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[Imp]

Good job Imp & Hyper!

Thank you!

I'm sorry for the stress D3.  If things had worked differently you absolutely would have been a survivor to endgame too.

I'm really glad you played and I hope you had fun for most of it!

[Imp]

Not been following this game, but sounds like good job to Esk!

Thanks!

Lemme tell you about Hyper though....

Newbie here, manages to slip into this 10p game with inexperienced maf me and help get us through this game.  Never gets really sussed, just a little.  Super effective role, great use of it, and has ideas and listens, negotiates with me, together we find answers.  Excellent partner, I'm already envious of his next scumbuddy.

[Hyper]

Not been following this game, but sounds like good job to Esk!

Thanks!

Lemme tell you about Hyper though....

Newbie here, manages to slip into this 10p game with inexperienced maf me and help get us through this game.  Never gets really sussed, just a little.  Super effective role, great use of it, and has ideas and listens, negotiates with me, together we find answers.  Excellent partner, I'm already envious of his next scumbuddy.

:P
thank you for the consideration. hopefully it wasn’t newbie buff that got me this far.
i pray i dont get mafia next game, i would never recover from the d1 lynch allegations.

[Imp]

There's not much to reveal from my own stint that I haven't revealed already. I ended up with having the least possible information possible, and it shows.

I misread EJ horribly (though I wasn't tempted to try to get a D1 wagon, I was going to investigate them N1). About the only correct assumption I made, was Hyper and a partner (but balanced by the equally-balanced assumption that it was NQT and a partner).

Three of the four that voted me off were people I clearly couldn't read reactions of, and maybe therefore didn't (or wouldn't?) consider me worth leaving alone. I tried to angle it so that I might be legitimately targeted D2+... As a weaksauce Cop, any sparse information I had would at least have been gifted along with my impending flip, rather than the nothingburger me and you all got. (Thought it possible that I wouldn't be the only active Cop-role, didn't twig that the other was EJ.)

As I have said, I consider D1 hunches as being of practically zero value. And as bad for Mafia trying to work out who to kill (there were actually better ones than me, surprisingly) as much as any Lynch-hungry Townie. (You can't even have a 'sparkling' insight that sends Town down the wrong route, or even organise a self-sacrifice to give the 'real' power-Mafia street-cred. It's as much luck as you can get, excepting any totally blatant tells that aren't missed, and often it's pure apophenia anyway.) I want it again on record that I dislike the D1 mindless interplay, no matter what part I might play in N1.


I won't even ask what I could have actually done to have helped, there really was nothing.

Starver....

Thank you for being here.

You made the game better.  By existing and playing, you helped provide info that made the game better and deeper for both town and scum.

I never 'got' to work with you, my alignment was opposed to yours and I needed a D1 elim; you happened to fall misfortune to my desperate need.  And thank you for being there for me, and vulnerable so you could be that D1 elim.  Verm and I have a history of town together, I hope you keep playing so I as town can find you and guide you, help you, and win with you whenever our wincons are not opposed.

I needed you to lose this game, the rand demanded it.  You allowed me to guide you to lay down your role for the flip.  I am grateful and beg you to continue playing, so we can have more, and hopefully far more mutually fun games together.

[Starver]

i pray i dont get mafia next game, i would never recover from the d1 lynch allegations.

I so much didn't hold Imp's part in my lynching against them. (Well, for one thing, I'd have have to have blamed all four to similar degrees, though for differently ngled reasons. Daring to put the first wheels on the wagon through to finally pushing it through the killng field.)

I'm wondering if I even gave a bit too much credit to her, in hindsight, as deliberately dialling back any such feelings. But everyone else seemed to have their heads on the shoulders far more than I felt mine to be, and it seems I played no part in either casting or defusing guilt...

[Imp]

Not been following this game, but sounds like good job to Esk!

Thanks!

Lemme tell you about Hyper though....

Newbie here, manages to slip into this 10p game with inexperienced maf me and help get us through this game.  Never gets really sussed, just a little.  Super effective role, great use of it, and has ideas and listens, negotiates with me, together we find answers.  Excellent partner, I'm already envious of his next scumbuddy.

thank you for the consideration. hopefully it wasn’t newbie buff that got me this far.
i pray i dont get mafia next game, i would never recover from the d1 lynch allegations.

...

why yes.  I am already bussing you for our next game together.  Nice catch! 

[EuchreJack]

I tend to agree with Starver on typical Day 1 randomness.  Personally, I think the best pro-town strategy for Day 1 is to either reveal something that can form real discussion (BUT NOT DOCTOR OR COP), or do something with the admittedly quite rare Day 1 ability.  Otherwise it's just random talk leading to a random lynch.

