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[Egan_BW]

we all gotta keep that posts per day metric pumped up somehow

[Maximum Spin]

Feels like we need a subforum-wide moratorium on joining mafia games and then complaining about having to play mafia tbh

[Jim Groovester]

Hector was destroyed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm5Zyeb68KQ

If you have a way to grant me items it would be really handy if you could give them to me.

My role is not traditionally powerful but if my analysis about it is correct it's pretty damn good. Having items to burn should help me get my game going.

Hey, ghostie Jim.

Is this still true for you, even after death?

As far as I know, yes, I can still eat items.

TBH, ghost producer is either Toony if he's lying or EP, I think. Maybe I forgot somebody, don't care if so.

Enough people can directly vouch for my role that it should be a given that it's not me. Tric certainly knows for sure it isn't me, right?

I'm inclined to agree with this based on what Max claimed in the private chat with him and me and Tric and ToonyMan.

Unless Max is lying his ass off, but what can you do.

Whoever possesses the role traits that Max claimed in private chat are likely not the ghostmaker.



I've been pretty disengaged from the game ever since JACK SHOT ME FOR NO FUCKING REASON

Of the players alive I don't think it's Imp or ToonyMan. There are universes where I can believe it's not FoU. I think Jack is playing like absolute garbage and Elephant Parade is also unimpressive, and while I've read Max as town during previous days the longer the game goes on where his deductions don't lead to progress on ridding the game of scum the more suspicious he becomes.

I'd shoot within Jack and EP for Day 3 if I had a vote. Probably Jack.

[Imp]

Are you aware that you've posted 25 times in the last nine and a half hours

Wasn't counting.  Still am not.  Most of the posts are pretty short.

[Maximum Spin]

Of the players alive I don't think it's Imp or ToonyMan. There are universes where I can believe it's not FoU. I think Jack is playing like absolute garbage and Elephant Parade is also unimpressive, and while I've read Max as town during previous days the longer the game goes on where his deductions don't lead to progress on ridding the game of scum the more suspicious he becomes.

I'd shoot within Jack and EP for Day 3 if I had a vote. Probably Jack.

I don't think we lose if we lynch FoU, EP, and Jack in whatever order feels most necessary. I'm leaning trusting EP least since he's claimed nothing memorable at all. But then again, from his perspective, neither have I.

[Elephant Parade]

CM does not appear to be in the building so I'll just claim.

I'm a Sphere Grid, specifically the one from FF10. My path was Mass-Effect -> Cascade -> Mutation -> Progressive -> Selfless -> Improve. I have two active abilities:

1) Level Up: Give the target a random sphere adjacent to their current path, along with an ability based on that sphere.
2) Inefficient Sphere Pick: Take two of the target's abilities at random and swap their blue spheres, changing their effects; this change affects any actions they perform this night.

I'm also inorganic (no fruit). More interestingly, I have an ability called XP Rewards. The first time I act on someone other than myself in a phase, they're (I think silently?) marked for the phase. Any time they're acted on by a player (including the action that marked them), that player is affected by Level Up.

I decided the best thing to do was to use Inefficient Sphere Pick on my scumreads to screw with them and hopefully give fellow townies abilities (under the assumption that, relatively speaking, town players were likely to target scum and scum players town). N1 I targeted CM, which is why I kept pestering her about only claiming one of her abilities being changed. This is presumably where the (Hat) ability in Hector's flip came from, though I don't think he ever claimed receiving it (not that anyone asked). N2 I targeted Toony.

So far my ability has given me (1) a Sign Hat I can put an auto into, giving it that auto when worn (and taking the current auto for myself if any -- currently it has none because I haven't done anything with it), and (2) a Selfish protective auto that I won't describe because that would make it kind of pointless.

[Imp]

Of the players alive I don't think it's Imp or ToonyMan. There are universes where I can believe it's not FoU. I think Jack is playing like absolute garbage and Elephant Parade is also unimpressive, and while I've read Max as town during previous days the longer the game goes on where his deductions don't lead to progress on ridding the game of scum the more suspicious he becomes.

I'd shoot within Jack and EP for Day 3 if I had a vote. Probably Jack.

I don't think we lose if we lynch FoU, EP, and Jack in whatever order feels most necessary. I'm leaning trusting EP least since he's claimed nothing memorable at all. But then again, from his perspective, neither have I.

Up to post 400ish, only thing I catch EP claiming is the gain of 0.1 vote.

However.  What do you think of EP's scumhunting and overall play?  Can include lack of claims in that, but the whole picture.

I'm not hunting the ghostmaker.  I see pros and cons to there being a ghostmaker.

