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[FallacyofUrist]

FoU - probably scum, tunneling me for "bad reasoning/votes" and being overly-dramatic which is their scumtell

Fallacy Comparison:
CYOS1 (FoU is mafia with Web/Max)
FoU nags me for only providing minor details for my town reads and no reasoning for my scum picks. FoU votes me. Gets confrontational and heated with me. "I know Toony is going to give me hell for this, but I don't care, I've caught scum."

CYOS2 (unknown)
FoU votes me. FoU calls my votes shit and to explain my reasoning. Gets confrontational and theatrical. "I'm finally calm. Isn't this what you always wanted, Toony?"

... But ToonyMan, I'm always overly dramatic. It's part of how I have fun with the game.

The annoying part is that I agree with your reads, now, minus Jim. I feel like Jim is more unclear.

Although hector just explicitly stated that he was killed Night 0, instead of starting as a ghost.

Makes me feel bad about my last vote on Verm, since I voted him because you were refusing to.

[Imp]

FoU - probably scum, tunneling me for "bad reasoning/votes" and being overly-dramatic which is their scumtell

Fallacy Comparison:
CYOS1 (FoU is mafia with Web/Max)
FoU nags me for only providing minor details for my town reads and no reasoning for my scum picks. FoU votes me. Gets confrontational and heated with me. "I know Toony is going to give me hell for this, but I don't care, I've caught scum."

CYOS2 (unknown)
FoU votes me. FoU calls my votes shit and to explain my reasoning. Gets confrontational and theatrical. "I'm finally calm. Isn't this what you always wanted, Toony?"

... But ToonyMan, I'm always overly dramatic. It's part of how I have fun with the game.

The annoying part is that I agree with your reads, now, minus Jim. I feel like Jim is more unclear.

Although hector just explicitly stated that he was killed Night 0, instead of starting as a ghost.

Makes me feel bad about my last vote on Verm, since I voted him because you were refusing to.

Night Zero Ends

Egan_BW has died and returned as a ghost!

Hector13 has died and returned as a ghost!

We were informed of the death at the start of the game.

I have no idea how/why he died.  I don't see where he discussed what killed him

[FallacyofUrist]

I don't believe he discussed what killed him. It's possible he doesn't know. It's also possible he wasn't "killed", and just lied, and died due to some other mechanic.

[hector13]

Quick post because busy and no battery I got killed N0 it’s not rocket scientist

Sure, be busy and have no battery.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Later, we're clearly interested in what killed you.  Did you have a role that was going to die N0 as created or given to you?  Were you surprised to die?

He's possibly our patient zero.  He may even have a way to spread disease without being infected himself.  I don't like the evasiveness, but I can't benefit from voting him, if he's antitown he already counts as dead for my wincon.

Then why the interest in me at all? If I’m town then people know I’ve got their best interests at heart, and if not there’s piss all that can be done about it during the day.

The answers are irrelevant. Trust me or don’t. Either way, your attention is better served elsewhere. If I’m scum, I have a partner who isn’t dead. Go find them, Sherlock.

Imp, I have one question to ask. Are you feeling lucky? Shoots Imp.

not really but close enough.


Saved by the ninja. Die again Egan.

Was going to use my day power to see if I'd get anything out of the warehouse on resolution, but just for that no. I can't revive, so can't get buff. Thanks, I hate it.

Tric.

Can you help me though?

And would it matter if I ghost?

I can maybe be a bit more useful N2 if helped in a useful way.  So if you choose to use a day ability you think would help what I hope is our shared wincon, on me or anyone.  I currently have no day abilities, but I get to do 'one last thing' tonight as a living, (I presume) and then whatever I can do as a ghost.  But I'm alive, so I can be buffed, I presume, even if I lose it later.  I have no idea if it helps, I only get to see a copy of your class ability.  It tells me of course a tiny bit about another ability you have, but I don't have that either, just class.

I really just want town to win.

I'm very neutral about my own alive status, it closes some doors for me to be dead and costs my wincon a vote.  I'm also kinda opposed to 'so, kill them all?  It's still a town win' because I'm underinformed if anyone could survive the kill method.  If anyone anti-town can, 'kill em all' is a fast way to ensure a town loss, so I'm really not tempted.

