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[Elephant Parade]

To whom it may concern, I was going to discuss a bit with you here.  Seems unneeded now.  Maybe give a bit more time unless you're sure you know what you're doing and what I am doing, and what I can do.

Or not.

What were you going to discuss about?

Crystalizedmire: When you asked this question, did you expect it to be answered?

I expected a partial answer, yes.

Why?

[EuchreJack]

What connection do you see there?

Unless Tric is lying someone had to pass it on, and unless the origin is themselves immune (which feels off to me for various reasons -- consider how explosively it would multiply) they'd have to die themselves after. You knew you were going to die N0 and yet had special permission to act anyway. Dying N0 feels like an Oops! All Red Spheres thing and I could see you submitting that kind of path.

... Sigh. Yeah, from what the status reads that's probably true. So they died of the infection Night 0, meaning a role that doesn't have to play the game to win. From that... NQT, do dead ghosts count for Town's win condition?


On another note, I'd ask Jack to reveal the name of the item for Imp to doublecheck before we trade. The cards don't seem to do anything, but the poker aesthetic suggests there is something up with them.

@TricImp: The item is called Lost Page.

Now to head back to work before I get fired.

[TricMagic]

So Max. Looking back you got a new ability. Feel like Egan should get a buff? Since the ghosts aren't making the argument for it yet.

[Egan_BW]

Being dead, I don't really see what I'd need buffs for. If you really think that you can't trust Hector with it, though, I guess you can go for it.

[Imp]

Pfp yuck.

Tric, why did you want to be d1 elim and do you still?

[hector13]

Thinking on it Jack's votes might be related to cards. But there isn't much difference between 1.5 votes and 2 votes.

... An extra vote isn't a huge issue to deal with, so long as we catch mafia before it becomes a problem. Assuming Jack isn't mafia but they didn't have...

Moving on, I think Fal might have been the one to put us in the sasuga chat. A random ability and item betting, playing cards abound, and now trading for a random item? Sounds like gacha mechanics. No one else has claimed to at this point, and it feels the most right.

Actions I can do right now are buff up a ghost, with full understanding that I can't tell if they're mafia. Die to lynch or at end of night. Or take a gamble on a page. Not mutually exclusive, so.. Egan, Hector. Put forth your arguments on what I should do. Preferably in the next 12 hours.

What you should do is the opposite of what you think you should do, which is easy in this instance if you’re limiting yourself to a binary choice. I personally wouldn’t, but you do you.

Why are you worrying about extra votes? Why are you not pressing EJ?

Pfp yuck.

Tric, why did you want to be d1 elim and do you still?

Tric is a D2 lynch, for what I would hope were obvious reasons.

Why waste a D1 lynch on someone who has claimed they’ll die anyway? How does that help your wincon?

What connection do you see there?

Unless Tric is lying someone had to pass it on, and unless the origin is themselves immune (which feels off to me for various reasons -- consider how explosively it would multiply) they'd have to die themselves after. You knew you were going to die N0 and yet had special permission to act anyway. Dying N0 feels like an Oops! All Red Spheres thing and I could see you submitting that kind of path.

You’re making some pretty significant assumptions about how NQT would create and balance a game there.

I’m not really into this discussion, but I also don’t like that you’re ruling things out with zero knowledge beyond Tric’s claim

Assume the person infecting can still continue infecting. How would you balance that?

[VermilionSkies]

If I remember correctly, Tric wanted to be lynched for info/ghost activities because they’re infected and due to die next morning.
I have no clue what their buff does, though.

Lost Page sounds vaguely… Slenderman-esque?

Hector, what can your role still do as a ghost?

[Elephant Parade]

@Hector: I am, yes, this is all gut and inference. Having the plaguebearer die N0 just feels like the simplest and most elegant solution, and it'd start a one-death-a-night pattern that'd last until a plague victim acted on multiple people or avoided acting on a living person. There are obviously infinite alternatives (e.g., an auto that causes another player to begin with the plague), but none of them feel as right.

[Imp]

Quoting and trim too hard for my pfpness.

CrystalizedMire, you asked about why lost page to Tric (Tric yes I confirm name).  It may help the situation he is in, though obviously, since you have a page to see, it won't save his life.

