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[TricMagic]

Kk. So.

Trade Seven of Clubs(TricMagic) for Lost Page(EuchreJack)
Hope this works. Also on my way to make a ghost buff.

[TricMagic]

... Targeted living player. Freaking text clause. So nope, still can't target anyone.

[hector13]

Okay, cool.

Can you lay out precisely what the infection status is and/or does for us? NQT says you know things about it, and it’d be nice to have as much information as possible on it in one post for ease of data gathering.

[TricMagic]

Hector, that doesn't actually help. I literally already told you. I can't target anyone without infecting them. Ghosts can't catch the infection. If I end up a ghost, no longer infected. I die at the end of the night. That's it.

[TricMagic]

For the record I can't gift things either. NQT just got back to me on that. Trade works fine.

[hector13]

You’ve told us piecemeal over a handful of posts what it does, and have shown you don’t read things properly too.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t like having to read through five posts to find information if it can be concentrated in one. You are, so far as we’re aware, the only person with knowledge on what infection means, or at least the only one forthcoming on it.

All you’ve really done so far is provide commentary on how figuring out your role is doing, which… really isn’t that interesting on top of not really being that useful.

Who are your top scum and town picks at the moment, and why?

Why are you worried about extra votes? Do you think we should be worried about EJ, whom you are perfectly happy to trade things with?

[TricMagic]

Right now I would put Imp as town. Mechanically Egan/Max are tied together. So either we've got a potential team, or you're scum Hector. That also paints Egan as sorta safeish? Someone infected me N0, and given it kills at the end of the night one of you two had it.

I don't have any real reads of others at the moment, other than speculation on Jack and Fal. If Jack suddenly has 2 votes tomorrow that means they're receiving a benefit from controlling the cards. Fal I think is the one who put me and imp in that game meanwhile. If a third person entered and said sasuga they would win and steal the entire pot after all. Which would either be items or random abilities.

On a scroll down, what would I press EJ about? If you want to vote me, vote me. If you want to kill me, I'd rather you do it now instead of this delayed death.

[TricMagic]

You know... If I was an SK this infection would be a very good method to just instantly win the game. Use my night ability to infect everyone in the game and watch them die, and there isn't a single thing that can stop it. Sure I'd overwork myself to death but that's no price to pay if I'd die anyway right?

[hector13]

Right now I would put Imp as town. Mechanically Egan/Max are tied together. So either we've got a potential team, or you're scum Hector. That also paints Egan as sorta safeish? Someone infected me N0, and given it kills at the end of the night one of you two had it.

There are 9 other players in the game, is your only basis that I must have acted N0 because I’m a ghost D1?

Assume you’re right, though, and it was me. What makes you say the infection is the work of scum instead of, say, a serial killer or town? Both get kills. Both can get delayed kills. This is a power heavy game.

PPE: you’re thinking at least. I think you should infect everyone if you can because it would be very funny, but that is also one of the reasons why I was telling EP to think about how it works on a macro level in the game.

I mean the utility of it is really interesting. You can kill someone while also giving then a kill too, it seems. The biggest drawback would be if the scum/anti-town can use it in addition to the regular ol’ mafiakill (assuming it isn’t already a mafiakill) otherwise town could just use it as a secondary lynch or something.

I don't have any real reads of others at the moment, other than speculation on Jack and Fal. If Jack suddenly has 2 votes tomorrow that means they're receiving a benefit from controlling the cards. Fal I think is the one who put me and imp in that game meanwhile. If a third person entered and said sasuga they would win and steal the entire pot after all. Which would either be items or random abilities.

On a scroll down, what would I press EJ about? If you want to vote me, vote me. If you want to kill me, I'd rather you do it now instead of this delayed death.

I can’t vote you, brah. I can poke you though. *poke*

You press EJ because you’re concerned about vote accumulation, for some reason. Despite being concerned about that and the mechanics thereof, you offer him something you think will increase his votes anyway. Without going into the stupendous leap in logic to connect his votes to cards, why would you do that?

Why would anyone kill you, via action or lynch? You’ve said you’re going to die and you’re not going to pass the infection on, and there’s every possibility you come back as an uninfected ghost. Sounds like a waste of time to kill you just because.

[ToonyMan]

Toony:

Jack - voting and getting shit done

I don't quite get it. All EJ has done is claim items, ask a mod question, and vote a player who hadn't posted yet to demonstrate his 1.5-vote, right?

I had Jack as MIA along with Max, but then before I posted they came in immediately getting to the straight of it, which I like. All business Jack seems like town!Jack in current meta. Also he's done more than some players in much fewer words looking at it practically, it's just efficient, well-oiled play.

Ghosts can use and be targeted by actions though, essentially taking away the power of the mafia to eliminate players with a kill.

Thinking about it more giving up a vote to not get lynched is a fantastic trade. It's great for a town player but a fucking killer deal for scum.

