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[Imp]

juicebox

So for this plan to work, Verm needs to target someone else tonight and then I'll win two (or was it three?) days later, right? I guess that's fine.

Yeah, plan calls for Verm to nibble Tric tonight.

Also, FoU and Verm.  You need to ensure, if I am to get a chance to win too, that the last alive is bitten the night the next-to-last is out.  That gives the day for there to be no undead in play, allowing CM to win; then the bite kicks in on the last alive who goes vamp, triggering my win.

Whether I was already eaten or not, far as I know.

But this does take complex choreography, and a lot depends on if we can have FoU be last non-vamp or if we need Verm to be last non-vamp, again presuming we want all to win (I would prefer it, those are rare and cool)

[juicebox]

Plan's got a load of holes.

Verm can't eat candy.  Besides which, I can only give candy once unless someone refills my 1-shots.  Happily, I gave one to FoU.

You can win when dead, right?  You only need me dead through any means, like elim, right?

I 'somehow' took care of my wound last night, I discussed yesterday more than once that this was something I was considering doing.

The point wasn't for Verm to eat the candy it was for you to target them without blocking them. The only way to resolve this is to move Max's win back a day so Verm can target him.

There's nothing that says that I can't win while dead, and yes your death can happen by any means. If you don't actually die N2 then your plan does work. I was making my plans under the assumption that my actions would go through and you would die

juicebox

So for this plan to work, Verm needs to target someone else tonight and then I'll win two (or was it three?) days later, right? I guess that's fine.

No,  I wanted Verm to target you tonight so you can win tomorrow without making them lose. Today is D2 I'm pretty sure.

[Imp]

Plan's got a load of holes.

Verm can't eat candy.  Besides which, I can only give candy once unless someone refills my 1-shots.  Happily, I gave one to FoU.

You can win when dead, right?  You only need me dead through any means, like elim, right?

I 'somehow' took care of my wound last night, I discussed yesterday more than once that this was something I was considering doing.

The point wasn't for Verm to eat the candy it was for you to target them without blocking them. The only way to resolve this is to move Max's win back a day so Verm can target him.

There's nothing that says that I can't win while dead, and yes your death can happen by any means. If you don't actually die N2 then your plan does work. I was making my plans under the assumption that my actions would go through and you would die

juicebox

So for this plan to work, Verm needs to target someone else tonight and then I'll win two (or was it three?) days later, right? I guess that's fine.

No,  I wanted Verm to target you tonight so you can win tomorrow without making them lose. Today is D2 I'm pretty sure.

Ahh.  Well, give candy is a day action for me, but a 1-shot that I can't repeat.

Verm doesn't need me to target him, he needs to target me.

I don't think your plan allows CM to win, it has a few other flaws.  But makes sense!

I ensure I work towards my death and the win of us all.

That said, help look for any errors or flaws!!!!

I think this is final form of a plan that has us all win.

FoU, it is super important that you don't eat your candy until the schedule calls for it.  If you eat it early, CM will be forced to lose.  Also, I really need to know exactly how Mirror Stance works, if it can work more than once.
 If not, this plan has to change again.

Be careful with extra actions, make sure they don't change who is undead or monster status for sure.  Does anyone else have anything to declare so we can adjust the plan around?  Like mirror status, and if it can work more than once?  And exactly how it works, FoU.

D2:
Verm eats dead CM .
Elim Juice .

N2
Verm targets Tric
I cancel my plan to squash Tric's actions.
Tric feeds on FoU and does whatever to Imp (hope it's not too disruptive).  (FoU will go vamp from mirror stance OR from the bite, whichever; very awesome if FoU can 'vamp self' just by Tric targeting.).

D3
Tric wins and leaves play.  Or we elim Tric today if that hasn't happened.
Verm eats dead Juice.

N3
Verm targets Max.

D4
Vote Yes.

N4
Max wins and leaves play.
Verm targets FoU; mirror gives FoU Verm's Modifier.
FoU uses double action; very important to eat both candy now and to feed on Verm .

D5
FoU wins and leaves play.
No undead left in play; CM wins.
Elim Imp.

N5
nothing happens (but Verm turns vamp).

D6
Imp wins.
Verm eats dead Imp.

N6
Verm wins.

[juicebox]

Proof of one that's just to survive I suppose.
Note, actions will not go off if Juicebox dies today.

... Juice's plan is not a good thing since it tells me to wait a day before winning when I'm already in position to win. [D3 I Win] is correct in their plan, cause Blood Potentate will activate, giving them extra voting power. [Day 4 Everyone Wins] is incorrect, cause at that point there will be enough vampires around they're effectively a king.

Like, Juice. I don't have to go along with any plans. The only one who stands a chance in hell of stopping me is Vermillion. Maybe Max/Imp. I'm perfectly willing to go with Imp's cause it's fun and fulfills my wincon. You're delays me for no reason whatsoever. I don't even need to do two actions in it....

