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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day One
« Reply #135 on: January 18, 2025, 01:17:41 am »

Yeah, I admit I haven't felt the most engaged with this game. I'll at least give it a good attempt, though.

At the very least, I owe you all a reads list and a decently reasoned vote.

Why not 'felt the most engaged with this game', FoU?  What's going on with that?
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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day One
« Reply #136 on: January 18, 2025, 02:20:20 am »

I think it's just vibes, mostly. I haven't cultivated a ton of enthusiasm with the game. Maybe it's because I'm town, hah.

Funny how being scum makes me more driven and goal-oriented.

Anyways.

I think Elephant Parade and NJW2000 are either the scumteam, or masons.

VermSky initially gained some of my trust with his talk about the Location system - see, I'm also Global Campaign, so I understood what exactly is special about Tric.

Unfortunately, I think that Tric's decision to take the Darkroom mitigated some of that town-value, so only part of it remains, in addition to any value Verm's role gives it.

Town lean.

notquitethere definitely made an audacious play by taking Butchery, but that could be either confident scum believing they won't get killed, or town who is genuinely willing to take that gamble. Closer to null.

Frankly I scum lean Crystalizedmire - the claimed Night 5 kill simply makes no sense in a game with this few players, and this auction mechanic is, overall, anti-town. Yes, there's utility, but the main drawback (loss of votes) weakens town power overall.

Unfortunately, the whole "can't vote for her" makes pursuing that a bit difficult.

I've appreciated Imp's enthusiasm, so that's a town lean, but admittedly her sheer volume of content makes for a hard read.

Who's not really caught my attention? EuchreJack, Hyper, and juicebox.
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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day One
« Reply #137 on: January 18, 2025, 02:52:58 am »

Funny how being scum makes me more driven and goal-oriented.

Huh.  Are you missing your previous anti-town frequency?




Finishing up what I have time and energy to do of my deep reads.

Quick summary first:

Strong Townleans:
CrystalizedMire - mechy with room for confusion
TricMagic - mechy with room for confusion
VermillionSkies - read+mechy with room for confusion
EuchreJack - read


Weak Townleans:
Hyper - read
FoU - read


True stare at null:
NQT - read


Mafleans:
Elephant Parade - read
Juicebox - read
NJW2000 - read





I can't deep dive FoU.  There's not enough there.  What is there feels honest.  I am mildly surprised if FoU is maf this game.  Null very weak townlean because of the part of me saying 'not maf'.

I can deep dive Juice, barely.  He reminds me more of BYOAlignment, where he had a wincon to kill me and soon knew he had a hunter in CM whose wincon required him and anyone else undead like him dead (so that's scummish?), than when he was town in BYOMonster.  He was 'town' in our confusing bastard game Net Police.  Doesn't feel very similar.  All other games are older and I wasn't in 'em.

When he's town he was curious, active, pushing, even when kinda busy.

Here he just... responds.  He gave a readslist.  That's nice and I even like it. :(  I like scum this game :(  I'm okay with Juice having more time; the part of me that judges says 'squish this, this is anti-town'.  If I had to decide now or game over if I don't, I'd throw Juice in the maf pile.

I can't deep dive Hyper.  I've never played beside him when I was town, I've never read him except to guide him to be a more likely successful mafioso here.  However, he doesn't feel much like I think he would have felt there.  I don't like him as much (apparently currently that's good, because I like scum?) as I did my last game with him (It's me, not you, I swear.  Something happened and I just like evil right now, drat).  He does still bring out my teacher side, which is NAI.  If I had to decide now or game over if I don't, I'd put Hyper carefully on the edge of the Town pile.  Minimal confidence, but that part of me that judges says '.... probably not Maf this time'.  Very hard call, but it's that side of the line.

My deep dive of Tric says 'town here, carry on, just go on, leave the Dragon to its lair'.  No qualms from my judge part.

My deep dive of Verm still says, almost certainly town Verm.

Here's a comparison, by the way.  Earliest Verm posts of my first game with Verm, we're both town in BYOMonster, and my reaction there:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The game where Verm was maf, CYOS2, and my reaction there:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

This game, Verm's posts:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

This Verm is extremely likely to be town.

I can't deep dive NQT well.  I've played 3 previous games with him:

MVM: Him town medium, me maf
Supernormal: Him town cop, me pro-town survivor
FBYOR6:  Town spiderman, neat jack of all trades with some drawbacks and advantages, me town 'dreamer' (make anything want that again!).

