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[Maximum Spin]

Imp while you get it ready, then.

[Imp]

Vermillion, confirm the timing of when you get your [Connoisseur] modifier?  Ask if you're not sure exactly.  You said you get it after visiting 3 people, do you have it start of next phase or when else?

[Imp]

Aha.  Also, Max can send FoU on during the day if absolutely needed, a repeat use of Mirror and giving candy while mirror's active, so that part isn't critical. What is critical is that FoU and Verm both bite Max the same night, which is the night immediately before FoU wins.  Otherwise either CM loses (timing is off, we never have a vamp out of play for a phase) or Max dies (Verm bit first; FoU's bite is second wound and kills).  I could fix this - if I was alive.  If I'm alive too long, Juice loses.

Advantages:  Verm never becomes a vamp, he can day action freely at all times.  So I could die later.

But a Verm biting FoU too soon does not give her [Con], because he doesn't have it.



Does anyone see anything unworkable or buggy in this plan?  Max, if you get a wound off schedule, of course I expect you to yup the heck out (nope the heck out is for losers, you should win).

FoU is vamp, only undead.  FoU has (2/4) modifiers.
Verm already targeted CM[1/6], Tric[2/6].

D3
Tric wins and leaves play
Elim imp (who cares if I use red, right?  I can't vote today )
Verm eats dead Juice [3/6]

N3
Juice wins
FoU Activates Mirror. (has 2 actions at night)
Verm targets Max [4/6]

D4
Verm eats dead imp [5/6]

N4
FoU Feeds on Max and eats candy(3/4).
Verm targets FoU[6/6] giving FoU [Connoisseur](4/4)

D5
Verm wins and leaves play.
FoU wins and leaves play.
No undead left in play.  CM wins
Max is probably extremely bored, but perhaps waits around to allow Imp to win too.

N5
Max becomes vamp and probably remains extremely bored.
A very relieved and grateful Imp finally wins.

D6
Max votes Yes (hopefully he's not too bored to care by now)

N6 Max finally wins.

Things to know:

Once FoU eats Red Candy, if FoU targets anyone that person can't act the night FoU does that target (my plan doesn't call for FoU to target anyone except Max; the night Max is targeted I don't call for Max to action)

Once Max becomes a vampire, he can only day action if he fed the night before.  I don't think voting is an action, but it's irresponsible for me not to suggest Max confirm he can vote as a vamp who didn't feed the night before (would suck to find out at that time if so).

[VermilionSkies]

I have queued up the Juice butchering, so that's all good.
So, unless anyone has anything else to add, this should be our complete plan, then?
Imp.

[Imp]

Whoops, thought I'd written in that fix to that otherwise lethal error.

N3
Juice wins
FoU Activates Mirror. (has 2 actions at night)
Verm targets FoU [4/6]

D4
Verm eats dead imp [5/6]
FoU would not have gotten Con from Verm.
Max targets FoU to give candy and his [modifier](3/4)

N4
FoU Feeds on Max and eats candy(4/4).
Verm targets Max[6/6]

[Maximum Spin]

What is critical is that FoU and Verm both bite Max the same night, which is the night immediately before FoU wins.
N3
Verm targets Max [4/6]
N4
FoU Feeds on Max and eats candy(3/4).

Isn't this a contradiction?

Whoops, thought I'd written in that fix to that otherwise lethal error.

N3
Juice wins
FoU Activates Mirror. (has 2 actions at night)
Verm targets FoU [4/6]

D4
Verm eats dead imp [5/6]
FoU would not have gotten Con from Verm.
Max targets FoU to give candy and his [modifier](3/4)

N4
FoU Feeds on Max and eats candy(4/4).
Verm targets Max[6/6]

Ahhh, okay, I see. Posting anyway to confirm I noticed.

[Imp]

I have queued up the Juice butchering, so that's all good.
So, unless anyone has anything else to add, this should be our complete plan, then?
Imp.

I seriously need everyone to check over the plan.

I'm doing my best but there's a lot of things to juggle all at once.  It's possible to do safe and well, but switch the wrong stuff, and it fails.

And I won't be here to notice and fix.  We look it over and find any flaws today when we can discuss, those of us alive and in play, or... well.  I am trying to ensure no errors.

