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[TricMagic]

The ironic part is NQT was one of the ones who moved things along. Elephant wanted a clear line of events that could be navigated around. But even without the final item bought this has brought quite a bit of information to day 1. To the point a No Lynch is entirely viable for today.

[EuchreJack]

Sheriff's Office

I'm gonna enjoy being dead tomorrow...

[NJW2000]

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Imp - you think I was setting up a hammer with EP, who you also suspect is scum, and… two other people. You think I pretended ignorance as an excuse to vote you, then instead of dropping offline for two hours, immediately came back on and changed my mind. None of this makes sense.

We kind of got to this point in the CYOS. I admit I need to reread more. You need to slow down a bit too.


@EP - no. I kinda see Tric’s point here.


@EJ - that’s pretty ideal.

[EuchreJack]

I will probably use Jalepeno Poppers tonight in conjunction with Sheriff Office.

[TricMagic]

Unofficial Vote Count - Day One Evening

juicebox (1) - Hyper
Imp (1) - Elephant Parade
Elephant Parade (1) - juicebox

Not Voting (1) - FallacyOfUrist, NJW2000

With 5 votes in play, 3 are required to lynch or no-lynch.

Day ends in 2 hours, at 20:00:00 UTC on January 18.
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[Imp]

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Imp - you think I was setting up a hammer with EP, who you also suspect is scum, and… two other people. You think I pretended ignorance as an excuse to vote you, then instead of dropping offline for two hours, immediately came back on and changed my mind. None of this makes sense.

We kind of got to this point in the CYOS. I admit I need to reread more. You need to slow down a bit too.


@EP - no. I kinda see Tric’s point here.


@EJ - that’s pretty ideal.

Nah, I was expecting someone of the 6 who could to take the office, meaning hammer's down to 5.

So you two would need 1 other person.  If I happened to pick out the whole scumteam... that's 3 people who also all still have votes.

And Juice could say his top townread was wrong, and his other townread and his mistaken scumread vote were right and yes, get Imp gone... whoops, I was right about Imp being town, argh!

Spoiler: Fond memories back to: (click to show/hide)

Juicebox, you're so quiet, I feel kinda scared.  You've seen what you wanna see and have nothing to say, no reassurance or clues to offer - so you're the worst of the worst, right?  Just here for the night game, and nothing else splatters?

Imp don't be scared, I can offer you some reassurance. I'm not an sk or a cultist or anything like that. I don't mean you any harm at all.

The main reason I'm not speaking is that I'm not entirely sure what to say or what questions to ask. I'm used to working together with town to find scum, and this is an altogether different situation. As soon as I figure out what to do and how to navigate this I'll get a little more talkative.

Great Wall of Imp

I don't want to reveal too much about my wincon, but nobody seems to be opposed to it.

I don't think I can win early.

Can we just get a rundown of everyone's win conditions and special limitations? At this point I think it's stupid to be hiding it, even though not everyone can win together.

In particular, I want to clarify differences — for example, it seems Tric needs to act or be acted upon by anyone, but Vermin specifically needs to act on everyone?

I need to heal/protect three people in order to win. Last night I protected CM, to stop the vampire from targeting them.

At this point, I think the best vote is CM, they're being quite defensive right now. I think there's a strong possibility that they're the vampire, and I'd honestly prefer my wincon to stay the same.

I also want to say concerning my inactivity that because of this new job and factors pertaining to it that I have a lot less free time than I did previously. I'll try to remain as active as I can, but I probably won't be able to post a whole lot more than I am right now.

Well there's no reason to hide anymore so, basically, everything that Tric said about me is true. I am the vampire. My wincon is simply to kill Imp.

That being said, I am very willing to cooperate, and I think that we can all win. I have some semblance of a plan on how we can do that, but I need to know exactly how Tric's delay works first

I don't really trust juicebox here. Why should I believe his wincon is to kill Imp when he has lied about it once already?

I only lied about my wincon so as not to arouse suspicion from CM. Now that their gone, I no longer have any reason to hide anything. Like I said, I'm very willing to cooperate.

And all that was hilarious and great because we could have all won together... and most of us did.  Sorry we didn't manage to sweep CrystalizedMire into the winpile too... we almost did.

Love how you play, Juice.  But if you swing onto my hammer, it'll prolly look sus.  Not my problem, I'll be dead, flipped, and hoping Town can finish sorting this mess out with all the additional info.  Note I would prefer to survive today, and am more useful to town alive than dead.... if only a little.

Postcounts!

I can yammer on almost as freely as Tric!

We all can.  EP has the most posts, 31 today.  I'm second with 27, counting this one.

I still have some stress about post counts (like I'm counting them, EP as host scared me bad when he caught me breaking his 25/day rule... I didn't mean it but whaaaaa and now I am counting like crazy cause I do that once I learn).  But there's only a few hours left.  I even think this was a fine Tric post, his 13th:

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I mean... it's all good in the hood?  I hope.  I pray.  So much is bet on town.  Let it ride....

