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Author Topic: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - GAME OVER - Mafia Team Murder Victory?  (Read 16579 times)

FallacyofUrist

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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - D4 - Secrets Revealed
« Reply #795 on: December 14, 2024, 08:50:16 pm »

Yes, I'm definitely not an anti-town cat ear headband arsonist serial killer out to blow you all to smithereens

Haha

Why would I ever be a cat ear headband arsonist serial killer

Forget I said anything
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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - D4 - Secrets Revealed
« Reply #796 on: December 14, 2024, 08:51:16 pm »

"even if you're anti-town I want you winning" -- by second wincon, if that's a real claim; you're out of play and town can win that way.
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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - D4 - Secrets Revealed
« Reply #797 on: December 14, 2024, 08:53:45 pm »

Well, really, if I'm not present, you won't be able to vote out Verm, so I do want to be present. The headband thing is just a backup plan.
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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - D4 - Secrets Revealed
« Reply #798 on: December 14, 2024, 08:54:58 pm »

Yes, I'm definitely not an anti-town cat ear headband arsonist serial killer out to blow you all to smithereens

Haha

Why would I ever be a cat ear headband arsonist serial killer

Forget I said anything

It's okay.  I'm very much between the devil and the deep blue sea, and I know for sure at least one of those two roles and attitudes is anti-town or else the game would be over already.

I note that you know I wore a headband, and you're anxious to get one on everyone else's head, not really urgent towards me.  Maybe because I already got your earwhatever in my brain, and you don't need to tag me twice.

What are my options?

I have one source of faith that can't shake:

the game ends when there is no more uncertainty over who will win.

Maybe just maybe there's a chance town can still win.  For sure, there's some uncertainty about at least 1 wincon being able to win or not.
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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - D4 - Secrets Revealed
« Reply #799 on: December 14, 2024, 09:02:45 pm »

Well, let me walk you through my reasoning a bit.

Town wincon is my first priority, headbands is my backup plan.

EuchreJack revives Verm, we can't prevent that. Alas.

Verm will either be able to kill, or not be able to kill, during Night 4.

If he's not able to kill, we execute him on Day 5, 1.8 to 1.1 or whatever. Town wins.

If he is able to kill, then either you are somehow able to stop it - and see above, for that.

But if he's able to kill, and you can't stop it, who does he kill?

He can either kill you, or kill me, but if he kills me, Second Chance goes off, and whatever that does might interfere with the mafia wincon.

Thus, the safe play is to kill you. You die, I headband him, I win.
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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - D4 - Secrets Revealed
« Reply #800 on: December 14, 2024, 09:10:19 pm »

Well, let me walk you through my reasoning a bit.

Town wincon is my first priority, headbands is my backup plan.

EuchreJack revives Verm, we can't prevent that. Alas.

Verm will either be able to kill, or not be able to kill, during Night 4.

If he's not able to kill, we execute him on Day 5, 1.8 to 1.1 or whatever. Town wins.

If he is able to kill, then either you are somehow able to stop it - and see above, for that.

But if he's able to kill, and you can't stop it, who does he kill?

He can either kill you, or kill me, but if he kills me, Second Chance goes off, and whatever that does might interfere with the mafia wincon.

Thus, the safe play is to kill you. You die, I headband him, I win.

And if you need everyone alive headbanded to win like that, then if somehow Verm fails to kill, only he has the headband, not me, so you stay in play.

And if someone other than verm is brought back, again, you hat them with give (presuming they can wear a hat, one can hope for you, but I'd pick EP to bring back; he is dead before end of day thus eligible for the wager to res)

Nothing I know of can stop you from using your double give to hat both other people, but maybe you don't have a second hat or maybe you choose to try and support the chance of a town win, yay.

At if nothing else, Verm's mafiakill on me might be exactly the change I am made for and will auto-help town's situation; kinda like apparently Toony's res-ability (that may not have existed as-is from the start of play, with that weird hat sphere) kicked in and saved me then.

Be interesting to find out if we need to.
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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - D4 - Secrets Revealed
« Reply #801 on: December 14, 2024, 09:12:17 pm »

Anyways, time to sit here and wait for the apocalypse.
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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - D4 - Secrets Revealed
« Reply #802 on: December 14, 2024, 09:21:43 pm »

Anyways, time to sit here and wait for the apocalypse.

Indeed.  Thanks for all this planning, liked it.  Wonder what happens as we reach the end of the show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urs2f_XHSLQ
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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - N4 - Whackamole
« Reply #803 on: December 15, 2024, 11:26:11 am »

End of Day Four

The day ran down with a whimper. The target was clear, they just needed to speed up the clock a bit. Like a bad penny, with one scum down, another appeared...

