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[Imp]

Also, the reason why I don't want the lost page anymore is because it changed one of my abilities in a negative way.

CrystalizedMire, details about this might be helpful.

What happened to your ability, and why do you think the happening is connected to the page?

If that ability name ended up on the page, and the ability changed - that is not something the page says it does when it gains an ability name.  And there's nothing in my role that tells me anything about pages affecting or changing a person's abilities, copied ones or not.

But something happened to you, you say negative way.  Let's learn about it, maybe we can connect the dots.

[Imp]

Screw it, I want FoU and Vermilion blood. I would be dramatic and vote Vermilion here but I think they're at 5 votes so a 6th would be hammer.

Hilarious that Toons carefully didn't risk hammering Verm and did join in 'what?' hammer of CrystalizedMire.

[Maximum Spin]

I'm not a ghost maker. The people I've visited can confirm all of my blue spheres, I believe.

Yeah, I can. Given that someone has the ability to destroy corpses so ghosts can't resurrect (countering you), and you've previously claimed progressive somehow or other that I forgot, I assume you have super, progressive, mass effect, vulnerability, counter, second wincon. Ez.

[Maximum Spin]

TBH, ghost producer is either Toony if he's lying or EP, I think. Maybe I forgot somebody, don't care if so.

Enough people can directly vouch for my role that it should be a given that it's not me. Tric certainly knows for sure it isn't me, right?

[Imp]

I'm not a ghost maker. The people I've visited can confirm all of my blue spheres, I believe.

Yeah, I can. Given that someone has the ability to destroy corpses so ghosts can't resurrect (countering you), and you've previously claimed progressive somehow or other that I forgot, I assume you have super, progressive, mass effect, vulnerability, counter, second wincon. Ez.

The claim/idea that destroyed corpses prevent ghosts from res is... where does that come from?

Verm apparently has a missing corpse, but I don't see him saying anything about if he can res or not.

Hector was outright destroyed, which may or may not have anything to do with his corpse - but Verm wasn't destroyed (yet) despite the missing corpse.

Also, the item I randomly got from Imp kinda terrifies me and I'm glad I lost it during the night somehow.

It's probably late enough in the game we need to know more about this.

FoU, you 'lost' the book, and Egan ended up with it.  Do you know how you 'lost' it, like did you give or free-give it, or was it a mystery to you how you lost it?

[Egan_BW]

I haven't claimed Progressive as far as I remember, because I don't have it, I went through cascade instead. And I went for Distributed even though I didn't have to, because it's a fun sphere. Though Distributed seems to only show up as my (counter) (distributed) adversary, and I'm not sure what distributed adds there that's not just part of counter?

[Egan_BW]

Hector was outright destroyed, which may or may not have anything to do with his corpse - but Verm wasn't destroyed (yet) despite the missing corpse.

"Destroyed" seems to just be the term used for "killing" ghosts, since they can't be said to be killed when they already count as dead. Terminology borrowed from DnD's undead. Since ghosts in flavor and practice from verm seem to be separate entities from their corpses, I'd say that destruction targets only the ghost and leaves the body untouched.

[Maximum Spin]

The claim/idea that destroyed corpses prevent ghosts from res is... where does that come from?

Day 1 opener

{Ghost}: Ghost players don't go to deadchat. Ghost players can keep posting in the thread and any chats but they do not have a vote and cannot be voted out. Ghost players can use actions, wear hats and eat fruit. Ghost players cannot use a mafiakill. Ghost players cannot trade (though they may still Gift). Ghost players can be targeted by actions. Ghost player can gain most conditions. A player who turns into a ghost won't flip until they die properly, are destroyed or otherwise leave the game. A ghost cannot be resurrected if their corpse is destroyed. A ghost has the mod's permission to ignore the thread and not post if they want to: they won't be modkilled for persistent absence. Ghost status is public and this condition is public if there are any ghosts.

I haven't claimed Progressive as far as I remember, because I don't have it, I went through cascade instead. And I went for Distributed even though I didn't have to, because it's a fun sphere. Though Distributed seems to only show up as my (counter) (distributed) adversary, and I'm not sure what distributed adds there that's not just part of counter?

yeah fair enough, I don't remember why I thought you claimed it so I'm probably misremembering.

Anyway, on slightly more reflection, Egan probably is the reason ghosts exist and can be resurrected. It's a global effect keeping your wincon alive, right? Like the power you gave me.

[Maximum Spin]

FoU, you 'lost' the book, and Egan ended up with it.  Do you know how you 'lost' it, like did you give or free-give it, or was it a mystery to you how you lost it?

FoU actively claimed free-giving it btw

[Egan_BW]

I mean, maybe. It feels a bit wacky to me that there can be global effects active which nobody knows where they come from or how to interact with it. I'd expect any effects created by Second Chance to actually attach themselves to someone, and they'd be able to see it.

[Egan_BW]

And I don't think that everyone being ghosts is really required for my wincon, unless it's supposed to be a thing where I like convince someone to resurrect me?

[Maximum Spin]

I mean, maybe. It feels a bit wacky to me that there can be global effects active which nobody knows where they come from or how to interact with it. I'd expect any effects created by Second Chance to actually attach themselves to someone, and they'd be able to see it.

And I don't think that everyone being ghosts is really required for my wincon, unless it's supposed to be a thing where I like convince someone to resurrect me?

yeah from the wording of Second Chance I think it genuinely could be exactly this. If you post the full content of your abilities we may have a better idea, and I don't really think this would be dangerous right now. Like what's the precise phrasing of your wincon? It's possible that players can only be resurrected BECAUSE they remain ghosts, for example, so this ability is keeping all the dead people resurrectable so that you could be resurrected... but if you lost your corpse, then some new effect would come into play.

[Imp]

FoU, you 'lost' the book, and Egan ended up with it.  Do you know how you 'lost' it, like did you give or free-give it, or was it a mystery to you how you lost it?

FoU actively claimed free-giving it btw

Aha, thanks!

Night 1, I put on the Defective Cat Ear Headband, and used two Gift actions - one to give a Hypnotic Cat Ear Headband to Jim, and one to give the Manuscript to Egan_BW, since I thought it would be funny. Egan's since proved my decision to be a good one.

Sorry, Imp. I did tell the technical truth that I "lost" the Manuscript, but that's only because I gave it away. I didn't want you to be mad.

I see it (again) now.  My deep read and notes hasn't gotten that far, and I scanned for but didn't spot it as I realized I wondered and wanted to verify.

And right on about destroy body to prevent res, thanks for that too!

[Imp]

It's possible that players can only be resurrected BECAUSE they remain ghosts, for example, so this ability is keeping all the dead people resurrectable so that you could be resurrected... but if you lost your corpse, then some new effect would come into play.

I note that I appear to have died and been resurrected without ever passing through a ghost phase.

Night Two

Imp died and was resurrected.

Nothing in my results tells me I had any experience as a ghost either.  I died, and I am resurrected.  Not gonna get closer to a quote than that, but there's nothing to imply 'was a ghost' at any instant.

[Elephant Parade]

Are you aware that you've posted 25 times in the last nine and a half hours