So, I've only ever seen NQT as town.  But I was only town in like 2 of them... My survivor game I played very townie, and tried to hide the humans, which I estimated NQT to be, and a town cop at that (whoops :(  ID'd him from the first as a town power role and didn't help hide him well there/then).  But I was reading like a townie, trying to mark and remove anti-town.

NQT often draws high sus.  He often rarely posts but has great strategic posts when he makes them.  He's playing bolder than I usually see this game, but some of that boldness was present in MVM, I think (harder to see/feel my own true-town POV there).  He felt more maf-like to me (that is, I liked his post feel better) after I started describing my current quirk about that... gonna call that nice of him/NAI.  During FBYOR, he was the first player I super-cop checked, because I thought he was gonna be the elim (and for all I knew, he might be anti-town... but it was to save him if he was town, which I did suspect).

So, all I can say is 'this is NQT, and might well be town'.  Oddly my inner judge simply looks at him, and I can't even slightly say if I think he is town or maf.  I sure think he could be town, but that's the strongest I can go.

NJW is already deeply considered elsewhere, as are more recently CrystalizedMire and EuchreJack.

Elephant I'm iffy about, this could be town?  But I am leaning more into I don't really believe this is honest play.

But, I'm tired.  I'll get some sleep and hopefully deep read Elephant before end of day.
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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day One
« Reply #138 on: January 18, 2025, 06:58:38 am »

Hospital.
Just woke up, so I don’t have time to make a good post, but I’d like to put Hospital away before anything happens to it.
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Re: Bring Your Own Board Game - Day One
« Reply #139 on: January 18, 2025, 07:24:34 am »

Huh. I guess the question now is who takes sheriff…

I’m still not sure if I think it’s worth a vote. I guess Imp taking it would probably make my life easier, but it wouldn’t lead to hitting scum. Then again, I don’t particularly trust the power will work anyway… so possibly no great loss?
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« Reply #140 on: January 18, 2025, 09:58:17 am »

Vote Count - Day One Evening

juicebox (1) - Hyper
Imp (1) - Elephant Parade
Hyper (1) - EuchreJack
FallacyOfUrist (1) - NJW2000
Elephant Parade (1) - juicebox

Not Voting (1) - FallacyOfUrist

With 6 votes in play, 4 are required to lynch or 3 to no-lynch.

Day ends in 5 hours, at 20:00:00 UTC on January 18.
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« Reply #141 on: January 18, 2025, 10:10:40 am »

Haven't really been keeping up with the thread cause been busy with other stuff but eh.

That is a very oddly balanced vote count. What do you think the chances are of catching scum today and why?
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« Reply #142 on: January 18, 2025, 10:29:13 am »

I'm going to go ahead and take the Darkroom. If you can't read the dragon, don't bother checking and all that.

And if someone kills me for claiming a protect that's fine too.
Why did you do this?
If anyone is going to take the heat for not being investigated, it's me. You'll eventually see why. You'll all see!

For Town: Imp. Just Imp things. Verm cause I find myself wondering where I am too. Didn't need to reveal that.
Crystal is Crystal. Feels a lot more motivated this game, likely cause of that kill they're charging up from the Auction. No long wait for them here.

As of page 5, now on 6.
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« Reply #143 on: January 18, 2025, 10:32:38 am »

For the record, still feel like Jack isn't town. What's Family Jack? You just came out and gave away a genre name outright. That's never a good idea if there is a thief around. Or Hyper moving between locations while Vermillion is looking at them.
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« Reply #144 on: January 18, 2025, 10:36:08 am »

I am allowed to chew through my post count cause I saved it up to end of day. NJW why would it be bad for us if we don't leave the Auction alone?

And then you go tell Jack publicly to make themselves unlynchable for some reason. What's your game? Is it Mafia-Ally?
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« Reply #145 on: January 18, 2025, 10:45:30 am »

Right now I could get behind an Imp, FoU, or VS execution.
Page 9.. I can get behind an Elephant Parade Elimination. Reading through everything at once it just seems you're determined to strike at the easiest, most knowledgable, and/or noisy targets. Easy lynch, and doesn't require you to waste a kill to get rid of Imp before they get going to full steam. FoU doesn't give any info meanwhile, and letting VS live isn't in your interests either.

Despite all this I've somehow made it through Day 1 without a single vote on me and 2 whole posts until today.
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« Reply #146 on: January 18, 2025, 10:52:08 am »

On the final Sheriff's Office, I'm of the opinion either Hyper or Fal should take it from reading things. It's a personal action so if it messes with your night plans no reason to. One reason I could say is that a Passive works out much better for me, but I was more thinking SHINIES when I saw the list and saw that one was the most obscuring. No one ever reads me based on mechanics so being miller for a day works out fine.

