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[ToonyMan]

@Vermilion:
Was that game I subbed in for Anime Hector with you the first time you were mafia in a game before?


@Max:

ToonyMan: I don't trust this version of Jack. This version of Jack doesn't feel like the town Jack I know. Can you help me elucidate this feeling further?

I can't man. Town!Jack can be sedated now I don't think it's a valid read anymore.

Gonna go out on a limb here. Elephant Parade.

FoU hasn't gained any traction and I'm not a huge fan of the people voting Vermilion or Crystal.

Elephant Parade, stop picking on the newbies.

[Imp]

I don't think anti-town Jim would obviously protect a partner.  Well, if the partner had skills/role that was really critical, and if Jim thought the general chaos was enough to make it not at all obvious.

Verm seems 'screamingly wrong' to me.  So feeling 'earnestness' in Verm's posts really confuses me.

Also I felt a strong woosh of 'egads ohno'ism with Jim's

If you have a way to grant me items it would be really handy if you could give them to me.

My role is not traditionally powerful but if my analysis about it is correct it's pretty damn good. Having items to burn should help me get my game going.

That was like a solid flashback to how I felt about Web CYOS 1.  Far less than how I felt about web, by near end of D1, and I figured I'm being silly when I first read and felt it.  But it had and has a 'help me kill you faster read' to my intuition/fears/foolishness, and I didn't think it likely when I first felt it, though it was strong.

but I felt it, and we're close to end of D1, it's maybe say now or never.  I am leery about Jim this game, who also seems to be playing 'unusually nicely' for Jim as well.  Like, "like me and give me a pass' kind of feel.

That plus my concern he's maybe protecting Verm, and my inability to see Verm as towny with what I see this game, is my concern about Jim.

I'm home!

I'll review my D1s with Verm and see if a review of when I know he's town changes my mind.

I remember finding him as town really early and feeling super comfortable with him, the game where those who targeted me were forced into a chat I wasn't part of, made my agents and various other things changed.  I did inspect him N1.  For confirmation, not to catch anti-town.  I discussed that during D2 and later that game.

Thing is, we were both town and I thought him easy to find and super useful.

I don't feel that here so far.  And I saw how well and easily he lied and illusioned as town.  This is not a newbie, just less-often played here.  This is a real and interesting pro, and likely dangerous indeed if anti-town, is my understanding of Verm.

[notquitethere]

Less than an hour to go, the hanging sword of reckoning shifts above them like a tiny cloud on a blustery day.


Vote Count
- TricMagic
- Maximum Spin - Euchrejack (1.5) = [1.5]
- Elephant Parade -  Maximum Spin (1), Toonyman(1) = [2]
- Imp
- VermilionSkies - Imp (1), FallacyofUrist (1), Crystalizedmire (1), Elephant Parade (1) = [4]
- Crystalizedmire - VermilionSkies (1), Jim_Groovester (1) = [2]
- Toonyman
- Euchrejack
- FallacyofUrist - TricMagic (1) = [1]
- Jim_Groovester
- No Elimination

Ghosts
- Hector13
- Egan_BW

Ghosts cannot vote or be voted. They can use abilities and be targeted by abilities. Hammer at 6 votes. Day ends Wednesday 12AM GMT, in less than 1 hour.


Trades

Trade Six of Hearts to Imp in exchange for a random item.

Trade Seven of Clubs(TricMagic) for Lost Page(EuchreJack)

Trade Lost Page(EuchreJack) for Seven of Clubs(TricMagic)

[Imp]

Oh wait!  That was the crazy day where N1 and N2 followed each other.  I checked him N2, having already caught mafia inspect N1.  I decided with a n1 maf hit and how awesome Verm seemed, confirming Verm was a great use of my N2 check since we didn't get a D2 until after N2, couldn't discuss or change ideas.

But yeah, Verm seemed solid town to me D1 that game.

[Jim Groovester]

Gonna go out on a limb here. Elephant Parade.

Sell me on this. I could be convinced.

[ToonyMan]

I'm pretty swamped I don't think I can make big elaborate thoughts.

Not voting Tric or Imp.

Probably not voting Jack or Jim without heavy convincing, actually with less than one hour I can't reasonably see myself voting either player. I think Max falls in this category for today as well.

I'm willing to vote FoU, Elephant, Crystal, or Vermilion although I prefer FoU the most. I can probably be convinced to vote Crystal or Vermilion over Elephant but I don't want to right now.

[Jim Groovester]

Also still working so can't really focus on the game right now so would appreciate easy to digest, brief arguments to sway my vote.

[VermilionSkies]

Toony/Imp - I haven't played too many games, actually. BYOM was my first mafia game outside of playing with friends, though we do play quite a bit.

EP - As seen, anyone prodding anyone is likely to be questioned. It seems a little late to change your mind, but I am of the belief that what I did was alright.

