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[Imp]

Oh, I didn't notice Imp taking dormitory. That is... unexpected. Extremely out of character.

Unless scum have taken at least one power from the auction, or magma designed a game 2 scum and 9 town, it is now impossible to hit scum today unless they want us to. Even if there are only two scum votes, it'll take every town player voting correctly to achieve an elim. This is why I wanted to avoid a mad scramble for roles. Seeing as we screwed up this badly, someone should take Sheriff to make it a bit more worthwhile.


I think I like FoU a lot better now they're posting reads and engaging more organically. As scum they tend to post a lot about things that have happened in the thread without actually giving reads. I was worried that was happening, but it isn't.

Unvote.

I was going to be annoyed at CM because they took smithy when I wasn't sure about their alignment, but CM would totally just take smithy as town, so that's NAI. Still wondering if this is part of an evil auctioneer master plan though, and do still want them to answer my question.

I am allowed to chew through my post count cause I saved it up to end of day. NJW why would it be bad for us if we don't leave the Auction alone?

And then you go tell Jack publicly to make themselves unlynchable for some reason. What's your game? Is it Mafia-Ally?

Because if people buy enough items to get to sheriff in one day, the elimination will be decided by a small minority of players. Or it becomes impossible to elim scum. Probably has already happened. I really hope you can stop thinking about roles long enough to see why that puts us at a disadvantage.

As for Jack, I'm townreading him and would have liked to see him take smithy so scum couldn't take it.


Even if it's impossible to elim mafia, it is worth trying to see who is willing to vote who. So not giving up yet.

Juicebox seems a bit less distant, though I'm still interested in the elim. I can't read Hyper still, though they're actually playing now.

But good lord do I need to see an explanation for something. Usually there's a lot of words behind anything Imp does, but this time...

This is bugging me so much.

But it feels right.  Here's to hats and gyms and recognizing wonder and the unknown when it passes near:  Dormitory

Imp, what on earth happened here? Did I miss you talking about this, or is it literally just to help CM?

Hi, scared scum!

I still flip town.  And the rest of town can solve without me.

You may not want me flipped.  Ever.

You may really not want me flipped early.

If you're town, what a freaking shame.  But town can solve this even if they lose you too.  And I do not think you are town.

I explained my reasoning.  Walked through the game.

Need me to list the posts for you where it was discussed?

Oh, I can.  But can you read?

Clicking on my name, bringing up my recent posts, highlighting 'dorm' on control f.  My whole "Imp taking dormitory. That is... unexpected. Extremely out of character."

It's been discussed repeatedly as I walked up to the decision.

If you're pfp or something.  I'll walk back the snideness.  But I don't think you missed my train of thought and discussions about it.

I think you're just attempting to justify why you and others will hammer me today.

I hope the reveal of my flip finishes burning you guys and cements town without needing further town flips.

[TricMagic]

If they're free then it's not really a problem for Hyper or Fal to take it.
The fact the ability becomes locked the next day is why I said becoming miller for a day. Since I typically claim Miller if I'm Miller, which is Null.

Among current voters, really feel like Elephant/NJW are the lynch for today. Though it would take everyone else to actually lynch them it is still possible to do so. Mafia really don't want to lose their vote since it removes their ability to sway the vote last second.

Ninja:Imp
Also, lynching the guy who used their vote to buy a bed for the night is extremely off.

[Elephant Parade]

Huh. I guess the question now is who takes sheriff…

I’m still not sure if I think it’s worth a vote. I guess Imp taking it would probably make my life easier, but it wouldn’t lead to hitting scum. Then again, I don’t particularly trust the power will work anyway… so possibly no great loss?

Imp took dorm, and mod says nobody has a double vote yet, the vote count would show it.

So.  I can't take it.

I am already betting town, or a large part of it, on the auction being townie.  It was not a blind bet; I know something that helped me think it is more likely to be townie.  So I sure hope that someone takes the sheriff office before end of day because the claim is that must be done to unlock the mech of the auction.