Not being able to mafiakill is a downside, but otherwise I agree it seems better for mafia to avoid the lynch.

TricMagic is probably town. Imp is also probably town. Lean town on ToonyMan because effort. Slight town on Elephant Parade because of his comment about wanting to be in a private chat.

Not feeling strongly about any of the other players so far nor am I super impressed with what the remaining players have done after the first part of Day 1. If I have a gun to my head and have to vote somebody it probably lands somewhere within FoU, Maximum Spin, Crystalizedmire, and VermilionSkies, although I don't currently want to lynch any of these players particularly strongly. If our friendly ghosts were voteable they would be in that list too.

Jim stealing my reads, again.

To further elaborate, 4 + 2 is probably between three and four more the number of scum there are, and I don't have any indication that any of these players are teamed with each other.

My guess is three mafia with one being a ghost, which is probably Hector in that case, I guess.

I'm not entirely sold that either ghost is mafia though. I think there's probably one (and only one) mafia inside Elephant/Hector though.

If I remember correctly, Tric wanted to be lynched for info/ghost activities because they’re infected and due to die next morning.
I have no clue what their buff does, though.

Lost Page sounds vaguely… Slenderman-esque?

I think this is a reasonable hypothesis. I wasn't even thinking of Slenderman, but collecting pages fits and ghosts are pretty horror-themed.

You’ve told us piecemeal over a handful of posts what it does, and have shown you don’t read things properly too.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t like having to read through five posts to find information if it can be concentrated in one. You are, so far as we’re aware, the only person with knowledge on what infection means, or at least the only one forthcoming on it.

All you’ve really done so far is provide commentary on how figuring out your role is doing, which… really isn’t that interesting on top of not really being that useful.

Who are your top scum and town picks at the moment, and why?

Why are you worried about extra votes? Do you think we should be worried about EJ, whom you are perfectly happy to trade things with?

I don't think it's Tric.

I also don't think it's worth using brain power to make Tric not Tric.


Regarding Max and Egan:
Max...Max is a good dude. Egan is most likely town I think. The second wincon discussion with Max feels very town!Egan to me. Max also gives me good vibes with their cageyness and reaction to Egan claiming the N0 action on them here and here. Yeah, Max is probably good.

Regarding Hector:
Doesn't feel like a bad dude either...but not as sure as with Egan about this.

Regarding FoU:
FoU is still a bad dude.

I don't mind that ToonyMan scum reads me. I am very, very easy to scum read, and my role is sussy. Contrary to popular belief, I am not always scum, though.

I do mind that ToonyMan is posting full read reasoning for Tric and Imp (reads I agree with, honestly), but not for Jack and Jim.

I feel like if you're saying someone is probably town you need more than just vibes.


Maximum Spin is hiding in the shadows.

This has bad dude written all over it.

If I believe spooky ghost Hector then I want to say there's at least two mafia inside FoU/Elephant/Crystal/Vermilion.

[Maximum Spin]

I would never say no to voting Fallacy day 1.

[Elephant Parade]

Okay I wanted to wait until CM posted more but I'm bored.

Reads:

EuchreJack - hasn't actually done much in an absolute sense (that's where I disagree with Toony) but has posted zero fake content, town lean (ninja'd by toony but I give my word this was an independent opinion)
Toony - mixed feelings on first readlist but it was forced out in the rvs transition and overall he's done a lot to push the game forward; town lean by occam's razor but I'm not ruling out powerwolfing
TricMagic - can't really read Tric but this doesn't feel particularly different from the several town Trics I've played with

Imp - as usual, gut scumread due to overactivity; treating as null
Egan_BW - probably not the plaguebearer unless teamed with max
Max - Hmm
FoU - Hmm
VermillionSkies - I forgot they existed until I went to post this list. Get an avatar!
hector13 - a little shady but his content is pushing the game forward; possible plaguebearer, which feels like a scum ghost power to me

Jim Groovester - big posts with little relevant content. it's specifically the combination that's sus to me not just failing to put out content. slight scum lean
Crystalizedmire - questioning pattern reminds me of fbyor even if she's doing less reply-to-a-question-with-a-question stuff; ditto pushy rolefishing; in general just hipfiring questions without really saying anything, which is quite unlike her town play in cyos1 where she was quite willing to make statements about her views; strong scum lean

[hector13]

@Toony

I am thinking more and more Tric is usual!Tric, but I just want to be sure. Him getting upset about being infected just weirded me out, initially.

[Maximum Spin]

Egan_BW - probably not the plaguebearer unless teamed with max

I wouldn't go that far, second wincon: everyone dies of plague is plausible

[TricMagic]

If I get lynched that means I can actually act night 1. Or I just end up dead for good and don't have to play with a role that's entire purpose is to buff people up.

What makes you so sure infection is an SK ability? I mean I'm pretty sure it is SK since you don't have to be alive to win. If ghosts weren't a thing it would probably have been designed differently? As is infection just petering out cause people practice social distancing is funny.