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[notquitethere]

I'm willing to extend Hyper benefit of the doubt here.

clarify?

Unless I've missed it, you haven't voted anyone yet and day's nearly up. Town can and do play too passively but it's not usually possible to win that way if we all do that. It's only D1 and town don't know anything but voting still acts as a solid indication of commitments. Put simply: scum won't usually eliminate their allies for no reason. Who people are willing to vote for or not vote for (especially when scum are on the chopping block) tells us something.

[Hyper]

NJW, his focus on pursuing Imp feels overly aggressive to me. perhaps he’s justified and im missing something, but it seems almost disproportionate(?) to the people he could be spreading his attention across.

That said, who is it that I could be proportionately spreading my attention towards, regarding scumhunting? Because I've seen one read on Tric from you. If other people have put content out there to merit reads or questions, it'd be worth hearing who.

now that you ask (and i’ll refer to them as null as imp did), Max appears to be following a pattern similar to Tric, though with more engagement and openness.
 
as for NQT, he seems more focused on analyzing others while revealing little about himself. it’s  unclear to me whether this is due to a lack of direct questions or intentional deflection — both are valid possibilities. i didnt want to just rattle off a list of names, especially since i dont know each of you personally, just the game.

[Imp]

I'm gambling on a very slight edge from a small shift in vibes from Imp, because most people haven't given us pressure, content or even many posts, possibly due to forum issues.

Oh, I've got a big shift in vibes.  But it's not because of alignment - and you guys have seen me as scum in Tric's everyone-is-a-vig-even-maf game.  I don't expect anyone to read the off-forum huge game where I was teamed maf, but I was highly active from D1 there, super trusted and given execution control for the elim D3 from trust/desperation of most town.

I'm kinda desperate and miserable irl right now, I get to pick from about 3 equally bad choices and about 50 much worse ones - but I don't like any of the three 'better' ones.  I'm sure I'd be this kinda vibes as anti-town, but I prefer being town.  This game I'm just town without the usual hooks; I don't have the kinda mech to dig into that we often do and our game as a whole is pretty quiet, and I look at the game and remember that I gotta do so much before this evening irl and I scramble and freak out instead of post - you're welcome everyone who doesn't love reading post after post after post from Imp especially when others are not posting much.

No, I don't want to replace, and I am playing.  I'd be in more stress without the game and I'm glad for the game, but that's my vibes.

I notice possible team-like coordination between NJW and NQT.  Masons - scum - not actually teamed - no idea and I don't think I'm good or reliable at catching teamed behavior - a weakness I've been trying to work on.  Concerned, willing to give more time, I'm sure things will happen with whomever the survivors are and we see flips of whomever flips and we can sort it out.  But if one's scum consider the other careful, in case I'm not here to remind about later.

CM, why are you so quiet this game?

If I get off NJW who I am worried about, my choices are CrystalizedMire or Starver; I think Hyper's more likely newer town.  NQT could be anti-town, he's something, but like Max I think he's very useful if town.  I don't want to vote any of my town leans or nulls.

I'm not sure enough about NJW to insist on him.  I am concerned, but nowhere near the level I was of web in CYOS or Verm in CYOS2.

Between CM and Starver, Starver's talking and I'd rather encourage that even if all the talk's fluff - but fluff concerns me a lot.  CM is usually talking as any role, but 'talk or die' makes sense to me, and I see that most are not as concerned about NJW as I am.  Hope we have some solvers who can help sort stuff out at night; for this moment let's see who cares about CM if anyone, even CM herself.

Starver.  What is each person doing in this game, and why?  I need to see the game through your eyes, you math wiz or whatever you are.

[Maximum Spin]

I mean, I'd like it on the record that this has been a very quiet D1, and I'm not particularly happy with the state of play.

Half the time when I try reloading the page it doesn't work so I just come back a couple hours later.

[Hyper]

Unless I've missed it, you haven't voted anyone yet and day's nearly up. Town can and do play too passively but it's not usually possible to win that way if we all do that. It's only D1 and town don't know anything but voting still acts as a solid indication of commitments. Put simply: scum won't usually eliminate their allies for no reason. Who people are willing to vote for or not vote for (especially when scum are on the chopping block) tells us something.

that’s correct — i havent actually cast a hard vote yet, and there are reasons to my hesitation. i don’t want to risk setting town back early for two main reasons:
1. voting town off this early could lose the game in the next couple days, even if we technically have a higher chance to hitting a mafia in the coming days
2. i have no idea who holds which roles (or if they’re even in play). accidentally voting off nurse or cop (thank you wiki.mafiascum.net) would weaken our chances.
that said, i do understand where you’re coming from about the danger of not voting. i’ll make sure to cast before the day is up.
a question in return — open to anyone willing to answer:
what’s your read on the game’s pace so far? Does it feel like it’s creeping slowly, or is it just stagnant/slow, as i’ve read? besides the person you’re voting for, who else has been drawing your attention?