Sure, I'd prefer someone town to take it.  That could be you; I could be wrong about my read of you.  I'd like to be wrong about my read of you.  I freaking like you a lot this game.  It would be so awesome to like you that much and you're even town.

Everyone is going to figure everyone out by their play and posts and whatever mess of mech and other info we get.

I still care who takes Sheriff.... but I've accepted it's just more info.

If you take it and live to report on however you use it (and it's free, so it makes sense for a report on how it was used, even if someone has no interest in using it) that's more info.

Heck, at this moment I wanna say I want Elephant Parade to take it.  I don't think Elephant's reasoning is usefully town and everyone he wants to vote for I either know is town, strongly townlean, or weakly townlean, with the exception of Juicebox... who he said he'd vote even in preference for me back

juicebox, Hyper: Neither of you have posted enough for me to get any kind of read on you, which means I'd be perfectly willing to execute either one of you today. Please fix this!

Look at these freaking reads.

IS OKAY WITH PEOPLE WHO HARDLY POSTED AT ALL, without any claims of mech backup, meta backup, or other reasoning.  They're not null, they're okay.

I mean, I'm sorry if I'm yelling at you about your partner.  But if EP is town, it's FBYOR Imp vs Secretdorf time.  Yeah, he flipped town and so did I.  And yeah people were sad to lose one or the both of us.  But I swear Secret was gonna get town dead.  Town does that sometimes.  If EP is town, his reasoning is hurting town.

So, if EP votes for Sheriff Office, that gets a vote out of D1 play when there's VERY FEW VOTES left and I know he wants me dead, one of my top town reads dead, or someone I lean town on dead - or just all of town dead with some preferred to go first.

Town Lean
NJW: pushing the game forward without fluffing his posts; some odd stuff in reads but we always anti-mindmeld; I could change my mind later but executing them D1 would be completely absurd

OK
CM: not a ton to go on, but I haven't seen her usual scumtells and I don't think scum!CM would be this forward with role information; however, increasingly unhappy about lack of nonmechanical posting
Hyper: was absent for a while but never pretended not to be; now more active; no strong impression of content otherwise
TricMagic: has barely posted, I still can't read Tric very well
EuchreJack: play reminds me unpleasantly of CYOS2 but I felt a bit better about him once he gave reads; would like to see more
juicebox: absent throughout most of the day but was literally offline

Hmmmm
NQT: mechanics focus, acting like a spectator

Scum Lean
VermillionSkies: not seeking to engage with anyone; parked vote on lurker despite being borderline lurker themself; skimming previous games, refusal to question people matches scum activity pattern and goes against town activity pattern; they did at least vote FoU with a question but only after I called them out
Imp: posting a lot but barely engaged with other people's posts at first, which is out of character for her; absolute anti-mindmeld; scumreading active players and townreading lurkers feels like MVM4 all over again
FallacyofUrist: has essentially only posted about RVS and mechanics; basically vanished when things got serious; Imp is emitting more scum signals but FoU is emitting absolutely zero town ones

So.  I'm no longer stressed about 'people who I think may be mafia' taking the sheriff's office.  It might even lower my sus, because I suspect that it's better for maf for the auction to fail, and even more tempting for maf to have their vote to use in this tiny pool of remaining votes.  And potentially to stay out of the sway of what Town CrystalizedMire (if someone is maf, they know if CrystalizedMire is town; if she is... that may look extra icky to maf) may be able to do to the people who take auction items.

We're all just responsible for how we use known abilities, and all else we do.  I can be cool with that.  And I really freaking like you, NJW.  Please be town playing like this - this game or future games.  I likes how you feel!


Tric.

On the final Sheriff's Office, I'm of the opinion either Hyper or Fal should take it from reading things. It's a personal action so if it messes with your night plans no reason to. One reason I could say is that a Passive works out much better for me, but I was more thinking SHINIES when I saw the list and saw that one was the most obscuring. No one ever reads me based on mechanics so being miller for a day works out fine.

Rather obviously I have a way to render that mute eventually. Eventually, or I end up dead.

