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[Elephant Parade]

I don't really like how Vermillion is acting here. Just 2.5 hours after I voted CM, they went all in on attacking her... but only in perfectly generic ways. It just doesn't feel natural to me.

Ah, is CM asleep? Looking through the posts, they haven't said too much recently.

CM, who do you think is suspicious currently?

(rest of readlist snipped)

CM: Where are you? Where did you go? Do you need assistance? Rescue? Scumlean.

CM - The question was rhetorical. I saw that you had been online sporadically, and hadn't made any new posts for a while. The pressure vote is to encourage posts like that one.

FoU - Also, you're right, it is a good question, I'm probably going to steal it later.

Egan - real

[Imp]

Pfp and miserable about it.

Verm, what's your focus this game?  Given our other games together so far, what do you feel you are doing similarly and differently?

I will talk a bit about the weird item chat.  I delayed to see how others talk about it.

The intro for the chat is as long as my average post.  It is complex and doesn't explain everything but gives basic info.

If a 3rd person can enter it and post a specific phrase, that person gets all things wagered.

People in chat are not told if a 3rd person can see its posts.  People in chat must wager or not before talking in chat or pay a set penalty.

We don't get told if a 3rd person get in.  Or if they risk failing to take the wagers if they haven't been placed yet.  I presume some person has an ability with its own limits.  But I don't know what.

If you end up in weird item chat know you can discuss in this forum openly.  You can plan what to offer.  And if you want either to win.

If no wager is made and no mistakes or break in of a 3rd party, it seems both people in chat get a free one shot of a random other chatters ability if possible.  But it might be stolen first.  Or items can be wagered and lost.  But people can plan who loses and what to do.

Can say anything in the chat plus a question.  Other person answers keyword then new message says anything they want and question.  Repeat that pattern or be silent to not lose.  That break in is interesting though.  I guess you would see who.

And it can be a trick and the might not be a 3rd person.  It could be a complex distraction.

[Jim Groovester]

CM's readslist is not very good. Feels performative.

Pfp

I won't be able to make a detailed decision before the end of the day but I'm leaning towards CM here.

I will appreciate pointed arguments about other D1 lynch candidates.

[VermilionSkies]

EP - I'm going to be entirely honest, I didn't even realize you were going after CM until I looked through everyone's post history for the readslist. I was pushing CM on activity as much as I was because of the fact they only had seven posts and it had way too long since their last one.

Imp - Currently? My main focus is making it to D2 where we have a night of mechanics and claimed actions to discuss. My D1 game is always terrible. I'm being more aggressive this game, mostly because I'm just more comfortable. BYOM had me playing mostly passive, due to it being my first game here, and just my first game in a long while, and BYOA was closer to a puzzle game than standard mafia.
I haven't claimed my role yet, because I learned from the disaster that almost happened in BYOM.
The sasuga room sounds dubious. I can't think of any way to use the mechanics without risking things.

[Crystalizedmire]

Alright, here's my readslist:
Imp - Town - She plays to the town wincon so I trust her.
Euchrejack - lean town - Claims and item that they think will help Tricmagic(who has claimed to have an ability that helps town).
Fallacy of Urist - lean town - Tries to be helpful towards town by sharing information at the start of the game and starting make reads on other players.
Elephant Parade - nullish town - Seems helpful
Tricmagic - nullish town - Does seem to want to help town. Does seem more cautious to the Tricmagic I'm used to.
Toonyman - Townish null - like Elephant parade, seems helpful. But I feel more null about them because I haven't been paying much attention to their posts.
Maximum spin - null - seems like how he usually plays
Vermillionskies - scumish null - If you think that someone is asleep, what do you think a pressure vote will do? You've also not been posting much so I can't get a good read on you.
Ghosts: Both ghosts seem townish. I'm more inclined to think that if either one is antitown then it is Egan not Hector. Hector is playing towards town's wincon by pressing players he thinks are suspicoous.
I'll try to catch up to the posts I missed.

What about Jim??? Is mafia actually Crystal and Jim?? :OOOOOOOOO

Elephant Parade might be on to something.

Nah, I just forgot Jim Groovester. Looking back through his posts, I find that they lack much substance to talk about, so I place them next to Vermillionskies

[Elephant Parade]

EP - I'm going to be entirely honest, I didn't even realize you were going after CM until I looked through everyone's post history for the readslist. I was pushing CM on activity as much as I was because of the fact they only had seven posts and it had way too long since their last one.

