Yeah I don't care about this.
Tric chose not to target me in the night, I guess. You guys can give him another chance if you want but I'm good with exiting the game now, personally.
Cool. Presuming voting 'yes' means Max wins.
Max's win D1 would force Verm to lose D1.Even if Tric targeted Max N0, Verm losing D1 forces Tric to lose, because unless Tric can target Verm during the day and has before Verm loses, or Tric lied about his wincon, this would make Tric lose, I think.
Someone bit Tric, it's certainly not Verm (nothing I know about [vampire] modifier would allow a player with it to act through being unable to act; Verm said he can't eat candy and I didn't give Verm candy to allow to act when prevented from acting... it has to be eaten at night to work... he couldn't act to eat it N0.... I don't think Verm has an ability that let him act despite being impossible to act or act upon.... though my candy arguably might let someone work through that block if they had a way to eat it before night, but they'd get it end of day.... if Verm started play with that ability that my candy gives, he maybe could have acted last night - otherwise that dude has targeted nobody at all).
If Max is our vamp who bit Tric, he probably doesn't win on 'yes' vote. If we lose Max to a win and both Tric and Verm to loss, we probably keep CM and whomever the undead/vampire is (still not me, but I'll die to keep monster(s) in play, sure. Be confused and go for me while those I need to live do their thing that appears likely to help my win too - you
had your chance to find the right target presuming you could kill them. I don't know who it is. I cheer them on but I support the winner, not the loser. I think the undead is winning).
So, I think CM+ stays in play if Max wins and Tric+Verm loses, I don't think all undead are between Max/Tric/Verm (but they could be). So I don't think I can possibly instalose when I vote 'yes' with Max, even if nobody else does and if 2 votes is enough to 'elim yes'.
If only Max and I vote 'yes', Tric and Verm can easily tie the vote to prevent their loss; it's a no-elim if we just tie at 2 votes each. Anyone else can vote anything they please I think; I did agree to vote 'yes' with Max and I'd like to do that, but I am partial to that being unable to empower Max to win just yet, without breaking my choice to vote to help him. This is all in others' hands, to me - I support the winner. If Max would win the yes vote today, I give it to him. But I think others should stop that from working today (but let's help Max win soon, unless that would ruin your wincon).Can we please, if we don't Yes vote Max today, start to convert Verm so he doesn't as certainly have to lose (if the vamp thing does convert alignment, I presume since CM claims it does, save Verm from loss, vamp(s)/whatever(s) culty?) I think there's a few ways to help prevent CM from protecting anyone from that conversion. No idea how trusting or informative anyone wants to be, and I'm just not sure if my N1 action ideally attempts to:
1) preserve my own life or
2) attempts to give [vampire] to CM (but she might be immune) or
3) attempts to give [vampire] to Verm. My way to give that takes effect start of D2, but I'd prevent poor Verm from acting again if I give it to him - and maybe CM can interfere if she's allowed to act. Sadly, I didn't have enough candy to offer one to CM, so she can be prevented from acting by anyone who took a candy I offered, if anyone happened to (unless she has some other powers/defenses I don't know about to get around how she can otherwise be stopped).
But CM maybe can kill/wound and maybe can prevent undead conversions, so maybe CM shouldn't be free to act on a night when so many players are at risk.
But if [vampire] modifier means alignment conversion thanks to someone other than me - that would save Verm start of D2 if I use my 1-shot on him N1. So we can then vote 'yes' for Max' Tric went [vamp] and maybe alignment conversion N1, Verm changes D2 if what everyone said is true and if CM can't prevent it (someone who can stop CM please do so?).
If I'm alive D2, I still commit to voting 'yes' with Max, if he's still here and wants that. If I'm already dead I ask someone else help him if you're willing and it won't ruin your wincon to do so. I haven't done anything to give him a monster status; if he wins I can ignore that entirely. If anyone else needs help to be able to win.... speak up?CM, I'm just not sure how to help you. I hope you discuss your ideas. You're free to murderize me if you can. I swear:
1) As of right now, I don't have the [vampire] modifier or the undead status.
2) I don't want you to lose, but converting you might be the only chance you have to win if you can be converted.
3) I'm pretty sure killing me does NOTHING to stop the cult. I could not have died N0. I could not have been elim D0. I willingly didn't create any undead status N0. You can kill me (if you can) N1 or maybe get me elim D1 (by persuading other voters, I suppose), but that leaves your actual target(s) this cult or just the status/modifier folks free in play to do whatever.
And important to me:
4) I can't win until you (like everyone else alive in play) has the monster status or is out of play while others with that status are still in play (regardless of whatever happens to me). Since I couldn't or didn't give you candy (which you might have refused to eat, useless for me if you don't) I need you wounded while I'm alive to fix it, or I need you to win/lose/die, or I need you to gain [vampire] with all the other changes and benefits (one is monster status). There's other ways could work too, but those are the likely paths.
All those options are equally good to me, except 'you win' seems out of reach, so I think that direction has flown. I don't want you dead today (would force others to lose; it's hopefully not needed).
So, if you wanna talk about how we can ensure you win without unlikely or impossible things happening, I'm eager to hear.
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