And I have no way to kill everyone.  Or to kill anyone, other than this infection that probably can kill anyone who isn't somehow immune; a baddie probably could be and even if not, if there's more than 1 baddie left infecting the baddie increases the ways they can kill in that last cycle; probably not ideal.

So I'm not too concerned about it.  From myself.

What is more interesting is you claiming you want the town to win while simultaneously telling the town they should make an action on you to save you - or indeed, anybody else that is infected - and in the process passing on the infection to them:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

If this exists.

Anyone infected can have their life lengthened by somehow being empowered/cursed/affected/whammied/anything so that they do not experience the full duration of the night time period.

Time travel abilities, other time magic, whatever.  If it exists, it would allow an infected to live 'around' the night until they were present for the entire length of the night's period.

Being kicked out of the playing area, like commuted or something.

Infection spread is a real risk.  But if anyone could and chooses to send an infected out of play during any of the night or all of it, they don't die that night.

Per conversation with NQT.

You’re just asking someone to delay another person dying while spreading the infection, according to the way that you have described the infection status, which is different form the way the only confirmed infected person has stated it works.

How does spreading infection help your wincon, exactly?

I think you should tell us what you did to Tric because it makes zero sense for you to act on somebody who was going to die anyway and weren’t sure if they were coming back as a ghost.

Unless of course, you were sure because you’re responsible for the lack of flips?

[hector13]

Tric: What did you do in the night, brah?

Or, more relevant, who did you target?

[Imp]

No, Hector. I did not say 'save me'.  I was very clear that targeting me spreads infection to those who can catch it.  I discussed what could save me, or another infected (with my type of infection at least, if there are types.  I know only what I see).

Someone might want to save me, CrystalizedMire, themself later, or anyone else that's alive but infected.  I discussed what it would take that I'm aware of, from what I see and what I asked.

The other discussion topics, I already addressed in more detail and specificness than you have what you've been asked about.  And I've already said when I'll be discussing more, if that isn't argued against.  I'm still listening for replies and comments.

[notquitethere]

Condition Update

To prevent unnecessary confusion, here is the corrected text of the Infection status.

{Infection}: You die after experiencing a full night cycle while infected. Ghosts cannot be infected. A player who is infected will infect anyone who they target.

I realise I have copy-pasted a draft version of the condition to people which stated infection could spread to people who target the infected. This isn't the case.

[EuchreJack]

I can confirm receiving a hat, not that I can confirm that FoU sent it.

More to say later.

Hats? 

...I unfortunately have no hats 

However, I do have a cold and a case of work fatigue.

Glad we finally pinned down that hector13 was actually killed on N0.  And hector13 didn't kill himself, otherwise he wouldn't be so pissed off about it.
This also explains why hector13 has been rather more involved than one would expect from the recently deceased: He's looking for his killer.

[Imp]

Condition Update

To prevent unnecessary confusion, here is the corrected text of the Infection status.

{Infection}: You die after experiencing a full night cycle while infected. Ghosts cannot be infected. A player who is infected will infect anyone who they target.

I realise I have copy-pasted a draft version of the condition to people which stated infection could spread to people who target the infected. This isn't the case.

Okay.

Someone caused me to become infected last night, it was not my own targeting that caused it.

[hector13]

Condition Update

To prevent unnecessary confusion, here is the corrected text of the Infection status.

{Infection}: You die after experiencing a full night cycle while infected. Ghosts cannot be infected. A player who is infected will infect anyone who they target.

I realise I have copy-pasted a draft version of the condition to people which stated infection could spread to people who target the infected. This isn't the case.

Cool beans, thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding.

Possibilities: Tric was infected N0, meaning he can now pass on infections via his actions.

CM and Imp claim infections D2, meaning whoever infected Tric acted, and Tric acted; or we have a third person who can infect people, and some combination of Tric, patient zero, and copycat infected N1.

[FallacyofUrist]

I can confirm receiving a hat, not that I can confirm that FoU sent it.