I don't really want a lynch out of the current options, so my best hope is to try and tie the vote with Elephant Parade?
Are ties considered a no-lynch under this ruleset? I checked the OP but it didn't mention.

[ToonyMan]

@Imp:
I don't believe Jim would stick their neck out to blatantly defend a scum buddy unless it was like game-defining, so that makes me think a mafia!Jim isn't with a mafia!Crystal.

[Imp]

I'm pretty swamped I don't think I can make big elaborate thoughts.

Not voting Tric or Imp.

Probably not voting Jack or Jim without heavy convincing, actually with less than one hour I can't reasonably see myself voting either player. I think Max falls in this category for today as well.

I'm willing to vote FoU, Elephant, Crystal, or Vermilion although I prefer FoU the most. I can probably be convinced to vote Crystal or Vermilion over Elephant but I don't want to right now.

I think Jim and Verm are moving to protect Verm.

I'd love you to join the voting on Verm, but that's probably obvious and goes without saying.

[Imp]

I mean, a mason Jim would protect a mason EP, and vice versa, we saw that.

And maybe neither reveal why for as long as made sense not to, we saw that.

But I really think Verm's anti-town.  Jim, ehh.  The connections look weird.  But we probably don't get a flip.

[FallacyofUrist]

I still don't understand the fixation Toony has on me. If there was a case, sure, reasoning, that would help too, but... I'm not seeing any of that.

Unless I missed a post, which is a real possibility.

Let me review Verm's posts one last time. I'll either solidify my vote, or change it to ToonyMan.

[Elephant Parade]

@Vermilion:
Was that game I subbed in for Anime Hector with you the first time you were mafia in a game before?


@Max:

ToonyMan: I don't trust this version of Jack. This version of Jack doesn't feel like the town Jack I know. Can you help me elucidate this feeling further?

I can't man. Town!Jack can be sedated now I don't think it's a valid read anymore.

Gonna go out on a limb here. Elephant Parade.

FoU hasn't gained any traction and I'm not a huge fan of the people voting Vermilion or Crystal.

Elephant Parade, stop picking on the newbies.

I'm not going out of my way to, they just happen to be my top suspects right now. I flipped through a town game of each of theirs, BYOM for Vermilion and BYOS1 for CM, to double-check that I'm not just getting caught up over playstyle differences, and I'm indeed pretty sure that I'm not. They didn't display this weird tendency to avoid making statements.

Toony/Imp - I haven't played too many games, actually. BYOM was my first mafia game outside of playing with friends, though we do play quite a bit.

EP - As seen, anyone prodding anyone is likely to be questioned. It seems a little late to change your mind, but I am of the belief that what I did was alright.

I don't really want a lynch out of the current options, so my best hope is to try and tie the vote with Elephant Parade?
Are ties considered a no-lynch under this ruleset? I checked the OP but it didn't mention.

I don't think that's true, Vermillion. I questioned you because your prod was weird in context (coming oddly early and from a player hardly any more active), and scumread you for it because I found it to be part of a pattern of you avoiding creating real content. Anyone asking anyone anything can start a conversation; what makes prods special?

Do you think No Lynch is a good option? What is your opinion of me right now?

[Imp]

I still don't understand the fixation Toony has on me. If there was a case, sure, reasoning, that would help too, but... I'm not seeing any of that.

Unless I missed a post, which is a real possibility.

Let me review Verm's posts one last time. I'll either solidify my vote, or change it to ToonyMan.

Flipping off Verm may well save him here.

If you think he should be saved, try to explain why?  Cause....

The player I said this about after his 3rd post my first game with him:

My read on you, Vermilion, is 'good enough for first contact this early in this game'.  So, I want to extend to you an invitation, which others may also take as their own, which is fine.

I invite you to target me tonight (presuming I make it to N1) with anything non-lethal you can do.  Sure, that's an open invitation to anyone, but it is more likely to be informative and helpful for town than harm town for people who don't have something else they decide to do with an action they could target me tonight.  Umm, I'm more useful alive than dead, but killing me won't stop or change the outcome of at least Vermilion targeting me tonight, should that player choose to.  Verm, you're also free to just not, you don't have to tell me you won't (like if your abilities all kill your target and you don't want me dead, just don't target me, you don't have to say that you're not gonna).

If I'm alive tomorrow I can participate in discussion (obviously) that this will likely provoke to follow up on, even if I'm dead there'll probably be clearly something to discuss for at least some of those still alive (and targeting me will NOT kill anyone N2).  Verm, I would specifically like you to be one of those people/that person if you choose to and are able.

Different mechanics.

But that game, Verm was my top pick for most likely to be town, after his 3rd post in the game.

VermillionSkies is my top pick at this point, this game, for being most likely to be anti-town.

[Jim Groovester]

I don't think it's VS but I'm also not really in a position to fight hard about it. Low activity arguments in this game feel pretty weak against VS but also against all players more generally.

I can't argue with Imp right now and wouldn't really want to anyway even if I could. I'm not partners with VS.