[Imp]

Ahhh, okay, I see. Posting anyway to confirm I noticed.

Glad you did notice.

I didn't purposefully put the error there.  I didn't see the error, wrote the plan, was checking it and spotted the error, went up to discuss and missed I didn't fix it before posting.

But there could be other errors I didn't catch.

1 bad error and 1+ people lose.  Otherwise, and I think it's possible to do it right, we all win.

But is there still an error or a variable I didn't consider?  Not that I know of yet...

[Maximum Spin]

BTW, I don't imagine I, a non-vampire, could confirm whether or not an unfed vampire can vote. Better to ask Fallacy to do it, or certainly anyone could simply ask whether voting is an action.

[Imp]

BTW, I don't imagine I, a non-vampire, could confirm whether or not an unfed vampire can vote. Better to ask Fallacy to do it, or certainly anyone could simply ask whether voting is an action.

Great thinking.  I considered it because we can all see the vamp modifier now.

FoU, please do ask and report.

Also, I am not long for this game, but this is the song I didn't use yesterday to celebrate my awesome role, but it's actually way better fitting today (I hope!)

[ways to win]
"Do they exist? Can they be seen?
Maybe using some spectroscopy!
For centuries, we didn't know. Well now...we know!"

...

"We need to know
Every single way
To form or break [WINCONS]!
([adjusting] never bothered me anyway.)"

[Imp]

BTW, I don't imagine I, a non-vampire, could confirm whether or not an unfed vampire can vote. Better to ask Fallacy to do it, or certainly anyone could simply ask whether voting is an action.

The fix for this, if it's a concern, is for Verm to delay eating either me or Juice, I guess me, but it shouldn't matter which.  Tric told us all about Juice, there's no after-death abilities we were told about, and I think Tric would have discussed if he noticed any.

I don't have any after-death abilities, but I expect you'll see my flip, because one of the details I didn't mention about my role, while I live no info is gained from deaths.  But if there's a chance an unfed vamp is a problem, once FoU has left play and we see CM win, there can be any number of vamps; I win as soon as all players left in play are monster status through any means.

2 vamps can feed on each other every night, both immune to wounds, there's no further conversion or change because both are undead status already.  Both double actioning, so if either of you need or want to do a specific action as well as feed, that's possible.

I didn't give either of you a [transformation] red candy, so paralysis shouldn't be an issue between you; I presume neither of you can gain that modifier through some other way.

It does probably delay the final wins, but if my corpse is why Verm hasn't won yet and the vote is why Max hasn't won yet, timing that so you both feed the night before then vote and eat, both win the next night.

I still haven't seen any other problems or errors.  I'll check until the day ends, but more eyes help.  I have to imagine your role and wincon, I can miss stuff from your perspective, no matter how I try.

This has been a great game, at least for me and my enjoyment.  I've loved playing beside you all.  Glad we could find this path (I sure hope we have found it!), you're all town to me and we are all town in my eyes.  An unusual town, perhaps.  I am your friendly neighborhood spiderman, just the neighborhood's lacking humans.

[Imp]

But I will be dead before my corpse is there to nom on, and unable to discuss further.

There COULD be value in Verm not eating Imp's or Juice's corpse for a while, and for Max to feed on Verm, them both to be vamps and time things to win together.  Possibly unneeded, but I can't see anything that would destroy my corpse besides Verm eating it and I can't see this plan harming Max's chance to win either, though it could take more time but it's the answer if an unfed vamp can't vote.

[Imp]

Noting that Tric was vamp N1, did not feed.  Tric's D2 vote was controlled by Max, we don't know if Tric could have voted or not otherwise.

Juice was vamp from D0, did feed N0 (on Tric) but N1 feeding was delayed/didn't happen.  D2 vote, Juice did successfully vote 'no elim' (despite an initial votecount that looked weird and was later called an error).

An unfed vamp can probably vote?  It's just the cost if not sucks and it's Max that would pay it.

[Imp]

NJW,  we've all seen vamp modifier now.

If you do not successfully perform a Bite action on a player, you cannot act on the subsequent day

Will you tell us all if placing a vote is an act?

Additionally, if all players alive are interested, is shorten an option for us at any point?

[FallacyofUrist]

I don't find it particularly likely that voting is an action. Voting is just a core game mechanic.

But I could be wrong, I guess.