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[Imp]

If it were anyone other than you, this level of saltiness would be a scum tell, but I guess this is just regular tric mode.

Yeah.  Tric does seem different this game than most others.

However, Tric's also currently dead.  There's 1+ antitown alive and while Tric's maybe sus, or at least weird.

Someone alive has to die for town to win.  Maybe more than one.

Forum was down for me, I have eaten but not started rereading.

Tric comments that I'm power grabbing.

Be nice to have some power, but this game I'm likely playing it by scumhunting techniques.

I probably missed some questions/whatever.  I'll get back to them as I reread, feel free to ask again if you wish.

[Imp]

Max.  I'm returning to here for now.

When pressed, while pressed, Max was pretty chatty and even scumhuntyish.

Otherwise, no?

Maybe Max hasn't had time to be active yet D3, day only started like 6 hours ago?

Starting here.

[TricMagic]

Really want to kill all the ghosts huh Imp?

[FallacyofUrist]

No offense to the ghosts, but the fact that we can't get any death flip information is making picking good execution targets impossible.

Sorry, but the ghostmaker has to die.

I can't imagine an ability like that being anything but scum-sided. Either that or it's the mother of all Blowback abilities, but, like. I doubt it.

Really want to kill all the ghosts huh Imp?

notquitethere's politely asked the ghosts not to vote, even in jest.

[Imp]

Really want to kill all the ghosts huh Imp?

No.  Really want to kill all the anti-town.  Like, every one.

Not sure if Max is that.  Don't like how Max played before I voted him, still concerned about him.

[Elephant Parade]

No offense to the ghosts, but the fact that we can't get any death flip information is making picking good execution targets impossible.

Sorry, but the ghostmaker has to die.

I can't imagine an ability like that being anything but scum-sided. Either that or it's the mother of all Blowback abilities, but, like. I doubt it.

I can imagine it—perhaps a player with the ability to resurrect exactly one ghost as a full player, after which all other ghosts pass on—but at this point it'd be a very tough sell.

I'm waiting for something before I start talking in earnest (and frankly I'm just lazy) but I probably won't wait much longer. In the meantime, I've been thinking about whether the ghostmaker is Max or Toony. Last night I leaned Toony because (1) he IMO hopped on the wagon in a shadier way and (2) he has a corpse peek, which would likely be tagged Necromancy, and Necromancy is awfully close to Mass-Effect, the other sphere the ghost power probably has:



I was going to say "right now I'm leaning Max" but after typing all that I'm leaning Toony again. I don't really know, though.

[Imp]

I was going to say "right now I'm leaning Max" but after typing all that I'm leaning Toony again. I don't really know, though.

I'm cool with ghosts in general.

I'm after living anti-town.  Still doing my read through and careful notes-taking and trying to form more certain sense of my reads and track claims and all.

Flips are nice and definitive, but 'live' ghosts are potentially useful too, especially those who are not opposed and successful.

[ToonyMan]

PRE-EDIT:
The forums have been eating shit recently so it's hard getting posts out...

I still really suspect ToonyMan. He's been... fickle, in the wagons he pushes, like he doesn't actually care about who he executes. Toony/Max would fit so neatly.

I voted Crystal because we came to a very reasonable conclusion that they were the ghostmaker in the private chat, aka myself/Jim/Tric/Max. Jack joined because why not. I don't regret voting Crystal. I think my other votes have been very not fickle, aka you and Elephant.

It’s probably worth noting that Maximum Spin and ToonyMan have never voted each other this game, and share this weird insistence that I'm scum.

I'll probably make a case after I get out of work. Of course, Toony will just say I'm tunneling and playing to my usual scum patterns, but, you know, what do we even know about their roles? They've claimed very little last I've checked.

Funny you would push me on role-claiming when Elephant Parade has shown even less.

I don't think Toony's ever claimed anything. I don't think you're reading. I know who the ones with the chats are. Which is another reason to be annoyed at Egan. Max is town, but in order to get rid of the ghosts we have to kill him. Jim and Toony are toss ups, but not sure Toony is actually scum from sharing a chat with him yesterday. If he is it has to be with Jim. But I know Jim's ability too, and I kinda doubt Mafia has that one.

Point is that there aren't many people left who it could be.

I know this is towards FoU, but I will state that I claimed all of my spheres and some of my abilities in the private chat. Max did as well. I don't see how Max could be the ghostmaker unless he is lying. Jim and Tric can confirm this.

