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Author Topic: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Game Over: Outplayed  (Read 7333 times)

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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Day 3: Fallen Fiend (6 / 10)
« Reply #270 on: December 29, 2024, 02:08:03 pm »

This is a hard decision.

NQT picked me to chat with.  He started it yesterday (D3, but like 24ish hour ago)

This is not the strategically best decision, I think.  If we no-elim D3 and we have a death N3 then NQT could then take his best town pick and report D4 (which would surely happen?  We'd have 5 alive?  If there's 2 maf they need to equal or exceed other players to win; if we have 3 maf then they're hunting SK to end it, I see no evidence of that).

And Max discussed that with the no-elim idea.  We could get NQT's help D4.  Except then NQT opened the chat with me.  I don't think he's closely reading our thread, he's not even really closely discussing with me.  I am showing him screenshots and sure he can read the thread, I just don't think he was.

But I think we SHOULD elim today.  Who matters a lot.

Everything is paraphrase of course, quotes are strictly forbidden.

NQT thinks Crystal is probably town, and he thinks Jack should be our elim today.  He told me he almost picked Crystal to open the chat with, but he also thinks I'm town and I talk more.

We debated if I should share the chat, he actually showed some concern I might be the elim and he suggested he would, if I reported honestly, show where he hid a message to confirm he was talking to me.

I was concerned the chance he could use his chat D4 might help us pin maf better, since whoever dies if anyone has a story to tell that he could bring to us, but that matters most if we don't elim.  I also wanted to see if maf might counter claim the chat, I'm sure no town would lie - town please don't because this could be bad.  I swear I have the chat with NQT.  And I'm sure I could convince past a counterclaim, and wanted to explore if that would happen.  But we're like an hour to EoD and with no likely plan; if honest Hyper currently has to jail Max and Verm already says he plans to block me and right now we're set to kill the protect claim.  So there's no value in 'catching someone out' with the chance NQT reveals from deadchat what happened to the N3 dead if any, especially since he can't :(

N1 NJW redirected Max to Imp.
N2 Tric confirms he was blocked.

That's all the news from deadchat NQT brings.

He wants us to consolidate on Jack, or whatever else we do but JACK is his top scum pick.

NQT was also confused about Jack's claims.  I'm not and screenshot to share why I'm not confused about Jack's claims- and NQT said that cleared up what he wanted me to ask Jack about, but he still suspects Jack the most. I asked for more clear reasons and NQT still hasn't explained them.  This absolutely sucks because I think this is more likely town Jack than anti-town Jack - but I've never seen Jack have an anti-town partner past D1.  Some of you have.

I actually sus CrystalizedMire the most.  I think the odds of 1 or both of CrystalizedMire and Jack being anti-town and able to kill is very high.  My next highest sus is Hyper, I really, really, really think Verm is town from his posts and play and I think Max cannot kill if he is anti-town and we must kill maf today.  If Max is something like mally we must elim him after getting maf out, and he can't be maf - I'd be dead.  But I think those who can kill are extremely likely to be between Jack, CrystalizedMire, and Hyper, 2/3 or 3/3 antitown there and those are our 2/3 or 3/3 able to kill.

But we also can't elim an SK today if there is an SK, because then if maf lands a kill tonight maf wins.  We literally elim maf OR catch maf's kill tonight, or maf wins - if we elim non-maf and maf lands a kill, the only way the game continues is if there's an SK (and why does that SK never kill?  Dousing?  SK are promised more powerful roles because they are alone, it's in the OP.  They can hide it, but seriously, if SK where are the deaths?).

So it is vital that both happen, and if we no-elim today and maf land a kill tonight (more targets, more chances to miss the actual kill target, and maf are as glad to kill an SK as they are a mally as they are town - they just need to equal non-maf numbers, that's their bleeping wincon) then we must elim maf D4.  And NQT can't help us know the report from any N3 kill.

NQT suspects Verm and Jack are the maf.  I am not good with partners but really think Verm is town because this looks and feels like town Verm.

Verm, if you are town, whomever you block tonight is the game deciding factor.  If you manage to pick the maf that does the kill, we get more time to solve this.

If Crystal flips maf, we can survive missing a kill.  If crystal flips anything else, 100% we need you to do that block, because Crystal won't be there to protect and if Hyper's honest he can only jail Max.  So you block that maf that does the kill, or it's game over I think.

You can block me.  I tell you right now, I am town and if I was maf I'd just know to have my partner do the kill, if that isn't Crystal who we see flip maf if that happens.  I swear to you, being predictable is going to cost us the game.  Think.  And be as sure you can be that you block the correct person, **especially** if the elim does not flip maf.  If we see a maf flip it's not urgent.

If we see a non-maf flip, you are the last chance we have to win.  And I'd bet town on you being town.