Supposedly, as far as we all know.  The stuff we gain from the auction locks at the start of the next day.

Nobody has claimed they can change that, that I've seen.  I've claimed I can't at this time do that kinda thing for myself or others.

You may want to be careful to read the ability and decide if you are intentionally revealing that it won't go locked for you, or if you want to admit you misread an ability.  Would be believable - you were misreading stuff when you were known town and known maf.  I know you're not more careful about that when you're maf, you freaking gave me a copy of your gym last game when you didn't even have to and might have benefitted more by not doing so, I think you misread.  But I also know you might misread as town, so I'm cool with you.

But read the ability and ask the mod questions about it, and think about if you want to claim that it won't lock for you.

Also the active sheriff's office is free.  Locks the next day but free when not locked.  So if someone claims that messes with their night plans to use it... that is incredibly revealing about them.

Also, Tric.  Thank god and you that you're posting.  I think you're probably town and even without a D1 vote you're a D1 voice and thank you so much for using it.

Haven't really been keeping up with the thread cause been busy with other stuff but eh.

That is a very oddly balanced vote count. What do you think the chances are of catching scum today and why?

We may end up stuck with a D1 no elim, since elim requires hammer and hammer will require 3 votes if someone kindly takes the sheriff office.

If we have many maf that didn't take an auction item, they can coordinate a vote but that might look interesting to the rest of us unless we see a maf flip.

Otherwise... we have our 6 remaining voters, hopefully one takes the Sheriff... then the remaining 5 manage a hammer or not.

The game's kinda designed to go long, or be balanced even if it does go long... I think?  Slightly unsure about that.  Only slightly.  I do prefer an elim today but I don't want a townie elimed so I'm really torn there and more open to a non-elim than I had been earlier in the day.

I'm not going to take Sheriff's Office at the behest of someone I think is scum. If other people ask I'll think about it.

Buying Dormitory would be an unusual move for scum, though it does let you not have a voting record come hammer. I don't really know what to make of it but it doesn't make you scummier in my eyes.

I put Hyper and juicebox in OK instead of null because they posted content between my calling them lurkers and my posting the readlist. That's a hell of a thing to overlook when you're going back through my posts. Also, hardlurking, while bad, is less suspicious to me than the softlurking VS and FoU are and were doing, the way you're playing, and even the way NQT is playing. In any event, I haven't gone back and checked but I feel like Hyper has posted more actual content than either of them at this point.

[NJW2000]

Imp - Fine - I’ll have a look through your posts, though I’d note that your last post was long enough to state any reasons

To be perfectly honest, skimming most of what you write is the only way I can play after an exhausting and pointless misunderstanding took hours of my life in the CYOS game. There’s a lot of largely irrelevant summaries of old games (or Imp’s role in them), and other excesses that I’d be tempted to describe as verbal diarrhoea. I’m going to miss stuff.

Ninja:Imp
Also, lynching the guy who used their vote to buy a bed for the night is extremely off.

You really think we’re going to arrange a hammer in four hours? I would be astonished by anything other than a no-elim. My vote stands if I’m not satisfied with the explanation by the end of D2. Today, it can only tell me who scum refuse to kill.

[Elephant Parade]

Oh yeah, it would also be completely insane of me to take Sheriff's Office because it's looking increasingly like I could be lynched and that isn't a power you want taken out of the game before it can be used. So, y'know.

[TricMagic]

Being honest you shouldn't be worried about being lynched. After all the only ones who lose if they are lynched are the Third Parties.
Mafia are also impacted heavily.

Like... At the moment not sure a Lynch will even go through. Why the worry? You should be pushing for a No-Lynch so Mafia don't get to control who gets lynched.

[Elephant Parade]

Being honest you shouldn't be worried about being lynched. After all the only ones who lose if they are lynched are the Third Parties.
Mafia are also impacted heavily.

Like... At the moment not sure a Lynch will even go through. Why the worry? You should be pushing for a No-Lynch so Mafia don't get to control who gets lynched.

My concern isn't being lynched, it's being lynched with the one-shot cop that could go to any player in my hands, which would be wasteful and stupid.