[EuchreJack]

I think Juice and Hyper need to make their cases against their suspects.

Of course, I sorta just skimmed the thread, so my apologies if this has already been done.

[Imp]

I think Juice and Hyper need to make their cases against their suspects.

Of course, I sorta just skimmed the thread, so my apologies if this has already been done.

I'm only being helpful cause I'm tense and somehow I have posts to burn.

I absolutely want those people to answer the questions themselves, but they might not be here before EoD and I might be dead before I can help anyone notice anything, so NOW! with my 33 anxious posts remaining, oh how I can yammer paces frantically.

note: this is for only messages before my first long one. i will make an updated on right now, just posting what i had in draft.
now for my thoughts, and not an activity check post
as i said, auction is most likely a recurring thing. once we’ve chosen our lynch, we can test out sherif on them, assuming they are amiable to the notion of being that guinea pig.

Elephant Parade (EP?) ive not seen you before, i have very little experience here. how would you describe your playstyle falling under? using ‘vibes’ to form general suspicions about players, or deducting them and what they say throughout the game? a different way altogether? based on what i’ve read in your messages this game, i can say you at least partially fall under both, albeit general suspicions taking priority.

NQT do you play the same in every game? how often and to which degree do you differ your playstyle? you havent really said much so i cant give any opinion, but im one to talk… hope you get better soon.

Jack why claim family genre? is it that important right away - as in, so you desperately need coordinating within your genre? what about other genres?
also, who doesn’t want smithy at this stage though, ha.
i do agree that it probably isn’t very worth it d1.

NJW i agree with a large majority on the general topic of the game itself you’ve said, especially coordinating. if mafia own the night, giving actions, or attempting to circumvent their actions gives - as FOU said - a roadmap for scum. additionally, i have no clue if your personal reads are correct, so i’ll question: how often do you think you read correctly? are you confident in either leading, or giving suggestions?

Verm i have no questions about you, just a statement that you seem very laid back here, which is different from how you played mostly vanilla 4, my only experience (at all) with you.

CM upfront with role info, and confident in plays. very little to go off of though - once again, who am i to say, hopefully i will be after tomorrow. my first concrete d1 read of town.

FoU an off topic but somewhat related question: i see you’re very active when i look at  your posts. how is that? is it a lot to handle or have you settled in just fine?
on topic: you seem to be able to read people already. why is that?

Tric what confidence! seems very fast and loose, leaning scum, but not enough content to actually say or imply anything yet. i can’t believe it, but i have light aggro on you d1 again. i cant really describe it, but i’ll leave you alone this game for now because you seem trustworthy. hopefully (ha).
why did you take darkroom? do you not care about your vote and wanted to get the ball rolling, or is it related to your role?

juicebox you have sent but a single message, so i’m willing to put my vote on you.

Imp there is already so much content to read here, is this normal - last game, was it mitigated? the auction is a very powerful tool. how often will we be able to use it though? is it a d/n1 thing? if the auction is as powerful as complete protection in lieu of a d1 vote (when we can settle on someone then take auction), why wouldn’t we touch the auction. i’m not connected to the auction also. your reads seem reasonable but same as last, don’t make much immediate sense to me. very in depth talking with elephant. send me the cliff notes? (ha).

side-note: is auction even the right way to describe it? more like a tiered marketplace. or sequential buy-in.

Okay, so reads.

Let's do the easiest first.

I'm reading Imp as town here. They're playing well within their town meta in my opinion. They are contributing quite a lot to the discussion and they have also been pretty forthcoming with information

I also think that NJW is town as well. I like what they've been posting and their reads list appears to be well thought out.

Hyper, on the other hand is a scumlean for me. Being inactive for a good portion of the day and then voting someone else who is inactive when prodded is not a good look.

Elephant Parade I'm also scumleaning as well. I don't like that they're tunneling Imp, who is my main town read, and I also don't like how they have been pushing people to participate in the auction but haven't really committed to it themselves. It definitely could be a ploy to get town to use up their votes and get more voting power for the scumteam

Vermillion is another slight townlean, while they're posts haven't been amazing, their laser focus on getting hospital and willingness to share information do seem township to me

EuchreJack is a slight townlean for me. They have some decent posts, they seem to be starting to form some reads .

CM, is null for me while their focus on the auction to the detriment of scumhunting is a bit suspicious, I don't thinknthat's really enough to scumread them for.

Fallacy is also null, they have been unusually quiet, and they're not up to their usual shenanigans, but I think I need to see a bit more from them before I townread them.