NQT wouldn't, he thinks you and Jack are teamed.  I just want you to pick the best target to block.  Seriously, if I'm maf and we don't flip maf with elim today, my partner can do the kill.  I don't need to tell you that as maf.  I do desperately need you to know it as town.  I can't kill, I haven't killed.  And you can block me.  If we don't flip maf today, your blocking me ensures town cannot win, because I am not the maf killer.  I'm also not SK, I am town.  But please for the sake of town, think well.  Especially if we elim Crystal and Crystal is not maf.  That means there's 2 maf and one is attempting a kill.  Even if you're sure I'm maf, then my partner does the kill.  If I'm not maf, one of the surviving maf does the kill.

You block that person, if Crystal flips anything but maf, and there is a D4.

Otherwise, if there's a D4, it's because there is for sure an SK.  Why no kills yet?  Who the flip knows.  Douser?  Did the SK target the maf kill N1 and N2?  Did something weirder happen?  I don't think we have an SK.

But omg, VermillionSkies.  You are the last hope of town if you are not maf and if we don't flip maf today.  Be a genius and find the one person to block that is gonna do the kill, and if not, you're still awesome and precious and I am so glad to play beside you.



Shall we consolidate on Jack?  NQT thinks so.  I lean weakly towny on Jack but I don't know how he plays with a partner, just that this is a poor match to his solo anti-town lower stress play and a good match for his town high-stress play.  I can accept a Jack elim, it's probably the best call.  Max thinks so, NQT thinks so.

Shall we elim CrystalizedMire?  I don't want to see a not-maf flip there, but she actually is my top scum pick.  And all my other top scum picks were town.  Which absolutely sucks.  I think we should elim between those two, and if Jack would heavily bus under stress, they could be our maf team.

But here we are, less than an hour to go - and NQT still hasn't told me why he thinks it's most likely Jack so I can paraphrase why.
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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Day 3: Fallen Fiend (6 / 10)
« Reply #271 on: December 29, 2024, 02:13:24 pm »

I don't think it's Euchrejack so I'll put my vote on Hyper for now due to the fact that they've only voted once this entire game. Besides, in this game I tie will do the exact same thing as no elimination.

And I don't think the tangle of Jack/CrystalizedMire/whomever their partner is cares about a possible hammer.  I do think there's maf in at least one or both of those two.
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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Day 3: Fallen Fiend (6 / 10)
« Reply #272 on: December 29, 2024, 02:16:49 pm »

EuchreJack.
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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Day 3: Fallen Fiend (6 / 10)
« Reply #273 on: December 29, 2024, 02:21:49 pm »

Alright.
Read up to date in the thread here.
Shoot Euchrejack, block Crystal, pray Hyper doesn't commit a murder.
Having just been scum with EJ one game ago, I can see this being scumEJ.
I'm not confident in this whatsoever, but here we are.
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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Day 3: Fallen Fiend (6 / 10)
« Reply #274 on: December 29, 2024, 02:24:20 pm »

Alright.
Read up to date in the thread here.
Shoot Euchrejack, block Crystal, pray Hyper doesn't commit a murder.
Having just been scum with EJ one game ago, I can see this being scumEJ.
I'm not confident in this whatsoever, but here we are.

Crystal is voting Hyper.

If Hyper is honest, Hyper can and will block Crystal or Max.

Hyper is in my sus pool for could kill, as is Crystal and Jack.

Consider that.

We're also at L-1.  Nobody's hammering.  Maf would if they like the choice, or think it's a bad idea.

OMG blockers.  You know your align and must make your own decisions. 
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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Day 3: Fallen Fiend (6 / 10)
« Reply #275 on: December 29, 2024, 02:27:22 pm »

Do you want me to track Hyper, Verm, Crystal, or you?
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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Day 3: Fallen Fiend (6 / 10)
« Reply #276 on: December 29, 2024, 02:29:58 pm »

Do you want me to track Hyper, Verm, Crystal, or you?

Make your best call.  Maf is gonna use any plans as they wish.

If we flip maf today we have more choices.

If not, and if maf lands a kill, it's over or there's an SK.

I need to see the flip before I even decide who I pick to try and follow.  You can say who you choose if you think it helps your wincon.  Right now it's all on those who can stop kills, I think.
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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Day 3: Fallen Fiend (6 / 10)
« Reply #277 on: December 29, 2024, 02:46:14 pm »

Do you want me to track Hyper, Verm, Crystal, or you?
how are you going to track if you are jailkept? unless you repeal your request to be protected tonight.
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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Day 3: Fallen Fiend (6 / 10)
« Reply #278 on: December 29, 2024, 02:49:29 pm »

Do you want me to track Hyper, Verm, Crystal, or you?
how are you going to track if you are jailkept? unless you repeal your request to be protected tonight.
Not at all, you should do what you think is best. But I should still submit an action, surely, even if it's just only to confirm whether or not I was jailkept...
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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Day 3: Fallen Fiend (6 / 10)
« Reply #279 on: December 29, 2024, 02:52:54 pm »

I want an elim today.  Someone not the top vote is voting Hyper, that does give Hyper a target to block.

If Max shifts his vote to Hyper, that ties and no elim.

I understand Hyper wants no elim and isn't voting, but with this as the current votecount, Hyper also can't tie the vote.