[FallacyofUrist]

The bickering continues, and now that the ration packs are open, several people are sharpening sticks into spears or gathering pieces of scrap metal to use as knives.

Execution. Such a restrained word to use for what is essentially murder.

But it's for a good cause, isn't it? Someone blew up your plane.

Imp (2): TricMagic, NJW2000
Maximum Spin (0):
TricMagic (0):
NJW2000 (1): EuchreJack
Crystalizedmire (2): notquitethere, Imp
EuchreJack (0):
Starver (1): Maximum Spin
notquitethere (0):
VermillionSkies (0):
Hyper (0):

No Execution (0):

Not Voting (4): Crystalizedmire, Starver, VermillionSkies, Hyper

6 to hammer.

Day 1 ends at 6 PM Central time, in approximately 4 hours, or upon a hammer.

In the event that the forum is 504ing at the time the Day should end, I'll extend it by an additional few hours once it comes back up.

If anyone spots what you believe to be a votecount error, please do point it out and I'll look into it - I count manually.

[Crystalizedmire]

CrystallizedMire: what do you think Starver is doing in this post? What do you think of their play so far?

Starver seems to just answering some questions they were asked about. There aren't really a lot of things of note about that post because it honestly feels like nothing and reads like nothing. It feels more like trying to appear town rather than being town.

CrystalizedMire:  One post, very focused on Tric's miller claim/ joking about being a miller is townie, thinks Tric's joking about miller claim, and disputes Jack about Tric attacking first person who thinks Tric's town.  Da what.  Need to hear more from Crystalizedmire.

I thought that Tric might be joking about being a miller because of the fact that millerness was written in red and bold.

Right don't think this is Imp.

As a reminder my role was game was DOMS. Which is related to overworking muscles at the gym. Which I try and do Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. It's cold and I worked hard to make up for missing some days last week.

Could you explain why?

CM, why are you so quiet this game?

I'm quiet this game as I'm busier than usual and more tired lately. Day's nearly up and I still haven't voted anybody yet.

[TricMagic]

Meanwhile I got very little to say. I beleive Imp's mafia, and nothing has popped up to dissuade me from that notion.

Yes the vote on someone who has made one post for lurking counts as iffy. Why so quick Imp? Normally you wait until the last hours of the day to panic and decide on votes. Day 1 doesn't have much.

[Starver]

Starver.  What is each person doing in this game, and why?  I need to see the game through your eyes, you math wiz or whatever you are.

...broad question, how to easily answer?

All I have is what you're seeing. Who has talked to who, and how. And, who isn't talking to who. All information available to anybody, including those who keep saying "...in that other game, they...", which is currently my biggest blind-spot. Don't expect sparks of genius from me.


Am I just being asked the same question in different ways? No problem with it though I'm therefore giving the same answer in different ways. Can't go beyond any possible logic (or social skills) I currently possess. I've no brilliant insights (yet!), and I'm less good at smalltalk than Smalltalk...  About the only exception is getting Maximum voting for me, which... well, that's Maximum for you! Not worth even a counter-vote. 

CrystallizedMire: what do you think Starver is doing in this post? What do you think of their play so far?

Starver seems to just answering some questions they were asked about. There aren't really a lot of things of note about that post because it honestly feels like nothing and reads like nothing. It feels more like trying to appear town rather than being town.

...a not unreasonable read, if you don't know me from old. Can't help a townie trying not to not look like townie, of course, however badly. I found the question itself quite funny, though.

[Crystalizedmire]

Unless I've missed it, you haven't voted anyone yet and day's nearly up. Town can and do play too passively but it's not usually possible to win that way if we all do that. It's only D1 and town don't know anything but voting still acts as a solid indication of commitments. Put simply: scum won't usually eliminate their allies for no reason. Who people are willing to vote for or not vote for (especially when scum are on the chopping block) tells us something.

that’s correct — i havent actually cast a hard vote yet, and there are reasons to my hesitation. i don’t want to risk setting town back early for two main reasons:
1. voting town off this early could lose the game in the next couple days, even if we technically have a higher chance to hitting a mafia in the coming days
2. i have no idea who holds which roles (or if they’re even in play). accidentally voting off nurse or cop (thank you wiki.mafiascum.net) would weaken our chances.
that said, i do understand where you’re coming from about the danger of not voting. i’ll make sure to cast before the day is up.
a question in return — open to anyone willing to answer:
what’s your read on the game’s pace so far? Does it feel like it’s creeping slowly, or is it just stagnant/slow, as i’ve read? besides the person you’re voting for, who else has been drawing your attention?

Do you think there is any advantage to voting near the deadline?

CrystallizedMire: what do you think Starver is doing in this post? What do you think of their play so far?

Starver seems to just answering some questions they were asked about. There aren't really a lot of things of note about that post because it honestly feels like nothing and reads like nothing. It feels more like trying to appear town rather than being town.