Y'all can call me deadly dangerous because that book entered play with me, and say I have to die.  Whenever I finally get to flip, I flip town, no matter how scary that book that entered play with me.

The one flip we saw so far was scary as heck, and town.

If there's an anti-town healer, protector, all-around-awesome abilities.  I want and need them dead.  I need to find anti-town.

I have played in flipless games, twice, off in MU-land.  Witchhunt.  I did really well.  Both as town (first game) and scum (second game).  Among my favorite games, and the only two I liked that I haven't played on B12.  Amusingly, while the dead in that game aren't ghosts, they are angels and demons, and they have a huge effect on the living's game, they absolutely can help guide the game to victory for their side and the strats of the dead really matter.

So, I can deal with ghostmaker, or try.  I only care if they're anti-town.  They could be; but I want anti-town outta the living pool, I am not even slightly confused about that.

[Elephant Parade]

2) Inefficient Sphere Pick: Take two of the target's abilities at random and swap their blue spheres, changing their effects; this change affects any actions they perform this night.

To clarify, the swap isn't guaranteed to affect actions in use, but if it does, they'll use the modified effects.

[Imp]

2) Inefficient Sphere Pick: Take two of the target's abilities at random and swap their blue spheres, changing their effects; this change affects any actions they perform this night.

Messing with probable anti-town is likely more useful than anything else you can do.

However, this sounds like a change.  If you ever run out of ideas what to do, either of your abilities sound like they're more likely to help rather than further limit me.

That said, we're pretty far into the game.  There may not be time enough to care, unless you legit have nothing better to do.  But I'd feel remiss if I didn't mention.  My abilities are so weird that 'inefficient Sphere (re)Pick' might be quite nice, lol.

[FallacyofUrist]

Sigh.

The scum are Toony and Max. The ghostmaker is one of the two.

In this essay I will...


Have you ever noticed how Toony and Max's votes are eerily in sync?

Gonna go out on a limb here. Elephant Parade.

Gonna go out on a limb here. Elephant Parade.

FoU hasn't gained any traction and I'm not a huge fan of the people voting Vermilion or Crystal.

Elephant Parade, stop picking on the newbies.

Exhibit A.

yeah so it's CrystalizedMire who's messing with the dead I think

EP, if it's not you, it's almost certainly CM, I've been keeping track of spheres

Crystalizedmire yeah

Exhibit B.

Additionally, they haven't ever voted for each other, not even once.


Do I need to cover their weird fixation on me? Fine.

Max:

I mean, I would.
Dead's dead, I'd consider my obligation to the game fulfilled. Weird that you're still posting tbh.

Anyway FallacyofUrist.

I'm not the ghostmaker. I've demonstrated on multiple levels that I'm not and can't be the ghostmaker.

Until the ghostmaker is executed, every single execution is a shot in the dark.

"Hey, don't look at me, look at some OTHER guy who may not even be scum but sounds shady!", the traditional scum Fallacy argument

I don't think we lose if we lynch FoU, EP, and Jack in whatever order feels most necessary. I'm leaning trusting EP least since he's claimed nothing memorable at all. But then again, from his perspective, neither have I.

Max has not bothered to compose a case showing that I am scum.

Somebody tell me if I missed any cool games since the last time I played in

January apparently.

There was the first Choose Your Own Spheres where I single-handedly defeated the entire mafia team with just my blue balls.

Also I bet FoU is mafia again.

Not Town
FoU - mafia until proven otherwise

If I wasn't voting FoU I would most likely be voting Max, with Elephant Parade/Vermilion/Crystal as a third in that order.

Regarding FoU:
FoU is still a bad dude.

I don't mind that ToonyMan scum reads me. I am very, very easy to scum read, and my role is sussy. Contrary to popular belief, I am not always scum, though.

I do mind that ToonyMan is posting full read reasoning for Tric and Imp (reads I agree with, honestly), but not for Jack and Jim.

I feel like if you're saying someone is probably town you need more than just vibes.


Maximum Spin is hiding in the shadows.

This has bad dude written all over it.

If I believe spooky ghost Hector then I want to say there's at least two mafia inside FoU/Elephant/Crystal/Vermilion.

FoU - Not really. It looks like they started with a meme suspicion on you, and then worked backwards to justify that after the fact... which is odd? It either implies external knowledge, external motivation, or sloppy play, which doesn't make much sense with the rest of their posting.

My FoU vote is dead serious. There is a statistically very high chance that FoU is mafia here, besides being mafia in the previous CYOS (which I backed off of on D1 thanks in part to their scum buddy Max persuading me) Fallacy is usually mafia. Nothing they have said so far has swayed me otherwise either.

