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[Elephant Parade]

I'm going to go ahead and take the Darkroom. If you can't read the dragon, don't bother checking and all that.

And if someone kills me for claiming a protect that's fine too.

Why did you do this?

The optimal play might be to wait for someone to declare intent to hammer, have everyone unvote, allot abilities in whatever way feels reasonable, and then hammer the original executee with whoever's left. There are things that could go wrong with that, though, like said executee snagging Smithy (though if they were willing to play along, this could be prevented by having them buy one of the earlier abilities).

EP... Hey, what gives you hope/thought that.... well the math.

To claim all the auction abilities would take 6 voters.  To hammer anyone after that would take 3 other voters.

In what world do we have the kinda coordination to pull off 9 votes in... some fashion that decides after someone declares intent to hammer and there's still time left to coordinate 9 people?

.... what I really wonder is what kinda word does EP think that's a reasonable coordination expectation to discuss?  Or do I not understand what you're discussing?

It... doesn't seem remotely impossible to me, assuming we reach intent to hammer sometime tomorrow? It certainly doesn't seem so impossible as to not even be worth discussing? If we don't reach intent to hammer until the last few hours before deadline, it might be difficult or impossible depending on how few people are on, but even then it could be worth trying. You're weirding me out.

[Elephant Parade]

So am I correct that VS is one of your two strongest townreads? Why?

[Imp]

You're weirding me out.

I always do, right?

Imp - as usual, gut scumread due to overactivity; treating as null

So am I correct that VS is one of your two strongest townreads? Why?

Remember CYOS2?

Verm was in that one, after his 4th post I said 'anti-town Verm' and drove the D1 elim at him as best I could.  We didn't even have flips for a long time, eventually yeah he was maf.

I did that on his 4th post because... meta.  I'm sure he's interested in fixing that but my first game with him when we were both town - I picked new-to-me-Verm who I didn't know for sure to be town to be my partner if he'd agree and follow my plan.  You weren't in that game, but he agreed and added his own spiffies and we together helped ensure a town win against some very tricksy and well-powered scum ... but wait.  You were the mod for BYOMonster.  You might recall some of that.

One day Verm'll fool me.  Ready to applaud when that happens.  Hopefully it's convincing me he's town when he's scum, be sad if he convinces me he's anti-town when he's actually pro-town.

For now, I think he's probably town, Tric probably town too for mech related to Verm's claims.  Low confidence, but seems reasonable, I start there.

[VermilionSkies]

Okay, so!
I don't have any mechanical information on Tric's alignment, but they are in a spot that's very convenient for my nightgame if they're left alive.
Said nightgame is directly helpful to the town.

Imp continues to haunt my mafia games like some sort of phantom. Please stop correctly reading me D1, it's getting uncanny.

EP, I'm not entirely against the idea, it just feels a little too vulnerable to hijacking for me to be comfortable with it.

Speaking of Tric, huh? What are you doing?

I enjoy EJ's early information claim this game.

NJW seems kind of null to me, actually.

Also, two things:
1. The Auction only takes the vote for the day, not for the rest of the game.
2. If we're really going for the auction, I want the hospital.

[NJW2000]

Still haven't heard from Juicebox or Hyper, which is getting a bit worrying, especially as Juicebox is given to flying under the radar in large games. Apart from a few players, posting's been pretty minimal all round. Kinda felt like I was screwed over by low engagement despite some good reads last game, so not happy about that.

FoU: do you have any townreads yet?

CrystallizedMire: what do you think of EuchreJack's behaviour so far?


Also, kind of off-topic, but apparently David Lynch just died, which is a real shame.

[notquitethere]

Tric boldly going for Darkroom there. NAI, is my gut here.

I think the players who won't necessarily use their vote on D1 either way should join the auction. What do you reckon, juicebox.

(Pfp. have been a bit poorly last few days and mostly been sleeping, but on the mend so should kick things up a gear soon..)

[Elephant Parade]

You're weirding me out.

I always do, right?

Yes, but -- as is clearer if you don't isolate that sentence -- not in this particular way. I notice you opted not to respond to the rest of the post.