Rather obviously I have a way to render that mute eventually. Eventually, or I end up dead.
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« Reply #147 on: January 18, 2025, 11:24:50 am »

Oh, I didn't notice Imp taking dormitory. That is... unexpected. Extremely out of character.

Unless scum have taken at least one power from the auction, or magma designed a game 2 scum and 9 town, it is now impossible to hit scum today unless they want us to. Even if there are only two scum votes, it'll take every town player voting correctly to achieve an elim. This is why I wanted to avoid a mad scramble for roles. Seeing as we screwed up this badly, someone should take Sheriff to make it a bit more worthwhile.



I think I like FoU a lot better now they're posting reads and engaging more organically. As scum they tend to post a lot about things that have happened in the thread without actually giving reads. I was worried that was happening, but it isn't.

Unvote.

I was going to be annoyed at CM because they took smithy when I wasn't sure about their alignment, but CM would totally just take smithy as town, so that's NAI. Still wondering if this is part of an evil auctioneer master plan though, and do still want them to answer my question.


I am allowed to chew through my post count cause I saved it up to end of day. NJW why would it be bad for us if we don't leave the Auction alone?

And then you go tell Jack publicly to make themselves unlynchable for some reason. What's your game? Is it Mafia-Ally?
Because if people buy enough items to get to sheriff in one day, the elimination will be decided by a small minority of players. Or it becomes impossible to elim scum. Probably has already happened. I really hope you can stop thinking about roles long enough to see why that puts us at a disadvantage.

As for Jack, I'm townreading him and would have liked to see him take smithy so scum couldn't take it.



Even if it's impossible to elim mafia, it is worth trying to see who is willing to vote who. So not giving up yet.

Juicebox seems a bit less distant, though I'm still interested in the elim. I can't read Hyper still, though they're actually playing now.

But good lord do I need to see an explanation for something. Usually there's a lot of words behind anything Imp does, but this time...

This is bugging me so much.

But it feels right.  Here's to hats and gyms and recognizing wonder and the unknown when it passes near:  Dormitory
Imp, what on earth happened here? Did I miss you talking about this, or is it literally just to help CM?
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« Reply #148 on: January 18, 2025, 11:33:36 am »

Huh. I guess the question now is who takes sheriff…

I’m still not sure if I think it’s worth a vote. I guess Imp taking it would probably make my life easier, but it wouldn’t lead to hitting scum. Then again, I don’t particularly trust the power will work anyway… so possibly no great loss?

Imp took dorm, and mod says nobody has a double vote yet, the vote count would show it.

So.  I can't take it.

I am already betting town, or a large part of it, on the auction being townie.  It was not a blind bet; I know something that helped me think it is more likely to be townie.  So I sure hope that someone takes the sheriff office before end of day because the claim is that must be done to unlock the mech of the auction.

Sure, I'd prefer someone town to take it.  That could be you; I could be wrong about my read of you.  I'd like to be wrong about my read of you.  I freaking like you a lot this game.  It would be so awesome to like you that much and you're even town.

Everyone is going to figure everyone out by their play and posts and whatever mess of mech and other info we get.

I still care who takes Sheriff.... but I've accepted it's just more info.

If you take it and live to report on however you use it (and it's free, so it makes sense for a report on how it was used, even if someone has no interest in using it) that's more info.

Heck, at this moment I wanna say I want Elephant Parade to take it.  I don't think Elephant's reasoning is usefully town and everyone he wants to vote for I either know is town, strongly townlean, or weakly townlean, with the exception of Juicebox... who he said he'd vote even in preference for me back

juicebox, Hyper: Neither of you have posted enough for me to get any kind of read on you, which means I'd be perfectly willing to execute either one of you today. Please fix this!

Look at these freaking reads.

IS OKAY WITH PEOPLE WHO HARDLY POSTED AT ALL, without any claims of mech backup, meta backup, or other reasoning.  They're not null, they're okay.

I mean, I'm sorry if I'm yelling at you about your partner.  But if EP is town, it's FBYOR Imp vs Secretdorf time.  Yeah, he flipped town and so did I.  And yeah people were sad to lose one or the both of us.  But I swear Secret was gonna get town dead.  Town does that sometimes.  If EP is town, his reasoning is hurting town.

