind of Imp who can put stuff together asking too, so you may not have to be really detailed?  But I will miss stuff like cyphers/weave it into the letters of other words you type.  I just don't see that kinda stuff.  Weird confusing things said... maybe I can catch that kinda info easier.

I also choose to point out that most players have made some claim about mech knowledge for us.

Imp, Hyper, Tric, FoU, Jack, Crystal, and Verm have all made 1+ specific statements about their own mech or game mech - leaving only NJW, NQT, EP, and Juice as having made no claims I see about specific mech.

The genres do seem potentially quite powerful, and I'm still trying to work out all the implications of claiming mine... I don't see any visible downside at the moment, and there's a lot of upside if it works out well. There's a potential for scum WIFOM, but otherwise I think it's a pretty ok idea to claim at the end of the day or earlier.

To my thinking... players should claim what they think helps their wincon.

I am not fishing.

Otherwise, I'm an info sponge.  Talk folks about whatever's townie!

Well, I sure hope you're town, and hope the mech you describe matches useful town stuff.

I don't want to dig too deep into towny secrets.  I know just enough to predict plausibly could be.  But... if your core is kill a maf D5 or later and... auction's the pure focus?  Help?  I guess you got more in your stocking but... help?

Thing is I don't have any mech telling me why this stuff is special, but it jingles and jangles at my mind

Hope we're getting useful info for solving, townies.  Dark Nights Ahead may be likely.  Scum are probably well-equipped to handle the night despite the pretty and interesting and protective-looking doo-dads we day-dwellers may have.

I'm more trying to help everyone have the info they need to make the right choices, maybe without adding too much to what might be harmful choices, and my knowledge there is as vague as the locations list may be long - I don't know.

Thing is I don't have any mech telling me why this stuff is special, but it jingles and jangles at my mind

DON'T start writing a line by line rebuttal to the quote list. It's a waste of everyone's time. Accept that this is the impression you have made on me so far. Like I said, this might be NAI. I get it, I also like to figure out the mechanical game. Now that I've survived to Day 2, I'll start making spreadsheets and everything. But still, this recurring desire for more information combined with an anxiety about being accused of asking or knowing too much... it's ringing a little alarm for me.

I would like us to see how my blue vote 'insulates' a player from votes.

It means it takes a whole extra vote to eliminate Vermillion. It's a layer of insulation. It's a debuff for everyone else. A malus. It's giving him some armour. It's some protection. Come on, you know what I'm saying here.