Verm was in that one, after his 4th post I said 'anti-town Verm' and drove the D1 elim at him as best I could.  We didn't even have flips for a long time, eventually yeah he was maf.

I did that on his 4th post because... meta.  I'm sure he's interested in fixing that but my first game with him when we were both town - I picked new-to-me-Verm who I didn't know for sure to be town to be my partner if he'd agree and follow my plan.  You weren't in that game, but he agreed and added his own spiffies and we together helped ensure a town win against some very tricksy and well-powered scum ... but wait.  You were the mod for BYOMonster.  You might recall some of that.

One day Verm'll fool me.  Ready to applaud when that happens.  Hopefully it's convincing me he's town when he's scum, be sad if he convinces me he's anti-town when he's actually pro-town.

For now, I think he's probably town, Tric probably town too for mech related to Verm's claims.  Low confidence, but seems reasonable, I start there.

Meta reads are all well and good but at no point have you explained how any of this ties into the single post Vermillion made. I find that quite suspicious. Imp.

[juicebox]

I'd love to do a high effort intro post but posting from mobile ducks, so I won't

@EP I haven't played a game with you, but I have played a game that you've modded

@NQT To answer your first question, Sheriff's Office would be quite nice to have, and Hospital's pretty good as well

Of course the obvious downside is that we have to give up voting power to be able to get it, which can definitely be quite risky, but I think that we can mitigate those risks with proper coordination.

And as for your second question, that doesn't sound like a terrible idea at all. 

[Elephant Parade]

@EP I haven't played a game with you, but I have played a game that you've modded

Yeah, I remember that one. That's probably why I wasn't sure if we'd played, lol.

Hyper: Which players, if any, have you formed reads on?

[FallacyofUrist]

Still haven't heard from Juicebox or Hyper, which is getting a bit worrying, especially as Juicebox is given to flying under the radar in large games. Apart from a few players, posting's been pretty minimal all round. Kinda felt like I was screwed over by low engagement despite some good reads last game, so not happy about that.

FoU: do you have any townreads yet?

Just based on feels... Imp. I appreciate her level of engagement and early creation of a readslist, as well.

Juicebox is always low-activity and under the radar, though. It's an unfortunate meta.

Tric is a fuck, but as bold as his play was, I could see him doing it as town. Despite how anti-town it is.

[Imp]

Mater, Prod for Hyper, please?  Still concerned about NJW, same reasons, but that vote begs to be placed.

Meta reads are all well and good but at no point have you explained how any of this ties into the single post Vermillion made. I find that quite suspicious. Imp.

Elephant, I don't get your desire for me to discuss or react to your reply, I discussed how unrealistic I thought it was when I asked.  My thoughts - I don't think you're living in a realistic world with that ... 'stated dream' of how the choreography could work.

You described waiting for someone to have intent to hammer then we all unvote - which means there's already votes and voters scattered to time - then 9 of us (if that many are possible) line up to decide who gets what, or who means to fight for what when it's next, or who means to lie about that - and we get all that sorted so maybe pro-town decisions happen for the most part about who gets what of the auction, then the people who chose not to get anything then hammer... I guess ideally that same person initially intented to be hammered.

That's not how town usually works on D1, and I tried to weave something less complex than that in CYOS1 D1 to elim web (along with Sof, dang Tric the double elim target really helped there, it made it harder for maf to cover both targets, well done once more).

This game... when you posted that 'plan' we had 2/11 not even posted yet.  Most of us had posted just once, a few twice.  Voting's important to most of us...

Even so, we saw last game how D2 NQT was 'set up' to be the elim by town - my maf partner there wasn't even voting EoD.  I could have had any of Tric, Verm, or NQT just by myself voting because nobody else was organized and everyone else but NQT had one vote, and town Jack had just parked his vote on NQT like 30 hours earlier and just not come back (granted was Christmas and day after, but still).  NQT even gently discussed with Jack in deadchat or something how anti-town-like that parked vote was.

We do stuff like that, even the town of us, and I'm surprised that you think we can pull off a 9 player organized handle auction and handle elim.