So, if EP votes for Sheriff Office, that gets a vote out of D1 play when there's VERY FEW VOTES left and I know he wants me dead, one of my top town reads dead, or someone I lean town on dead - or just all of town dead with some preferred to go first.

Town Lean
NJW: pushing the game forward without fluffing his posts; some odd stuff in reads but we always anti-mindmeld; I could change my mind later but executing them D1 would be completely absurd

OK
CM: not a ton to go on, but I haven't seen her usual scumtells and I don't think scum!CM would be this forward with role information; however, increasingly unhappy about lack of nonmechanical posting
Hyper: was absent for a while but never pretended not to be; now more active; no strong impression of content otherwise
TricMagic: has barely posted, I still can't read Tric very well
EuchreJack: play reminds me unpleasantly of CYOS2 but I felt a bit better about him once he gave reads; would like to see more
juicebox: absent throughout most of the day but was literally offline

Hmmmm
NQT: mechanics focus, acting like a spectator

Scum Lean
VermillionSkies: not seeking to engage with anyone; parked vote on lurker despite being borderline lurker themself; skimming previous games, refusal to question people matches scum activity pattern and goes against town activity pattern; they did at least vote FoU with a question but only after I called them out
Imp: posting a lot but barely engaged with other people's posts at first, which is out of character for her; absolute anti-mindmeld; scumreading active players and townreading lurkers feels like MVM4 all over again
FallacyofUrist: has essentially only posted about RVS and mechanics; basically vanished when things got serious; Imp is emitting more scum signals but FoU is emitting absolutely zero town ones

So.  I'm no longer stressed about 'people who I think may be mafia' taking the sheriff's office.  It might even lower my sus, because I suspect that it's better for maf for the auction to fail, and even more tempting for maf to have their vote to use in this tiny pool of remaining votes.  And potentially to stay out of the sway of what Town CrystalizedMire (if someone is maf, they know if CrystalizedMire is town; if she is... that may look extra icky to maf) may be able to do to the people who take auction items.

We're all just responsible for how we use known abilities, and all else we do.  I can be cool with that.  And I really freaking like you, NJW.  Please be town playing like this - this game or future games.  I likes how you feel!




Tric.

On the final Sheriff's Office, I'm of the opinion either Hyper or Fal should take it from reading things. It's a personal action so if it messes with your night plans no reason to. One reason I could say is that a Passive works out much better for me, but I was more thinking SHINIES when I saw the list and saw that one was the most obscuring. No one ever reads me based on mechanics so being miller for a day works out fine.

Rather obviously I have a way to render that mute eventually. Eventually, or I end up dead.

Supposedly, as far as we all know.  The stuff we gain from the auction locks at the start of the next day.

Nobody has claimed they can change that, that I've seen.  I've claimed I can't at this time do that kinda thing for myself or others.

You may want to be careful to read the ability and decide if you are intentionally revealing that it won't go locked for you, or if you want to admit you misread an ability.  Would be believable - you were misreading stuff when you were known town and known maf.  I know you're not more careful about that when you're maf, you freaking gave me a copy of your gym last game when you didn't even have to and might have benefitted more by not doing so, I think you misread.  But I also know you might misread as town, so I'm cool with you.

But read the ability and ask the mod questions about it, and think about if you want to claim that it won't lock for you.

Also the active sheriff's office is free.  Locks the next day but free when not locked.  So if someone claims that messes with their night plans to use it... that is incredibly revealing about them.


Also, Tric.  Thank god and you that you're posting.  I think you're probably town and even without a D1 vote you're a D1 voice and thank you so much for using it.

Haven't really been keeping up with the thread cause been busy with other stuff but eh.

That is a very oddly balanced vote count. What do you think the chances are of catching scum today and why?

We may end up stuck with a D1 no elim, since elim requires hammer and hammer will require 3 votes if someone kindly takes the sheriff office.

If we have many maf that didn't take an auction item, they can coordinate a vote but that might look interesting to the rest of us unless we see a maf flip.

Otherwise... we have our 6 remaining voters, hopefully one takes the Sheriff... then the remaining 5 manage a hammer or not.

The game's kinda designed to go long, or be balanced even if it does go long... I think?  Slightly unsure about that.  Only slightly.  I do prefer an elim today but I don't want a townie elimed so I'm really torn there and more open to a non-elim than I had been earlier in the day.
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« Reply #149 on: January 18, 2025, 11:35:47 am »

FallacyofUrist: I appreciate the reads, but you still aren't pursuing engagement with anyone...
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