More to say later.

Hats? 

...I unfortunately have no hats 

Would you want one~?

Glad we finally pinned down that hector13 was actually killed on N0.  And hector13 didn't kill himself, otherwise he wouldn't be so pissed off about it.
This also explains why hector13 has been rather more involved than one would expect from the recently deceased: He's looking for his killer.

hector's pissed? What makes you read that about him?

Okay.

Someone caused me to become infected last night, it was not my own targeting that caused it.

What's interesting is that means both you and CM claim to have become Infected.

Which means, assuming you're both telling the truth, we're expecting minimum two deaths today. Probably plus-one for the execution.

So who acted on you, and who acted on CM?

[Elephant Parade]

So how did both you and CM get infected in the same night, then? Something doesn't add up.

[Imp]

I can confirm receiving a hat, not that I can confirm that FoU sent it.

More to say later.

Hats? 

...I unfortunately have no hats 

However, I do have a cold and a case of work fatigue.

Glad we finally pinned down that hector13 was actually killed on N0.  And hector13 didn't kill himself, otherwise he wouldn't be so pissed off about it.
This also explains why hector13 has been rather more involved than one would expect from the recently deceased: He's looking for his killer.

Hey.  He could have submitted "Steve Irwin being stung in the heart" or "man who already leapt from a mile-high tower without a parachute" or any other 'I am dying' role.

Just because he died may not mean he has a killer, or one he didn't create for himself.

Since he won't talk about it, I think it's all of his doing and he's fine with it.

[hector13]

Speculating on my role submission won’t help you find my partner <3

Of course I don’t have one, but you don’t know that.

Shh, don’t tell Imp.

[Jim Groovester]

In addition to getting a gross cat ear headband from some FoU related source I also got the Exhausted status that Tric has mentioned. I don't think he targeted me because I didn't become Infected. Anyone want to claim making me Exhausted?

So yeah, this ghost thing seems a bit inconvenient, doesn't it? Would be nice to have, you know, any flips at all.
I've got a daychat with Vermilionskies. It seems to be a game, though the game doesn't really do anything because we're both dead.

Is this the same game Imp and TricMagic were in?

Tric, the pages belong to a book with three pages missing. If someone owns the book and three pages, they can cast every ability copied to the pages, on all possible targets at once, as an action. Which is really too chaotic to be town sided, so I'm doing my best to destroy the cursed tome.

I can consume items as a free action during any phase. I don't know if NQT intended it but I am the perfect item destroyer, assuming the item doesn't give me some obnoxious status which prevents me from using my ability to consume it, or consume it freely.

At work, pfp and no discord access.  Any results from last night, in discord apparently as I have no pm from mod today at all.  I asked hours ago, no reply yet.  I will discuss much after work when I can.

Why are you expecting a role result PM in discord?

I can confirm receiving a hat, not that I can confirm that FoU sent it.

More to say later.

I can't necessarily absolutely and totally confirm I sent it, but I can confirm my role is the source of them by trading another one to someone else.

That's right, I have more of them.

Do I want the hat? It doesn't really do anything except force me to wear it, which mildly concerns me tee bee aych

Makes me feel bad about my last vote on Verm, since I voted him because you were refusing to.

:\

:/

I always find expressions of regret suspicious in mafia even if more often than not nothing comes of it.

Then why the interest in me at all? If I’m town then people know I’ve got their best interests at heart, and if not there’s piss all that can be done about it during the day.

The answers are irrelevant. Trust me or don’t. Either way, your attention is better served elsewhere. If I’m scum, I have a partner who isn’t dead. Go find them, Sherlock.

It's kind of relevant whether your death is an innate feature of your role or was something externally inflicted upon you during N0.

I kind of care about that because it helps feel out the sort of threat the town is facing.

I care a lot about that actually.

Glad we finally pinned down that hector13 was actually killed on N0.  And hector13 didn't kill himself, otherwise he wouldn't be so pissed off about it.
This also explains why hector13 has been rather more involved than one would expect from the recently deceased: He's looking for his killer.

Is all this true though?