It may fall into place.  One vote's already gone to the auction - but you didn't predict 'it'll happen' - you describe an organized plan and one that I don't think is at all likely.

... I organize plans as any alignment if I see a way to.  Scum have a team and often need to organize plans when they can.  Masons might organize team behavior.  Very few others do in maf games, especially D1.

I don't get or understand your thinking there - I'm not sure it's scummy of you but it's not reasonable and doesn't take human nature, specific players present behaviors and patterns into account, and it's weird as heck for you to expect - in my eval.

Harder to tell is that how you'd think when townie/when not in a team... dunno. When you were masons with Jim D1 you were not at all obvious team to me, but I had MY ROLE and its ability shining in my eyes and I was going gangbusters towards joy and thrill... even when I settled down to serious I was grabbing likely MLs and conf towning them (would have been fine if they were anti-town, but they were just seriously scummy) and I really kinda thought you town by the time I was focusing that way.  You were even beggin' me to inspect you/Jim at one point to help ensure you guys weren't the elim... I was more worried about folks I thought were likely to be the elim/were likely to actually be anti-town.

I've grown a lot since that game and I don't have MY ROLE and its ability blinding me this game.  What I've got is nice and all, just not so nice that I can't think how to play to my wincon as well.

Meta reads been there/explained that.  Last game you were in with me, CYOS2, where my meta on Verm helped get him elim D1.  My meta read of Verm has minimally changed since then; I got to seem him as to-me conf town when I was maf in our game after CYOS2 and now here.  He's gonna try to fix it, and this:

Imp continues to haunt my mafia games like some sort of phantom. Please stop correctly reading me D1, it's getting uncanny.

Doesn't feel right or true, but the rest of his second post's okay and parts of it ring town-Verm-true.

Also, Verm... you sure you don't want me to correctly read you on D1 when you actually are town?  Cause... that means I run you up for elim because I wrongly I think you're not town... and that hurts town if you happen to be pro-town... sure you want me to stop reading you correctly D1?  Didn't think so... what, you want that?  Freakin' jester

Back to Elephant... so yeah.  I'm not 'scared' of town-reading Verm when I am maf - I showed that clearly last game.  I'm not scared of town-reading Verm when I am town, or reading him as anti-town.  He's Verm, one of my favorite people to play in a maf game beside; he's what I hoped Toons would be with me but Toons got sick of my errors or personality or something - dunno, probably don't wanna know.  He's what I hoped EJ would be for me since FBYOR, but that was mod-made key in lock and never a personality fit - maybe he is a personality fit.

He's Verm and he's my buddy whose throat I will and have cut when I think he's anti-my-wincon and if I think I gotta go that far (last game, whew, no; never hurt him 'cept in mod's end-game flavor - when he's anti-town and I am pro-town... dang.  Wish it didn't have to be, but you saw me handle that in CYOS2).


Seriously, Elephant, glad you at least asked Hyper a question that may be past RVS.  And your various RVS questions, glad you asked them.  I wonder about your scumhunting and such too, sure you get time to find your feet.  And I'm sorry I'm so loud or something that I distract you every game?  I care more when you're town, of course.  But I'm not playing that loud this game or posting that much, I think.  And you bounce from telling me... though this was a few games ago now...

Literally just post less. Post only the top 10% most important content and let the rest sit.

And I know you get 'I read X as town' because you've given tremendously little there yourself:

EP, do you have a current read of MS?

Yes.

Referencing other posts on this page. What type of post is that Elephant Parade? They ask, you say, and not much else?

I don't want to explain my read on MS because that would make it easier for scum!MS to be townread. I'll say that I read him as town, and I'll explain once he posts more, whether or not I change my mind.

So your chew on me is weird.  I'm still puzzling over you though, so I guess that's fine.

But you have loads of what I'm doing and reacting this game to consider, if you wanna.  Interesting to learn what you wanna.  And I just wanna see you move towards your wincon when you're ready, whatever that means for you.

Carry on, all!

[Elephant Parade]

I will read your novella-length post tomorrow.