I think at least one person who's bought from the auction is scum so I don't think scum actually control the lynch.

[TricMagic]

That would almost undoubtably have to be NQT. If you buy the Sheriff Office then it's NJW who's probably on the Imp Lynch List.

What, do you think Imp's not going to tie themselves into knots? This is Town Imp.

[Imp]

I’m going to miss stuff.

If you don't read, then repeated postings... why would you read them?

Simple as I can make it for you, old to new:

Like... I dunno if 'the corner bakery' is a location, if 'Boardwalk' is a location, if 'Rainforest' is a location, if 'Sweden' is a location or if 'Africa' is a location or if 'Starlight Station' is a location... 'Heaven', 'Dormitory', 'Bottom Left Corner', 'e4' or what are or are not location names... and purposes or anything else about them.  I also don't know if different people have their own sets of locations that apply to them but not others, and I don't know how the mech all ties together or the maze it forms.

There's something weird about Tachyon (from Mater's flip) and Dormitory (from auction); they both... do nothing in a consuming of resources way.  Dorm's even worse than Tach; Tach at least gives its consumed slot back.  Dorm appears to eat the vote and get off the list but that's it.  Thing is I don't have any mech telling me why this stuff is special, but it jingles and jangles at my mind like... the BYOS2 game's 'get the hat, go to the gym, do what you can and you just might live!' of my D2/N2 where... random events, other players' choices, and unexpected changes that nobody (well, mod?  bows thankfully to NQT) set up made me res from my infection.

None of that directly applies here but I suspect that there's more to Tachyon and dorm than meets the eye and a tiny bit of me thinks having the dorm might work out - but I don't know how or to whose benefit and I'm guessing at the pattern we are shown.  So I don't really want the dorm.  And I would like to keep my vote to use D1 and I am quite interested in the Sheriff's office which clearly has use.  But we'll see who does what moving forward.

NQT, this is also my answer to your direct questions to me.

Whatever the irony, I kinda am similar in thought about why not snap up the smithy or any other.  I would like to have my vote to use D1 as a vote.  I would slightly prefer not to have any of the auction items.  If I take one... I maybe weakly want dorm (because of Stranger Things.  What the heck is up with that dorm and the Tach abilities???) or more strongly Sheriff.  I more care that someone I'm not very sus of takes Sheriff, I most prefer to remain a voter.

This is bugging me so much.

But it feels right.  Here's to hats and gyms and recognizing wonder and the unknown when it passes near:  Dormitory

[NJW2000]

NINJA'd, posting anyway.

@Imp - so you wanted it to help CM and because you think there might be something special about an empty power. You've made close to 40 posts, and I missed like two posts where you mentioned that you were thinking about it.

Spoiler:  Imp talking about wanting but at this point not REALLY wanting dorm (click to show/hide)

There's something weird about Tachyon (from Mater's flip) and Dormitory (from auction); they both... do nothing in a consuming of resources way.  Dorm's even worse than Tach; Tach at least gives its consumed slot back.  Dorm appears to eat the vote and get off the list but that's it.  Thing is I don't have any mech telling me why this stuff is special, but it jingles and jangles at my mind like... the BYOS2 game's 'get the hat, go to the gym, do what you can and you just might live!' of my D2/N2 where... random events, other players' choices, and unexpected changes that nobody (well, mod?  bows thankfully to NQT) set up made me res from my infection.

None of that directly applies here but I suspect that there's more to Tachyon and dorm than meets the eye and a tiny bit of me thinks having the dorm might work out - but I don't know how or to whose benefit and I'm guessing at the pattern we are shown.  So I don't really want the dorm.  And I would like to keep my vote to use D1 and I am quite interested in the Sheriff's office which clearly has use.  But we'll see who does what moving forward.

That you'd give up your vote, at a crucial moment, because you think there's a secret that has to do with empty powers is insane. Unless it's actually a breadcrumb for a very weird role that requires that, but I don't think so.

...