Vote Count:
- Imp - Euchrejack (1.5) = [1.5]
- Euchrejack - Imp (0.9), FallacyofUrist (0.9) = [1.8]
- FallacyofUrist

Euchrejack was eliminated. Euchrejack was Mafia, Team Murder

Spoiler: Euchrejack (click to show/hide)

Vermillion Skies has been resurrected from a wager!

(See here for Elephant Parade's flip.)

Trades

Fallacy Trade Hypnotic Cat Ear Headband to Imp in exchange for Poltergust 3000.

No Trade.
See:
The most recent trade takes priority, and so feel free to submit replacement offers. "Withdraw trade" is not a valid trade offer.



Night 4

Players:

- Imp
- FallacyofUrist
- VermillionSkies

Night Ends in 24 hours (discounting weekends) or when all actions are in.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2024, 11:36:04 am by notquitethere »
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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - GAME OVER
« Reply #804 on: December 15, 2024, 05:00:50 pm »

Night Four

Imp is infected.

When the dust settles, the warlocks see ahead to multiple horrible futures. Some knew they had definitely won, others definitely lost; for the rest, the possibilities were decidedly more hazy.



TIMELINE ONE

Day Five

Vermilion is voted out, but resurrects Euchrejack (who has .3 of a vote left).

Night Five

Euchrejack mafiakills Fallacy. Imp dies of infection. The game ends before any mroe Second Chances kick in.

Day Six

If somehow Imp or Fallacy survived (maybe EJ forgets Imp was infected and kills her), neither can hammer due to votes being nerfed, so Euchrejack daykills the other player before the day ends and mafia win.

Victory for Mafia: Team Murder.

Town lose.

Mafia, Team Gains lose.

TIMELINE TWO

I could have decides that Vermillion shouldn't have been resurrectable as his corpse was destroyed: in which case, town would instantly win. That would have been in keeping with how corpse destruction is usually handled (in Supernatural, say). I just didn't think to write that rule clarification when I wrote the resurrection rule for Revolving Door. If you feel in your heart that this was an inconsistent mistake, then feel free to consider this timeline canonical with a Town Win.

TIMELINE THREE

If Fallacy had given the hat he's wearing to Vermillion, he would auto-wear his new hat on Day Five. If that had happened, and Imp hadn't have destroyed her hat, or if Fallacy had worked with Vermillion to get rid of Imp after giving Vermillion a hat, then Fallacy could have won his second wincon. But he didn't.

TIMELINE FOUR

If Vermillion had used the Bullshit Hammer on Fallacy, the resurrection effect would have ended, Vermillion would have been voted out, and the game would win with a Town Win.

TIMELINE FIVE

If Vermillion had mutated someone's ability tonight it could have added some effect that could have swung the game for town, but he didn't.

TIMELINE SIX

Earlier, Imp could have acted to get the book back, and then fired it off. With its current spread of powers, it wouldn't have helped, but if other things had been different, perhaps??



Spoiler: Imp (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Fallacy (click to show/hide)

I've unprivated all the threads on the discord. In the SpoilSpec, you can see the original roles.

Spoiler: Some quick thoughts (click to show/hide)
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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - GAME OVER - Mafia Team Murder Victory?
« Reply #805 on: December 15, 2024, 05:07:02 pm »

Another successful operation!
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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - GAME OVER - Mafia Team Murder Victory?
« Reply #806 on: December 15, 2024, 05:09:32 pm »

Neat setup but starting the game with 5/10 living players as scum was evil lol

Other thoughts:
- My role wasn't what I expected, but I liked it
- ToonyMan was like an SK- since he was powering a gamewide effect town hated and he had to worry about the infectious second wincon taking someone out of the game
- I think Second Wincon makes town play less like town and that's bad. I liked Egan's shtick but on the whole the sphere should go
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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - GAME OVER - Mafia Team Murder Victory?
« Reply #807 on: December 15, 2024, 05:18:58 pm »

Yeah it’s a bit harsh that town hit scum for the first three deaths and still lost, but dems da breaks.
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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - GAME OVER - Mafia Team Murder Victory?
« Reply #808 on: December 15, 2024, 05:21:16 pm »

Yeah, I think second wincon makes it too swingy. I was maybe a little evil having so many scum: I thought all the crossfire would whittle everyone down in an equal-opportunity way but scum weren't eager to mafiakill.
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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - GAME OVER - Mafia Team Murder Victory?
« Reply #809 on: December 15, 2024, 05:32:13 pm »

... was the revolving door effect my fault??

Good game all. Anyone want to play Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4? It features roleflips and simple, reasonable roles.
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