Given the choice between Vermilion and Crystal I would rather vote Vermilion because Elephant has Crystal lower. I can't say I have a great read of either player though. Are they better than a FoU vote? I don't think so.

Yeah, my money is on FoU. Maybe Elephant or Vermilion okay vote too. I like Tric and Imp the most still. Jack and Jim not as sure. I'm pretty sure about Egan, but they're ghost anyway. Hector is more suspicious, but ghost anyway.

It just goes on...

I'm willing to vote FoU, Elephant, Crystal, or Vermilion although I prefer FoU the most. I can probably be convinced to vote Crystal or Vermilion over Elephant but I don't want to right now.

And on...

Screw it, I want FoU and Vermilion blood. I would be dramatic and vote Vermilion here but I think they're at 5 votes so a 6th would be hammer.

And on.........

@Fallacy:
This is literally what you did as mafia in the Webadict/Max/FoU game, you were there! I would pull all the posts showing the near identical-ism, but there's not much day time left.

I'd like to request that anyone trying to use meta tells to read me... don't. It's fantastically unreliable, especially when I play differently every game, with a flair for the dramatic being one of the only constant elements.

It's way too funny to pull Gambler's Fallacy on Fallacy when the facts line up!

Also Fallacy, eat Elephant poop. Consider this a vote for Vermilion though.

what facts

I don't think Vermilion or Crystal are scum from what I'm seeing. Out of living players I suspect FoU and Elephant the most strongly. I need to make more assessments though.

To be completely honest, the fact that Toony keeps flip-flopping in reads on players like Verm, Elephant, and Crystal is probably the scummiest thing, but right now I'm just annoyed that he's been fixating on me with no evidence all game.

Suspicious
Hector - probably scum, I think they're being unhelpful to cause trouble, the fact they spent the effort to say "As for me being dead… I thought I already mentioned that…?" instead of just politely explaining is bad manners. Possibly mafia-ally, possibly the one causing the ghosts to help the mafia in the first place, since Hector started the game as a ghost themselves
FoU - probably scum, tunneling me for "bad reasoning/votes" and being overly-dramatic which is their scumtell

Fallacy Comparison:
CYOS1 (FoU is mafia with Web/Max)
FoU nags me for only providing minor details for my town reads and no reasoning for my scum picks. FoU votes me. Gets confrontational and heated with me. "I know Toony is going to give me hell for this, but I don't care, I've caught scum."

CYOS2 (unknown)
FoU votes me. FoU calls my votes shit and to explain my reasoning. Gets confrontational and theatrical. "I'm finally calm. Isn't this what you always wanted, Toony?"

As noted, I'm always overly dramatic. Toony doesn't bother to use any evidence other than meta-tells and vibes, and also doesn't bother to use any of my (few) town games for comparison.

Probably FoU or Elephant unless I'm wrong.

I don't believe any dead players are actually scum, besides possibly Hector.

Out of living players:

Imp - probably town
Crystal - probably town

Max
Elephant
Jack
FoU

I was going to say I think it's either FoU/Elephant (with Hector?) or Jack/Max (with Hector?), but Elephant is agreeing with me about FoU. I need to reassess and look at Max and Jack more specifically since I have not done so.

As a reminder, Hector flipped town. Shockingly.

Toony has not bothered to investigate Max much. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Behaviorally, I strongly believe that FoU is scum, however I don't believe they can be the ghostmaker so I'm not sure it's the best vote.

Anyways.


Actually, there's a very simple theory that neatly explains Toony's bizarre fixation on me.

ToonyMan is a third-party executioner that needs me dead to win.

Problem solved.

Maximum Spin is the ghostmaker.

[ToonyMan]

FoU I don't really care about voting you today. Maybe you're scum, maybe you're not. It doesn't really matter right now.

I'm totally down for Max or Elephant today though.

[FallacyofUrist]

I believe that's the very first time you've actually considered voting for Max.

[ToonyMan]

And by totally down, I mean I doubt I'm voting anyone but Max or Elephant today. I would actually vote them, but I don't want to end day prematurely again.

Elephant's claim sounds good. I am happy with it. Now I need to determine if it's Max or Elephant, you don't understand the joy this brings me.

[ToonyMan]

I believe that's the very first time you've actually considered voting for Max.

There's not many choices left. Scum was nice enough to remove Hector for us and I'm quite convinced that Imp, Jack, and yourself are not the ghostmaker. I might even consider you not scum FoU! Wow! We could possibly win together!

[FallacyofUrist]

What a nightmare that would be.