...a not unreasonable read, if you don't know me from old. Can't help a townie trying not to not look like townie, of course, however badly. I found the question itself quite funny, though.

I can't know you from old because I'm relatively newer. Good point on it being an interesting question though.
NJW: Why did you ask me about that post in particular

[notquitethere]

1. voting town off this early could lose the game in the next couple days, even if we technically have a higher chance to hitting a mafia in the coming days

Let's assume with 10 players there are 2 mafia and maybe 1 mafia-ally. That leaves at least 7 town. Let's assume only one kill per night and that the mafia are always successful. If we eliminate town the first two days, we arrive at MYLO at the start of D3:

D1 - 3 scum, 7 town
D2 - 3 scum, 5 town
D3 - 3 scum, 3 town = MYLO

If we vote not to eliminate, I think we end up at the same point, but having had only one chance of directing a kill against scum:

D1 - 3 scum, 7 town
D2 - 3 scum, 6 town
D3 - 3 scum, 4 town  = MYLO

So the best thing to do is to eliminate now.

2. i have no idea who holds which roles (or if they’re even in play). accidentally voting off nurse or cop (thank you wiki.mafiascum.net) would weaken our chances.

That's a danger, but fundamentally most games are won or lost in the daygame: scum are more often found out from how they play rather than an alignment inspection.

what’s your read on the game’s pace so far? Does it feel like it’s creeping slowly, or is it just stagnant/slow, as i’ve read? besides the person you’re voting for, who else has been drawing your attention?

It's been slow, yeah-- I think it's because it's the holidays and people might be a little busier with family plans than normal (certainly I have) and also the forum has been really janky recently with all the 504s. It's not normally this unstable.

I'm a little leary of Imp. She put me in her top three suspects after I voted her, which could point to a classic scum mindset: prioritising people who might vote you out as targets.

I think NJW is engaged in a good way, I want to keep him around.

I don't have a good fix on Starver but have liked the recent posts. Ditto Max, Euchrejack I suppose.

Crystal has beetlejuiced back into the thread, but I didn't hate their last post. Definitely on my would investigate pile...

Vermillionskies has had no drive to actually catch scum and has only two posts: some questions answered and some reads. This is the only question V has asked all day, some softball rolefish:

Tric - What do you think the strongest role in this setup could be?

Let's get rid!

[Hyper]

Do you think there is any advantage to voting near the deadline?

it allows me to gain the most comprehensive perspective of who is possibly town, and that makes it easier to not vote for them by accident.

[Hyper]

If we vote not to eliminate, I think we end up at the same point, but having had only one chance of directing a kill against scum. So the best thing to do is to eliminate now.

That's a danger, but fundamentally most games are won or lost in the daygame: scum are more often found out from how they play rather than an alignment inspection.

Vermillionskies has had no drive to actually catch scum and has only two posts: some questions answered and some reads.

right, that makes perfect sense.
in my experience, the roles often have the biggest influence towards the conclusion, so thanks for the info!
and i appreciate the clarification about the 504s and people — i assumed it was as frequent as it seemed because no one mentioned otherwise. your argument against vermillion is reasonable, but with 2 hours left till nightfall and my need to leave before then, as well as my own reasoning, i’ll stick to my guns and cast a quick Tric.

[NJW2000]

NJW: Why did you ask me about that post in particular

I thought that the way you chose to answer might help me work out if you were partnered with somebody... as it happened, I don't think your reply was outside your town range. Wasn't the only reason I asked... I thought the discussion it led to might be revealing in certain ways.


Hmm... NQT is right that Verm has done very little. But my gut is ok with what they have don.

EuchreJack: do you think you'll vote someone who's been pressing people or someone who's been hanging back?


The Imp < Tric < Hyper vote pattern interests me... does make me feel there might be something there. Tric is posting unusually... but they do seem genuinely tired, and it would be an odd bit of coaching to tell them to just try and vote out Imp. Max might do it on the basis that I'm stubborn and would stay on the Imp wagon... but he's more likely to tell a scum partner to just vote someone who doesn't defend themselves well... or to vote me. Hmmm. I still feel ok about my vote, though it's a bit early for associative tells.

[Crystalizedmire]

If we vote not to eliminate, I think we end up at the same point, but having had only one chance of directing a kill against scum. So the best thing to do is to eliminate now.

That's a danger, but fundamentally most games are won or lost in the daygame: scum are more often found out from how they play rather than an alignment inspection.

Vermillionskies has had no drive to actually catch scum and has only two posts: some questions answered and some reads.

right, that makes perfect sense.
in my experience, the roles often have the biggest influence towards the conclusion, so thanks for the info!
and i appreciate the clarification about the 504s and people — i assumed it was as frequent as it seemed because no one mentioned otherwise. your argument against vermillion is reasonable, but with 2 hours left till nightfall and my need to leave before then, as well as my own reasoning, i’ll stick to my guns and cast a quick Tric.

Why Tricmagic?(Asking this question if you're still here, I won't hold it against you)