If the ghostmaker is Town I will completely lose my mind.

I doubt they're town. I think they're probably your scum partner.

Imp died on N2 because they were infected, by scum, which we know was not Hector because Hector flipped town and wouldn't lie about somehow infecting Crystal and Imp in the same night, which they wouldn't be able to do as far as I can tell. It's unclear why Imp res'd, but it was probably because of Crystal?

My guess is that Hector was destroyed last night by scum, unless somebody wants to claim the ghostbusting of him.

So who's scum?

I'm almost certain Imp is town. Scum tried to kill them.
Jack openly admitted to daykilling Jim and appears to have given me (and earlier, Elephant) extra vote power, which seems like pretty bad things to do as scum. I'm not really sure they're scum.
Max has claimed a lot of their role in the private chat and I don't feel like they're lying, however if they are being deceptive I feel they are more likely than Jack to be the ghostmaker, in other words, they're my second pick after Elephant for the ghost problem.
Elephant I feel has been kind of scummy (mainly from the focusing on Crystal and Vermilion), I think they have the highest chance of being the ghostmaker because I know the least about them which I don't think is an unfair statement.
Behaviorally, I strongly believe that FoU is scum, however I don't believe they can be the ghostmaker so I'm not sure it's the best vote.

[Elephant Parade]

I was going to say "right now I'm leaning Max" but after typing all that I'm leaning Toony again. I don't really know, though.

I'm cool with ghosts in general.

I'm after living anti-town.  Still doing my read through and careful notes-taking and trying to form more certain sense of my reads and track claims and all.

Flips are nice and definitive, but 'live' ghosts are potentially useful too, especially those who are not opposed and successful.

I'm not even a little cool with ghosts because having no flips makes reading people, and even understanding the state of the game, much harder.

[Elephant Parade]

I still really suspect ToonyMan. He's been... fickle, in the wagons he pushes, like he doesn't actually care about who he executes. Toony/Max would fit so neatly.

I voted Crystal because we came to a very reasonable conclusion that they were the ghostmaker in the private chat, aka myself/Jim/Tric/Max. Jack joined because why not. I don't regret voting Crystal. I think my other votes have been very not fickle, aka you and Elephant.

Oh, that makes the EoD rush a little less insane.

[Imp]

It's unclear why Imp res'd, but it was probably because of Crystal?

Very unclear.

I definitely didn't eat fruit, I cannot.  Maybe someone has a way to forcefeed me fruit stronger than my inability to eat it.

I was not informed of being fed a fruit, or anything else that could explain my res.  I don't think Crystal claimed anything else that could res someone.

But I am grateful for my res.

[ToonyMan]

I still really suspect ToonyMan. He's been... fickle, in the wagons he pushes, like he doesn't actually care about who he executes. Toony/Max would fit so neatly.

I voted Crystal because we came to a very reasonable conclusion that they were the ghostmaker in the private chat, aka myself/Jim/Tric/Max. Jack joined because why not. I don't regret voting Crystal. I think my other votes have been very not fickle, aka you and Elephant.

Oh, that makes the EoD rush a little less insane.

I became pretty convinced that my Hector theory was shit at the end of D2, Hector flipping innocent today just rubs it in my face.

[Imp]

In addition, the fact that ghost players can just "ignore the thread and not post if they want to" with the mod's permission implies to me that they are low impact. Most likely here to be a nuisance and confuse.

Hey, Toons.  Now that we've seen Hector's flip, how's your stance on this, changed?

[Imp]

Hrm.

We know Hector was destroyed N2.  It's not clear if he acted N2 before being destroyed, I'm not sure what the order of operations might be.

If he successfully gave an item, we wouldn't know it (It wouldn't flip with him).

If he tried to super-infect me, I was already infected and have no idea.

If he used super-infect on anyone else, that person hasn't said if they're infected yet.

That plague hat of Hector's is interesting.  It's 'free', suggesting he got it after game started, that his 'second strain' worked on it.  Also, it's a hat, and he doesn't have the hat sphere.  But it's also pretty clearly a customized hat, and without any spheres that he has, without any clear effects, it may not have caught any conditions yet.  But I kinda think he didn't start with that hat, and I kinda think it weird that someone could give him a 'plague hat'.

[Imp]

If you have a way to grant me items it would be really handy if you could give them to me.

My role is not traditionally powerful but if my analysis about it is correct it's pretty damn good. Having items to burn should help me get my game going.

Hey, ghostie Jim.

Is this still true for you, even after death?