I can actually ask if double wounding kills. I have that ability now.

1. I made the plan under the assumption that you had yet to target/be targeted by Max, Imp, and Tric. If that's not the case, you could still target whoever you need to target and win, that's not an issue, do whatever

2. I never said you had to go with the plan, I was just laying out my plan because if my assumptions were correct(which they weren't) then Imp's plan wouldn't have worked as written

[Imp]

Whoops, left out a dead player's win on that schedule.  It is intended.

N5
nothing happens (but Verm turns vamp).
Juice wins.

[Imp]

Tric feeds on FoU and does whatever to Imp (hope it's not too disruptive).

Tric Sir, the whatever you do to me actually needs to not be a feed action, if CM is gonna have a chance to win.  Huge help to feed on FoU though.  Me you can probably target with whatever else, I'm not currently planning on acting N2 unless the group decides it best that FoU and I together act on you instead of allowing you to act on us.

That's gonna happen only if FoU has a way to target you that FoU agrees to use and which won't make FoU go vamp from you (in that case CM wins much sooner and I think we cut a whole cycle off the schedule of how long everything takes!)  But we want you out if possible ASAP and it looks possible, just not sure the ideal path.  We're faster if FoU can target you, we don't need to work around CM's issues as much).

[VermilionSkies]

I am entirely capable of winning alone, assuming I haven’t lost by that point.

[TricMagic]

Tric feeds on FoU and does whatever to Imp (hope it's not too disruptive).

Tric Sir, the whatever you do to me actually needs to not be a feed action, if CM is gonna have a chance to win.  Huge help to feed on FoU though.  Me you can probably target with whatever else, I'm not currently planning on acting N2 unless the group decides it best that FoU and I together act on you instead of allowing you to act on us.

That's gonna happen only if FoU has a way to target you that FoU agrees to use and which won't make FoU go vamp from you (in that case CM wins much sooner and I think we cut a whole cycle off the schedule of how long everything takes!)  But we want you out if possible ASAP and it looks possible, just not sure the ideal path.  We're faster if FoU can target you, we don't need to work around CM's issues as much).

A reminder if I haven't won by tomorrow, Max lied about targeting me tonight. Only other I have is the forced vote option, which won't matter cause I'll be gone by that point. Got the block, but not using it.

[Imp]

Tric feeds on FoU and does whatever to Imp (hope it's not too disruptive).

Tric Sir, the whatever you do to me actually needs to not be a feed action, if CM is gonna have a chance to win.  Huge help to feed on FoU though.  Me you can probably target with whatever else, I'm not currently planning on acting N2 unless the group decides it best that FoU and I together act on you instead of allowing you to act on us.

That's gonna happen only if FoU has a way to target you that FoU agrees to use and which won't make FoU go vamp from you (in that case CM wins much sooner and I think we cut a whole cycle off the schedule of how long everything takes!)  But we want you out if possible ASAP and it looks possible, just not sure the ideal path.  We're faster if FoU can target you, we don't need to work around CM's issues as much).

A reminder if I haven't won by tomorrow, Max lied about targeting me tonight. Only other I have is the forced vote option, which won't matter cause I'll be gone by that point. Got the block, but not using it.

Understood.

If things go off plan, someone lied and it's not necessarily clear who.  I am not 100% committed to your death D3 if you haven't won yet, we would talk and stuff, but it does get increasingly hard to find a way for CM to win.  Let's make sure we don't vamp Verm; that would have been fine early but no longer makes sense.  If I choose to pin you tonight (which may happen if FoU can target you and agrees) then I also commit to you being alive longer if that doesn't work, I took choices from you.  Would need to be a complex weird thing to find out about how you weren't pinned and worked to prevent wins for me to want you dead.  I really think we can get a full win here.

Thing is, D2 started with your vote already on 'yes'.  Maybe Max can make that happen without targeting you - seems unlikely but possible (in beloved and much revered NQT's last game, I 100% could have chosen multiple actions to happen to you, and potentially forced you to do actions, all without targeting you, as well as potentially stolen from you... again without actually targeting you.  That was a rather special choose your own spheres overpowered situation, but... NQT was involved in the balance of this game too joy.

I don't expect Max likely can do stuff without targeting; I know it's remotely possible.  He also probably has little motivation to lie.  I think you're gonna be fine unless I decide the game is better served by you not being fine, and I think we're still on an okay path.

We're kinda this now I think.

"And the tale marches on, searching forever after
Not happy at all, put an 's' on that 'laughter',
The narrative couldn't care less who it kills by the by.
When it's already written, the scene where you died
But the headtaker's axe is turned roughly aside
By the piper, the fighter, the builder, the killer, and I -
It's the story, not you, that will die."