I don't think that's something that's worth pressuring you on. Getting caught up on a random aspect of the mechanics that does nothing is exactly the kind of thing you're given to doing.

I do think giving up your vote (and quite possibly the elim) for that reason was an impressively terrible idea.

Ok, unvote, you had talked about it before.

I don't even know at this point. I'm not sure if I'd be okay with any elim.

[Elephant Parade]

How about FoU or VS?

[TricMagic]

...

[TricMagic]

To be clear that was to Elephant Parade.

Imp would probably run out of posts before day end at this rate. In any case Sheriff is on the table, so who's going to pick it up? Alternatively we give EP the boot cause you NJW just gave the perfect opportunity for a No Vote and EP's response was to push a vote on people that might not even be here.

[Elephant Parade]

Because I think they're scum. I would like to try to vote out people who are scum. That's better than pushing for a No Lynch.

[Imp]

Imp - Fine - I’ll have a look through your posts, though I’d note that your last post was long enough to state any reasons

To be perfectly honest, skimming most of what you write is the only way I can play after an exhausting and pointless misunderstanding took hours of my life in the CYOS game. There’s a lot of largely irrelevant summaries of old games (or Imp’s role in them), and other excesses that I’d be tempted to describe as verbal diarrhoea. I’m going to miss stuff.

Ninja:Imp
Also, lynching the guy who used their vote to buy a bed for the night is extremely off.

You really think we’re going to arrange a hammer in four hours? I would be astonished by anything other than a no-elim. My vote stands if I’m not satisfied with the explanation by the end of D2. Today, it can only tell me who scum refuse to kill.

And I think you're scared scum setting up justification for a hammer because you didn't say "Imp, I can't read all your stuff.  Where/why did you explain why you took the dorm?  Is that really it?"

No, you snapped.  Which doesn't fit scum you, except it explains the hammer of an Imp you were town on feels.  Gotta justify that elim.

@Imp - so you wanted it to help CM

I believe the auction completing helps town.  I'm a little confused about that, I could be wrong.  I have reasons why I think CrystalizedMire's claims are plausible and I've called for people to help keep CrystalizedMire alive longer/otherwise helped if the can and choose.

Crystal claims it has to complete today to work.  And there's other claims.  Makes it more not less believable to me, there's still room for confusion.

Would I like a vote to 'fight' with today still?

Yeah.

Would I like the Sheriff's office?  Yeah.

Do I think it might have been hard to get someone to take the Dorm?  Yeah.  Hyper offered to take it.  But he doesn't really post very often and there's 3 things left.

And how important is that Sheriff office.

Maybe not at all.  The real prize is the mech behind the auction... or so I make my town-bet.

So, I take dorm.  It's not about helping CM specifically.  It's about helping town, and realizing that the value of Sheriff's office... I dunno it's that high or not.  Maybe dorm'll be cool - tachyon from the mod-flip is the only reason I even wonder if it might be more than it seems because Tachyon looks like a waste of an ability, yet it's there.  Either way, as NQT said early, dorm has to be gotten out of the way if the auction is gonna happen.

Ahh, the words of NQT:

NJW, I agree entirely that lurking and safe votes is a good D1 scum strategy. That would have been a fair read. As it happens, I've just not been very well the last few days (much better as of today!), but that would be an easy lie for someone to make so you shouldn't take that at face value.

Anyway, while I would be happy for you to take a power today — I like your post, you've demonstrated you should live another day — perhaps you should be one of the EOD voters.


Imp

1. I'd like Sheriff's Office if nobody else should have it
2. I'm also interested in being able to vote to elim today
3. I want the auction to happen

If you want the auction to happen (3), then you should join the auction. Of course you want Sheriff's Office but: A. if you're town then I remind you this is a team game and it's important that someone inspects more than it being you to do it; B. if you're scum then of course you want to grab it!

If you're serious about the auction happening then put your vote where your mouth is.


Elephant Parade

Recall that my interest was conditional

We're entering the last third of the day. Do you have a case to push? Or are you going to help us get to the Sheriff's Office? If you end up not using your vote usefully today, I shan't be impressed.