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Author Topic: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - GAME OVER - Mafia Team Murder Victory?  (Read 16575 times)

Jim Groovester

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Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres 2 - D3- One Down
« Reply #645 on: December 10, 2024, 02:15:04 pm »

Trying to find the ghostmaker would be difficult even if people were flipping given how effective lying about everything is in BYOR type games but without flips I don't believe it can be done.

I think people should focus on lynching scummy people. That's slightly easier.
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« Reply #646 on: December 10, 2024, 02:26:07 pm »

NQT, is the vote count end of day 2 correct, showing Eucherjack having one vote, not 1.5?
Not correct. It wouldn't have changed anything, but I've amended for posterity.

NQT: Is there guaranteed to be a Mafia faction in this game?
It is only guaranteed that there is at least one anti-town faction.

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« Reply #647 on: December 10, 2024, 02:28:17 pm »

Multiple people claimed they can't be protected too.
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« Reply #648 on: December 10, 2024, 05:20:26 pm »

FoU, what's concerning about the new ability you gained?
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« Reply #649 on: December 10, 2024, 06:05:19 pm »

NQT, is the vote count end of day 2 correct, showing Eucherjack having one vote, not 1.5?
Not correct. It wouldn't have changed anything, but I've amended for posterity.

NQT: Is there guaranteed to be a Mafia faction in this game?
It is only guaranteed that there is at least one anti-town faction.
Just to be clear, is it guaranteed that there will be at least one anti-town faction with multiple allied members?

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My assumption before asking the first question was 'no' (I'm guessing that this one will also be 'no') so this doesn't budge my estimate up any. I just wanted to confirm it wasn't literally impossible.
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« Reply #650 on: December 10, 2024, 06:46:43 pm »

Just to be clear, is it guaranteed that there will be at least one anti-town faction with multiple allied members?

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My assumption before asking the first question was 'no' (I'm guessing that this one will also be 'no') so this doesn't budge my estimate up any. I just wanted to confirm it wasn't literally impossible.
You would assume correctly. I technically could have stuffed the game with 10 solo serial killers. Whether I would do that, I will leave to your discernment.
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« Reply #651 on: December 10, 2024, 06:51:43 pm »

So that's why it's been such a struggle to form townreads
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« Reply #652 on: December 10, 2024, 07:33:02 pm »

In other news:
1) We may lack a flip but CM is 100% scum, town would have at least answered claim requests by now
2) I would like to execute Max
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« Reply #653 on: December 10, 2024, 07:33:16 pm »

I'm really swamped with IRL obligations I can't meaningfully contribute today I'm not really going to be free for probably the next 24 hours.

I don't know how to make sense of a lot of things that have happened in the game.

I think voting Max is probably okay.

Me right now:
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« Reply #654 on: December 10, 2024, 07:38:11 pm »

Just to be clear, is it guaranteed that there will be at least one anti-town faction with multiple allied members?

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My assumption before asking the first question was 'no' (I'm guessing that this one will also be 'no') so this doesn't budge my estimate up any. I just wanted to confirm it wasn't literally impossible.
You would assume correctly. I technically could have stuffed the game with 10 solo serial killers. Whether I would do that, I will leave to your discernment.

shivers and wonders who the very few other town might be.

That's almost not funny.  I've occasionally wondered what it might be like to legit be the only townie in a game.
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« Reply #655 on: December 10, 2024, 08:14:06 pm »

My ideas about Max's movement I understand:

Checked on who gave new ability.  Clarified can't have abilities messed with, and said "your secondary wincons are pretty much guaranteed to be winnable forever now."

"because if you are mafia with a second wincon, I WANT you to play for your second wincon."  I imagine that's true for a town Max, and a maf Max might be happy with townies playing towards their second wincons too (don't need to kill them or whatever).

Discusses 'everyone could die' a bit.

Verbal-only support of vote FoU, doesn't think Jack feels like town Jack, wanted Toony's read. voted CrystalizedMire, EP, later D2 voted FoU and then unvotes; votes Jack with discussion about jack as likely Jim-killer.  Votes Crystal for being likely messer-with-the-dead.

Claims cannot do anything useful 'now' as of D2.  Claims someone tried to steal an ability/the second wincon ability.  Claims to have a fun role with zero info in a game with zero normal info and to have no one he can trust, "My first use of my abilities totally failed to work out the way I had wanted or provide anything useful."

Asked if I could prove I was infected.  Points out no proof that Imp or Crystal is infected, or that Hector is the infector (before the flip) or that Verm's body is gone.  No proof of a number of other things, but those claims got focus after I voted Max.

After Crystal dead, says "TBH, ghost producer is either Toony if he's lying or EP, I think. Maybe I forgot somebody, don't care if so." But feels sure enough info about role is known that people should be comfortable Max is not the ghost-producer.

Digs into second wincon a bit, like what is it exactly with Egan, explores how it could be won with some theories that seem a bit odd to me.

Weird answer about ghost-producer could be Jack.

"I don't think we lose if we lynch FoU, EP, and Jack in whatever order feels most necessary. I'm leaning trusting EP least since he's claimed nothing memorable at all. But then again, from his perspective, neither have I."



I don't see clear town interest.  I don't see obvious anti-town interest, but I generally believe I can feel town-wincon-focus and movement in Max by this point in the game.

I'm okay with my vote on Max for now, but I don't crave a hammer, and I'd like to have more D3 time to try and get more reads sorted out.
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« Reply #656 on: December 10, 2024, 08:51:10 pm »

Made this map of claims.  A tiny bit of it comes from my current chat with Tric, like that Jim claims he made the 4-way chat I don't think was said in thread.

I could have missed stuff!  If you notice something missed, please mention it.

Spoiler: Ghost claims (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Living claims (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Weird stuff (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Action claims (click to show/hide)
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« Reply #657 on: December 10, 2024, 09:17:25 pm »

Weird answer about ghost-producer could be Jack.
Oh, no. Jack's definitely not the ghost producer. I just meant he could be mafia.

Imp, ask Tric if you know what my role is. Not here.
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« Reply #658 on: December 10, 2024, 09:18:48 pm »

Heard loud and clear Max. I'll take that as permission.
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« Reply #659 on: December 10, 2024, 09:31:23 pm »

Got some info about Jim too I haven't shared at the moment. So if Jim doesn't mind Imp knowing will take that as town confirm for Jim. Kinda leaning that way anyway.
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