[Imp]

Precious Fallacy, and all-mighty Tric -

Presuming I don't hear from Fallacy before day end, plan is I don't pin Tric and Tric is responsible for targeting both Fallacy and Imp; Fallacy needs a bite and Imp needs something not a bite (a 1-night block won't hurt me, not sure how the vote thing works D3 if you win N2, but I'm not planning on taking any actions N2 if we hear from Fallacy before day end and make a plan for Tric to handle Tric-self tonight....  In fact, Tric, I'll self-target something harmless and unnecessary.  Feel free to block me, so I can confirm the block.  If FoU confirms the bite and I know I got blocked, and we elimmed Juice today and there's chaos and/or Tric didn't win, that goes very far towards helping try to trace out what isn't going on).

Fallacy, if you can target Tric with something that won't mess him or the rest of us up, that needs to be our N2 plan and we have to discuss before D2 end so I can also target Tric, otherwise I can't target Tric; I'd pin him.

But so urgent, you need to not eat my candy yet if Tric has to target you.  Unless you're cool with being dead for 2 nights and Max+Verm+FoU+me is cool with this taking multiple extra days.  We need 1 phase when there's no living undead.  If you become that undead from Mirror tonight, then we can have that phase happen the last phase you're in play - you're about to win and you and Verm target each other.  You feed and eat my candy (Maybe Max's too, doesn't change outcomes whenever you eat that one) and Verm nibbles, your mirror works and you leave next morning; he's incubating the bite and turns that night - the day without undead lets CM win that day; Verm turns and is last player alive and has monster status, so I win and he butchers my corpse because we elim me the day you and CM win.

But if you eat my candy before that last night you're in play - then when you target Verm to bite him, you paralyze him and he doesn't get to nibble you.  Your mirror doesn't kick in, but he's going undead and you won't win soon enough for us to have a night without undead.  That also forces either him or I to lose.

Spoiler: We have a 'simple' walk around if that's complex and you just wanna eat the candy fast.  But it requires us to elim you D3 and takes multiple days longer because ... (click to show/hide)

 your mirror took [vampire] from Tric when he targeted you, so elim you allows a phase with no undead in play (again presuming everyone's honest, everyone please be honest today so we can find work arounds as needed if needed.  We have so many ways to all win right now, but every new change in undead status, monster status, and who has already won means fewer possible ways to win; eventually some would have to lose so let's just be honest as of today).

But if we take the 'well, FoU had to die' path, you have to stay dead until D6 and Max has to wait 2 extra days for his win too, because I have to vamp Verm the night after you die then bring you back the next, all while we have a living not-monster Max to keep me from winning too fast (Verm would lose or you stay dead and lose if I win too fast, I'm how you come back to life.) then after you're alive we need to elim me before Max wins, delaying his win that far, because as soon as Max wins on that path I win.  But on that path you never have to target Verm and he targets you to allow you to win, butchers my corpse to allow himself to win.

We all still win but it drags it out considerably longer, so let's be patient and keep waiting on eating my candy until N4 when you both eat the candy and feed on Verm, whew.

And we only have to take that path if Tric targets you and triggers your mirror (be cool if [Vampire] didn't reflect in the mirror, hehe, but you haven't said it wouldn't).

I have an easy way to add [vampire] back into play if it leaves with Tric, so it's all good and that's the super-easier, more room for surprises path - ideal if you and I both target Tric tonight.

[FallacyofUrist]

FoU, I also need to know how mirror stance works.  Like, in detail; can you choose not to use it?

Despite being called 'stance', it's not a passive ability. However, it takes effect after I use it. When I use it, it causes me to gain the role modifiers that players visiting me over the next two phases possess. To be clear, that's the next Day and next Night.

[Imp]

FoU, I also need to know how mirror stance works.  Like, in detail; can you choose not to use it?

Despite being called 'stance', it's not a passive ability. However, it takes effect after I use it. When I use it, it causes me to gain the role modifiers that players visiting me over the next two phases possess. To be clear, that's the next Day and next Night.

Whew, thanks.  Cancel my panic.

Got anything else that can target Tric?  Fine if not.

[Maximum Spin]

So DID Tric already touch CM for wincon purposes? I didn't think he had.

[TricMagic]

So DID Tric already touch CM for wincon purposes? I didn't think he had.

CM got locked into voting me the day they got lynched, so yep. That action went through.

[Maximum Spin]

So DID Tric already touch CM for wincon purposes? I didn't think he had.

CM got locked into voting me the day they got lynched, so yep. That action went through.

Huh. So you no longer need anyone else's cooperation to win, then.

Any chance I can get you to stick around for tomorrow to yes-vote me and get this over with a little faster? I was banking that you'd still be here.