CM's posts as of your inactivity callout:

Imp playing is playing Warehouse 13? Who would've thunk?/j

Anyways, Jim Groovester, why are you not a ghost?
@Ghosts(if you feel comfortable in sharing): What's your alignment?

CM, how worried are you about having your actions cancelled?

Very worried, I don't want to have a repeat of BYOM or FBYOR 6.

To whom it may concern, I was going to discuss a bit with you here.  Seems unneeded now.  Maybe give a bit more time unless you're sure you know what you're doing and what I am doing, and what I can do.

Or not.

What were you going to discuss about?

Can ghosts get infected? Because you can target ghosts. Or at least the game start post says you can, I don’t know the specifics of your buff, so you can do that if you’re worried about infecting the living.

PPE: are you responsible for the ghosts, Egan? If so, can you tell us if they ca get infected?

Nope.

Which question were you answering?

Someone get Tric a page, please, sometime, somehow, particularly if he becomes a ghost (and even if he doesn't).  I'll work towards that happening (what, you think I want the darn things?  Sure, but they have better uses and timing) if nobody else gets him a page, no idea if they have better uses.  They easily could.

I have a page and I'm willing to give it to him, but why would it help?

I actually had a passive to be able to act on night 0, and it was explicitly to give me more time to do things before being dead. Since as a ghost I am able to act, it implies that dead players being ghosts wasn't the only possible outcome of night 0, otherwise NQT would not have needed to give me that extra action.

Just to confirm, you ghostifying was something you knew was going to happen, correct?

I can't really read that conclusion based on what Egan said, especially the "it implies that dead players being ghosts wasn't the only possible outcome of night 0" part.

Egan being able to act N0 was because Egan was going to die by start of D1. However, ghosts can act implying that Egan wasn't going to turn into a ghost.

To whom it may concern, I was going to discuss a bit with you here.  Seems unneeded now.  Maybe give a bit more time unless you're sure you know what you're doing and what I am doing, and what I can do.

Or not.

What were you going to discuss about?

Crystalizedmire: When you asked this question, did you expect it to be answered?

I expected a partial answer, yes.

Your posts as of your inactivity callout:

Ghosts seem strange, especially because there's more than one to start.

Imp, do you have a team-chat again this game?

Fallacy, I feel legally obligated to apologize to you for the events of CYOM.
The same with Max, honestly, but less personally.

Tric, does your role want to kill town?

CM, how worried are you about having your actions cancelled?

I haven't spent much time with everyone else, but to anyone interested: Are you happy with the spheres you selected?

- -
Why is the fact there’s more than one an exacerbating factor?

I mean, you’re right, but why do you think that?

Do you like procedurals?
- -

If there were only one ghost, then it could be explained as being part of their role to start, and any additional ones afterwards came from their abilities.
The fact that there are two means that they either independently have ghost mechanics, or they were both made into ghosts by an ability, potentially during night zero.
That's what I find odd about it, at least.

Night zero was probably actionless, but that isn't a guarantee. From the night zero post:

N0 will last as long as I need to send out the PMs, answer role questions etc. Probably ~24 hours. Unless I tell you otherwise, this is an actionless phase.

Item claiming, because I just woke up.
I have a playing card and a Counter sphere item.

Imp, or anyone else who isn’t a sentient warehouse that would know, what are items doing in this setup?

If I remember correctly, Tric wanted to be lynched for info/ghost activities because they’re infected and due to die next morning.
I have no clue what their buff does, though.

Lost Page sounds vaguely… Slenderman-esque?

Hector, what can your role still do as a ghost?

All she'd done is discuss mechanics and fire off questions into the ether, but as far as I can tell, you'd done even less of the latter, with only a single, mechanical question outside of your RVS post. Going 8 hours without posting isn't much; doing it while online and under pressure makes it worth commenting on, but you didn't bring that in until it became clear that CM was widely unpopular. Were you aware that you had arguably posted even less content than CM? Can you make your actions make sense to me?

[TricMagic]

... Get the feeling Fal is not going to respond.

As a question Jack, why vote Max exactly?

[VermilionSkies]

EP - That's part of the reason why I did this. While I think that calling CM's contributions notably larger than mine is overblown, a poke like that forces both parties to engage with the game. The actual concern came from the fact that they didn't respond for sixteen hours after my first poke, closer to eighteen if you go by first vote.
While I could have participated in the infection or chatroom discussions, both of those were- for the most part -just waiting for the people who already had the information to share, which made me want to start new discussion.

[Jim Groovester]

CrystalizedMire in case I don't get a chance to check the thread again.