Tric is a hard one for me. While their play to take Darkroom is within their town meta, I have a gut feeling that this may be scumTric using their town meta as a smokescreen. Only a slight scumlean for now, but I definitely have my eyes on them

And finally NQT. They're always a hard one for me to read. I think in this case they're a slight townlean. They've also been focused on the auction, but unlike Elephant Parade, they've actually been willing to use their vote in the auction which makes me trust them more

Hope that helps ya, Jack!

[Elephant Parade]

@EP - no. I kinda see Tric’s point here.

I can see the logic but it would annoy me to No Lynch simply because scum might have control of the lynch.

[Imp]

I also choose to point out that most players have made some claim about mech knowledge for us.

Ignoring anything related to the auction except for Crystal's statements about responsibility for it -

Imp, Hyper, Tric, FoU, Jack, Crystal, and Verm have all made 1+ specific statements about their own mech or game mech - leaving only NJW, NQT, EP, and Juice as having made no claims I see about specific mech.

EP, amusingly made this initial self-claim:

My activity may be spotty this game. Please bear with me.

Glad that didn't happen yet, EP, unless spotty means more spots than a leopard, which I'm cool with

And NJW made this... weird evasive set of intertwined non-claims.

I am keeping something back that I will probably talk about at some point.

The genres do seem potentially quite powerful, and I'm still trying to work out all the implications of claiming mine... I don't see any visible downside at the moment, and there's a lot of upside if it works out well. There's a potential for scum WIFOM, but otherwise I think it's a pretty ok idea to claim at the end of the day or earlier.

I'm definitely going to wait until everyone's had a chance to post though, in case there's something I'm not seeing about the situation. If nobody else wants to talk about it yet, I'm willing to go along with that.

It looks like people have decided to keep quiet about the thing I said I'd talk about at some point. So I won't talk about it today unless a thing happens towards the end of the day that makes it necessary to talk about. I'm aware this sounds like complete nonsense to a lot of players, but if so, just don't worry about it.

To my thinking... players should claim what they think helps their wincon.  I presume what NJW has said and not said serves NJW's wincon to the best of NJW's understanding.

I am not fishing.  I trust you to know what you are doing, and to do what you think serves your goals best.  That applies no matter what your alignment is.  I won't like you more or less if you claim some mech now.  I probably won't think you're more or less likely to be town.... see.

It isn't uncommon for the mafia to be given notes at the start of the game so that they know what to expect. See also, rule 1. Also, see rule 2.

Which is why I have some townreads based on mech but confusion.  But we all know my fondness for Warehouse 13-related stuff... and knowledge fits that even when town.  Even if it's a little or a lot confusing.

And when I've not picked WH13... I've picked other awesome informative stuff.  Sorry, I'm just town that knows a lot.  But scum know a lot too, we're told that it may be uncommon for mafia to not be given notes so they know what to expect.

That could... empower realistic claims, based on what actual town have as their roles and see in other flips.  Course... maf have to guess what lie to make... I was sure sweating that for hyper and myself last game, where I picked the lie of 'bad knee' for me and the lie of 'vengeful' for him, so we would match what town likely had better.  I was slow to claim those limitations, and really thought a lot about it.

Wonder what other maf do.  I expect you to play to your wincon at all times, everyone.  And you can rush to claim or slow to claim or whatever you think helps your wincon.  Everyone will read every bit of it and decide the best they can about what it all means.  So... don't feel pushed, NJW, about what you said/not said early about your claim/not claim.  I'm just... making sure some of the more spots than a leopard shine on stuff that may matter and might get missed.

[Elephant Parade]

When have I ever claimed role information D1? I noticed a lot of people were sharing things, but I didn't think anything I had to share (including things along the lines of what other people were sharing) would help Town to share now, or I would have shared it.

EP, amusingly made this initial self-claim:

My activity may be spotty this game. Please bear with me.

Glad that didn't happen yet, EP, unless spotty means more spots than a leopard, which I'm cool with

I said 'this game,' not 'this Day.' I don't like to get into my personal circumstances, but something came up between my signing up and the game starting; tomorrow, I'm travelling to visit some close family going through a difficult time, whom I will most likely be staying with for the remainder of the game. This will likely affect my activity, hence my warning as much at the beginning of the game. I would like to end this line of conversation here.

[TricMagic]

Elephant, are you this devoted to getting Imp lynched you thunderdome yourself?

[Elephant Parade]

If I were interested in thunderdoming, would I have offered to lynch FoU or VS instead? Imp is just the only one of my top suspects to be active.

[Elephant Parade]

Ironically, I now strongly believe that you're town, because you have scumread me in literally every town game we've shared (not counting the one where you were daykilled D1).

Oh, bit late but:

Everyone who has purchased from the auction: Who would you vote right now if you could?

[Imp]

Ironically, I now strongly believe that you're town, because you have scumread me in literally every town game we've shared (not counting the one where you were daykilled D1).

Oh, bit late but:

Everyone who has purchased from the auction: Who would you vote right now if you could?

NJW, still fear is most dangerous maf alive.