[Hyper]

FIRST AND FOREMOST:
apologies for lack of activity. recently had a problem come up from the beginning of when i originally entered my in, but dealt with it. some small aftermath delayed me from my devices for 2 days, leading to this. anyways, im here now.

Hyper, what was the hardest part about playing as mafia in the last game?

probably listening to everyone, especially Imp. i wanted to play how i wanted to, but Imp really did help me with getting acquainted with this style of play.

Everyone:  Your thoughts on the auction, and how it effects votes?  I won't ask about the chance of 'so what if there's a persistent unlocker in play, but if you choose to discuss that, I'm listening.

Everyone:  Consider at some point discussing if you care about locations, and if you might want help moving to specific one(s).

i believe there are two options, since magma doesn’t want to actually give specifics.
1. these are permanent buffs that are a one time, one try thing, for the ’measly’ price of your d1 vote.
2. it’s a one night thing that may or may not appear again in the future, possibly every night.
i have a suspicion that it is the latter, and a recurring one at that.
i dont think there’s any particular point to even begin discussing unlocking the final one until we have agreed on someone to lynch, in which case we use it on the to see if we actually should?

as for locations, my ability relies pretty heavily on my location, as well as moving around.

Hyper: Which players, if any, have you formed reads on?

give me an hour and i’ll send another message with some of my probing thoughts.

Hyper and Juicebox, I miss you guys.  Game is approaching 23 hours after start, no posts from you guys.  Grats on that awesome post hoarding... taking notes.  Show me how to use some, k?  I got all I can learn about not-posting-at-all.  Hyper... if you actually rolled maf again, condolences + I know you love it.  Yes, I can read you, and... I can read silence from you if I have to, so get over the fear and get to fooling if you have to.  It's more educational and fun for everyone, yeah?

i dont understand what you mean by post-hoarding.
secondly, that would be quite cruel and unusual if i were mafia again. i was stressed out last game, so i’m satisfied i can ‘relax’ (it feels strange to say that, because i will not be relaxed here). i’ll try out a new gameplay style, a bit more aggressive and active now that, once again[/i.], im acquainted with the playstyle.

[Crystalizedmire]

CrystalizedMire... You're getting away with posting as you are so far because I think you're more skilled if you're anti-town?

So far your post and game involvement reads a little like wubba's total emerald-focus in CYOS1.  If you're trying to scumhunt, I don't see it.  If you're trying to just get your unlocks so you can do da magic... if I were scum and knew you weren't, I might literally eat you.  If you're triple-crossing for that, yay.  But... play too?  Day game play.  Like... discuss and jostle people and be readable and help others be readable off you?

I hate the playstyle so far this game, but I lean weak town on Crystal despite the orange name.  Could be anything though, is the problem.  sniffs CrystalizedMire carefully  Another thing I hate, I asked the mod questions about what Crystal later claimed was her auction, and she didn't touch my questions either.  I'm confused why those answers are not pro-town.  The heck kinda hand is Crystal holding so close to her chest?  I mean, I don't need to know the cards held, but is that a town hand and town priorities?  I almost wanna say yes because Crystal tends to be pretty slick and smooth as anti-town?  Not happy and confused.

Please, I'm just busy. I missed your previous questions, that's all. I can't read other's motivations this game. If all the auction items are taken off, then the quicker it is for me to kill an anti-town.

CrystallizedMire: what do you think of EuchreJack's behaviour so far?

What do I think of Euchrejack's behaviour so far?

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Important: Anyone else with the "Family" Genre, we need to publicly claim which ability we plan to use.

Claim: I have the Family Genre.
Those with this genre know what the abilities are, so we don't have to describe them. But we DO need to claim our use of them.

I don't have this genre. This could go either way as town or anti-town but I'm going to lean town because sharing information is always towny. Though he's awfully quiet.

If anyone won't take Butchery then I'm taking it.

[Elephant Parade]

Don't take Butchery or someone else will have to take Smithy to prevent last-minute shenanigans, and I don't think anyone is universally townread enough to justly do that (though I personally would be okay with NJW doing it -- they're my strongest townread at the moment, with my only beef being a setup focus that can be justified by (a) everyone else doing it (b) the lack of other things to talk about until just recently)