Ghosts cannot trade, can be given items.  I am interested in a page in Trics hands and think it could help in some way(s) based on what has been said.

Two pages in Trics hands may or may not be the best option, one is probably enough.  Look forward to whatever you do with yours.

Re Slenderman like, they are lost from a historic book.  I don't know anything about Slenderman and pages (I know about kids murdering in connection to Slenderman, and not where I can research easily yet, so not sure what you mean there)

[Maximum Spin]

So Max. Looking back you got a new ability. Feel like Egan should get a buff? Since the ghosts aren't making the argument for it yet.

I would lean toward buffing Egan over hector on the grounds that targeting me with this second-wincon keepalive power is not mafia-aligned behavior, although it is strictly speaking third-party-aligned.

[hector13]

If I remember correctly, Tric wanted to be lynched for info/ghost activities because they’re infected and due to die next morning.
I have no clue what their buff does, though.

Lost Page sounds vaguely… Slenderman-esque?

Hector, what can your role still do as a ghost?

I mean, there are more subtle ways to rolefish, but the Slenderman thing is a good shout.

He’s going to die, so why are we going to waste a lynch on him? It would come down to consensus, not suspicion, so we don’t really learn anything about motivations or anything like that, which is something I personally like to see in a Day 1 lynch.

I get removing a potential hazard to the town but… that’s fully within Tric’s control; if he doesn’t want to infect someone, he doesn’t have to act.

@Hector: I am, yes, this is all gut and inference. Having the plaguebearer die N0 just feels like the simplest and most elegant solution, and it'd start a one-death-a-night pattern that'd last until a plague victim acted on multiple people or avoided acting on a living person. There are obviously infinite alternatives (e.g., an auto that causes another player to begin with the plague), but none of them feel as right.

I’m not asking you to say what feels right or wrong. Assuming the player (if indeed it is a player, let’s just assume that too) who infected Tric can infect other players, as well as Tric being able to pass it on, too, as well as anyone who gets infected beyond that, what would you do to balance that? Or what might you expect to balance it, or anything along those lines.

I get you’re assuming what makes sense to you. You don’t have to answer, because really it doesn’t matter, I just don’t want people to get into the mindset that this isn’t going to get worse, when it very easily could. Forewarned is forearmed, or something like that.


@Imp the Slenderman games are all about collecting pages to escape Slenderman (I think?) but the more pages you collect, the more Slenderman tries to attack you. Pretty sure there’s a Slenderman wiki kicking about, I can link it if you want?

And you also learn why walls-of-text are no fun for me, as I play pretty exclusively on my phone.

[Elephant Parade]

Oh, I didn't respond to your balance question. I can't immediately think of a remotely elegant way to balance that given what we know (?) about the plague condition. If everyone who has it dies at the end of the night and infects anyone they act on, and the originator can keep infecting people, then there would need to be some kind of massive hidden drawback—I think it would take something as extreme as 'only one random infected player can die at night', and if the plaguebearer was mafia, you'd have to add on 'and it will always be a mafioso if possible.'

ppe: ninja'd because I forgot to actually post this

[Egan_BW]

So Max. Looking back you got a new ability. Feel like Egan should get a buff? Since the ghosts aren't making the argument for it yet.

I would lean toward buffing Egan over hector on the grounds that targeting me with this second-wincon keepalive power is not mafia-aligned behavior, although it is strictly speaking third-party-aligned.

Not so much third party aligned as second wincon aligned, since both can exist in this game. I am town with the wincon sphere, not third party. So I could choose to ignore my special wincon and hope that town wins just as much as I could ignore the actual game and play to my wincon.

[Maximum Spin]

Not so much third party aligned as second wincon aligned, since both can exist in this game. I am town with the wincon sphere, not third party. So I could choose to ignore my special wincon and hope that town wins just as much as I could ignore the actual game and play to my wincon.

I just mean that it is certainly not playing toward a mafia win, because if you are mafia with a second wincon, I WANT you to play for your second wincon.

[notquitethere]

Tric, I answered your question in my previous post. Ghosts are dead players and count as such for any wincon.