[FallacyofUrist]

... Get the feeling Fal is not going to respond.

I'm at work and posting from phone. I didn't even realize you asked me a question, honestly, but it's probably important that I at least try to answer it.

Old Jack vs New Jack. Too different to actually call it a meta-read.

... Fallacy, still got a feeling you aren't conductive... [3] Not sure how to put it, but the rando item trade on top of the chat I was in makes me feel that you're looking to get a power boost for your own purposes. Given that a third person could come into chat and steal both our wagers, especially if we hadn't made any so you get abilities instead? I feel like you want to steal something from Imp too as the 'winner' of the game. Suppose the main question is why, how, and who.

... Given you graciously posted a readlist, wouldn't be too surprised if it's among the ones you listed as scum together. Or could be among the list of three you made since easy enough to just focus on the other two. Assuming it's a 2 person scumteam with the infection around, and not 3 with the infector being among the scumteam?

[1] As a question how would you read CM when they haven't really posted anything Fal? Granted, 12 posts from you today but it's a slow game. [2] Who are your pick for today?

[1] Crystalizedmire unfortunately doesn't tend to be highly or moderately active during mafia games. I probably wouldn't be able to read much based on that, but I'd at least review the posts for anything odd. The night game is more likely to be fruitful in her case, just due to the relative day inactivity.

[2] See, the moment I say this, I feel like he's going to write up a full case on me and try to summon a bandwagon, but I feel like ToonyMan's been acting the weirdest today, what with placing an apparently serious vote on me because I'm "usually scum"?

At the very least Verm's been earning some additional credit, so I'm not sure if he's the best pick.

[3] My role is not the one that set up your weird sausage item bidding game chat. My role's theme will be very obvious day two.

I won't deny that my trade has a purpose. It's not like it's not obvious. I'm not looking to steal abilities, though.

[Maximum Spin]

Gonna go out on a limb here. Elephant Parade.

[Imp]

I'm still in pfp heck.

I am interested that Jim feels earnestness in Vermillion posting.

 And that Vermillion says his d1 always sucks.  This is my third game with verm maybe.  I don't remember thinking either sucked d1 or later.

This one doesn't suck either.  I don't see earnestness in the posts I get to see from verm, so I wonder what Jim sees.  I guess we don't see flips, so this may be interesting no matter what happens but I feel heebie geebies about Jim currently too.  And more sure of my verm vote.  Not sure if I can be here close to end of day, will if can.

[notquitethere]

The hour of darkness was almost upon them. Someone in the back started whispering the start of the ancient ritual chant... "Fire drill! Fire drill!"


Vote Count
- TricMagic
- Maximum Spin - Euchrejack (1.5) = [1.5]
- Elephant Parade -  Maximum Spin (1) = [1]
- Imp
- VermilionSkies - Imp (1), FallacyofUrist (1), Crystalizedmire (1) = [3]
- Crystalizedmire - Elephant Parade (1), VermilionSkies (1), Jim_Groovester (1) = [3]
- Toonyman
- Euchrejack
- FallacyofUrist - Toonyman (1), TricMagic (1) = [2]
- Jim_Groovester
- No Elimination

Ghosts
- Hector13
- Egan_BW

Ghosts cannot vote or be voted. They can use abilities and be targeted by abilities. Hammer at 6 votes. Day ends Wednesday 12AM GMT, in less than 2 hours time.


Trades

Trade Six of Hearts to Imp in exchange for a random item.

Trade Seven of Clubs(TricMagic) for Lost Page(EuchreJack)

Trade Lost Page(EuchreJack) for Seven of Clubs(TricMagic)

[Elephant Parade]

EP - That's part of the reason why I did this. While I think that calling CM's contributions notably larger than mine is overblown, a poke like that forces both parties to engage with the game. The actual concern came from the fact that they didn't respond for sixteen hours after my first poke, closer to eighteen if you go by first vote.
While I could have participated in the infection or chatroom discussions, both of those were- for the most part -just waiting for the people who already had the information to share, which made me want to start new discussion.

Mmmmmm I don't buy it. For one thing, what do you mean force both parties to engage? Lurker prodding isn't real engagement, and if you wanted to engage, you could have just done it, in a more productive way, without waiting for CM to stop lurking. VermillionSkies. CM is a close second, and I'll have egg on my face if I'm wrong, but I'd rather you were on the block today.

[TricMagic]

Imp, here is a simple question. Who do you trust with the power you gained? Who among them will become Buff?