[Crystalizedmire]

Yeah, in hindsight I was way too lenient on Hyper, probably because I was a lurker too and thus didn't have many good arguments against them. I also did suspect that Imp chose to wagon on Starver was due to my previous statements on their posts.

[Imp]

And called it. Not Town Imp.

grins

And Tric... most of our games where we were both town... you said some form of "Not Town Imp", right? ...

Actually... mostly just the early ones.

Imp, being told mafia got told to find this one person, kill them, get stuff, an then outing yourself as that person, is not very useful.

Also, Imp. Buddy, pal. You done goofed. As a Morally Ambiguous Dragon, I was not told of this, despite being SK/Town. So either I'm lying, you're lying, or I'm town. Pick 1.

The bastard game you had to sit through all of 'real D1' and you were only lightly sus of me by the time you were able to post... still sus of me.

webadict =?
CrystalizedMire=Alien
Imp
sofanthiel=Alien Assistant
TricMagic=dragonkin
FallacyofUrist=superhero
EuchreJack
Quarque=?
notquitethere


Taking this information, Imp, EuchreJack, and notquitethere are the suspisious ones. Along with webadict/quarque. Do we have any silver?
Well, quarque died, so they are at least not mafia. Can't trust webadict's flipped, but they're bagged. Which puts us with Jack|Webadict/Imp, or NQT|Webadict/Imp as the possible mafia. Jack, what's your opinion on this?


... Kinda doubt Imp is mafia at this point, so ignore above. NQT might be trying something. Or they're telling the truth and we've bagged the mafia. Or it's sofanthiel who did the night 1 kill.

It allows you to investigate a dead player to see what detectable spheres were used on them. On the phase they died specifically. Please not their owner may want it back as it's an Artefact.

Are you willing to discuss how safe you feel with the one you trade for?  It clearly has the advantage of eating a kill, hopefully the mafiakill.  Do we share openly if this is every night or just the first night?

My method should be used on stuff we don't want roaming around, and in the right hands, if we happen to have right hands, that kill-magnet might or definitely is worth keeping in play.  Maybe you can even control some stuff, things like that item, which might be even more pro-town.

So I'm mostly checking, you want that thing, not you are a toony-ally and gotta make sure that person doesn't die before you or some other weirdness, right?

If I end up dead, I end up dead. If I end up protected, I end up protected. And it gives info I don't have.

Imp, why are you so interested in this anyway?

All of this item trading and life saving aside, we do still need to choose two players to die today.

Sofanthiel. One other. Sof has kinda gone off the fritz, and so rocketed to top spot for today's lynch.

After that one, you stopped voting me like all the time...  a few games where we just talked (and were both town) then finally...

Reading things, fairly confident this is a TOWN IMP. There isn't any hesitation in their posts. They're got good gut feelings from what I've seen. ... Not much else to say, just putting it out there. Good luck changing my mind on that point.

That said I'm unlikely to bother investigating them as a result. Feel like it's a waste to check their abilities, though imp could convince me otherwise it's a random check of 1 of the non-autos.
Also find it funny no one commented on that bit.

...

Is there a chance you'll consider me town again someday, and be right, when we're both townies?

I pray so.  Please judge me rightly, almighty dragon.

And... Tric.  What happened to the famous Tric of 'Protect Mafia.  Kill Town'?

Are you like done with that fanatist meme?  Cause... I was looking forward to your help this time when I was finally maf!

[NJW2000]

GG all. Not a huge amount to say here.

Hyper as scum was always going to be extremely dangerous, as they're clearly very competent and nobody knows their meta.

Looking back on the game, you might note that all of Imp's scumreads were either eliminated or nightkilled. This would be very unusual for a town player without a kill. Very classical scum play, but not a complex approach here. If you don't want to be caught out by this kind of game, I really suggest looking through past days again.

As ever, I can't read Max.

[Imp]

Hey, Verm...

Who'd you end up picking for your N3 block?  I know you were jailed, but who'd you pick?

[VermilionSkies]

Nobody useful, unfortunately.

[Hyper]

GG all. Not a huge amount to say here.

Hyper as scum was always going to be extremely dangerous, as they're clearly very competent and nobody knows their meta.

As ever, I can't read Max.

i thank you for the compliment. apparently i think and act somewhat like crystal.
is max a ghost? people laud him constantly for being an expert.

[Imp]

is max a ghost? people laud him constantly for being an expert.

  Max is freaking everything.

I don't think I've seen the same Max twice yet.

[Maximum Spin]

Well, the downside of a Kierkegaardian leap of faith is that sometimes you end up worshipping demons. 

I was partway through a reread and I knew I wasn't going to have time to finish it in time, and my scumreads were contradictory, so I decided I had to radically trust somebody. It all hung on the question of Imp vs. Jack for me. Well... that didn't work.