I believe we're at:
EuchreJack (3): Imp, Maximum Spin, VermillionSkies
Crystalizedmire (1):, EuchreJack
Hyper (1): Crystalizedmire,
Imp (0):
Maximum Spin (0):
VermillionSkies (0):

No Execution (0):

Not Voting (1): Hyper

4 to hammer.


I really want an elim today, of either Jack or Crystal and I think one or both of those does land maf, and maybe that's 2 of 2.
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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Day 3: Fallen Fiend (6 / 10)
« Reply #280 on: December 29, 2024, 02:55:30 pm »

Well, it is what it is. Now we see who is right, and who is dead.
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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Day 3: Fallen Fiend (6 / 10)
« Reply #281 on: December 29, 2024, 03:23:36 pm »

I want an elim today.  Someone not the top vote is voting Hyper, that does give Hyper a target to block.

If Max shifts his vote to Hyper, that ties and no elim.

I understand Hyper wants no elim and isn't voting, but with this as the current votecount, Hyper also can't tie the vote.

I believe we're at:
EuchreJack (3): Imp, Maximum Spin, VermillionSkies
Crystalizedmire (1):, EuchreJack
Hyper (1): Crystalizedmire,
Imp (0):
Maximum Spin (0):
VermillionSkies (0):

No Execution (0):

Not Voting (1): Hyper

4 to hammer.


I really want an elim today, of either Jack or Crystal and I think one or both of those does land maf, and maybe that's 2 of 2.
if you really want an elimination today, we need to have one person voting jack vote me to get jailkept, then crystal and i vote jack. jack is hammered and i jailkeep whoever feels they need it. or you discuss to see if any of you three (imp, max, verm) are most likely to be mafia.
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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Day 3: Fallen Fiend (6 / 10)
« Reply #282 on: December 29, 2024, 03:35:20 pm »

Panic rises among the remaining six, and as the sun sets, half their number turn their eyes to EuchreJack.

His face shows surprise, horror, anger, and then the grimace of the departed, as improvised spears pierce him.

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Imp (0):
Maximum Spin (0):
Crystalizedmire (1): EuchreJack
EuchreJack (3): Imp, Maximum Spin, VermillionSkies
VermillionSkies (0):
Hyper (1): Crystalizedmire

No Execution (0):

Not Voting (1): Hyper

4 to hammer.

EuchreJack has been executed.

Yet...

There are no weapons amongst his belongings, only textbooks and notebooks, some looted from Starver's own possessions.

EuchreJack was Town. EuchreJack was an Investigative Student.

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Investigative Student (Town)
Carrying on the lessons of those before is no simple art.
(Auto) Investigative Backup: You carry on the trades of those scholars who have died before you. Whenever a player with an investigative role dies, you gain a 1-Shot version of one of their actions.
(1-Shot, Night) Investigate [target]: You piece together clues from your target's surroundings. You learn whether your target attempted to use a kill action this Night.



Only five of you remain, and a dread feeling suffuses the island.

Death.

Night 3 has begun. Night 3 will end at 2:30 PM Central time Monday, December 30th - or faster if actions are received promptly.
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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Night 3: Looming Dread (5 / 10)
« Reply #283 on: December 29, 2024, 05:46:35 pm »

Only four remain. Crystalizedmire has taken several bullets to the chest, and without body armor to save her, the wounds proved entirely fatal.

Crystalizedmire was Town.

Perhaps she could protect others, but herself... not so much.

Crystalizedmire was a Bodyguard.

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Some say saving a life is worth any cost.
(Night) Protect [target]: You protect your target with your life. Your target is protected from up to one kill action. If you prevent a kill with this action, you are killed by it instead.

Maximum Spin and VermillionSkies first look at each other, then at Imp and Hyper, both holding out pistols.

"Really shouldn't have trusted me." Hyper fires his gun.

Imp proves to be more cheerful. "No hard feelings!" Imp fires her gun.

Maximum Spin and VermillionSkies were endgamed.

Maximum Spin was an Even-Night Tracker.

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When the moon shines, truth will be revealed, by its light.
(Auto) Even Night: You have terrible night vision, and can only act on even-numbered Nights.
(Night) Track [target]: You follow your target's tracks, and learn who they visited this Night.

VermillionSkies was a 2-Shot Roleblocker.

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2-Shot Roleblocker (Town)
Not enough shots for everyone.
(2-Shot, Night) Roleblock [target]: You shoot your target with a tranquilizer, roleblocking them.

Imp and Hyper look to each other, satisfied with a job well done - really, the town never seemed to stand a chance.

Together, they work to clean up the remains of their killings and the evidence of sabotage, and then once that's finished, they set up a signal fire and wait to be rescued.

It only takes a few more days, and they have ten people's worth of survival rations to keep them hale and healthy.



Game Over. Imp and Hyper have won! Maximum Spin, TricMagic, NJW2000, Crystalizedmire, EuchreJack, Starver, notquitethere, and VermillionSkies have lost.

Honorable mention goes to TricMagic, who nearly nightkilled Imp on Night 1.
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Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 / Game Over: Outplayed
« Reply #284 on: December 29, 2024, 05:50:23 pm »

GUH
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