Arguments are over. Vermillion, you really shouldn't have bitten me last night. My win condition is interacting with everyone, and you just targeted me. So I don't have to keep you around for any longer.
I really am surprised, shocked, and confused that anyone blames Vermillion for anything that happened last night.
I also note that Tric is claiming 'was bitten'. Tric, were you specifically told you were 'bitten', instead of you gained a wound?
... Then who bit me. Well that backfired in typical fashion. throws off the day 1 joke.
Kinda wanted to keep the musical numbers going as a smokescreen. As is there are two people causing wounds.
Maybe 3+ already. I have a wound today too, not a bite though.
I got bit, now wounded. Which means I need to find the person who bit me, murder them, and go on with my day. Someone used the action Bite on me, which gave the Wounded status. Crystal, I assume that means you have some knowledge of how vampires work then? Or could be a werewolf bite, but undead suggests vampire or zombie.
I would prefer not to be killed for knowing this and daring to share this information. However, I have so many ways to win that if you guys elim me today, my win could still be nearly certain because of what others are doing and appear to need to do for their wincon(s).
I do not have the undead status tag even now, and I did not act on any player this game yet except for giving red candy D0 to two people I hope can eat it and hope choose to eat it; it gives monster status and a bit of power and protection from that power. It does not give Undead Status to those who eat it.
But I have some role info about some monsters. Vampires are a type of monster and the only type I know about that can bite (I do not know if I know about every type of monster or if I know about every type of bite).
A vampire bite informs the target they were bitten and causes a wound. It will cause that target to gain the role modifier [vampire] at the start of the following night unless the target was already undead status.
I have no way to prevent that transition, though I can treat a wound (and for my wincon I don't need to treat a vampire bite, because that person's about to become a monster status person anyway unless they were already undead; every type of undead I know about has both the undead status and the monster status; a non-monster undead could trip me up.... if it exists?).
But I do expect every [Vampire] to be able to double action at night, and I wonder if there's more than one type of vampire.
Whoever gains that [vampire] modifier also gains the monster status (I care about that and have other ways for players to gain it), the undead status (I don't care about that either way), double action at night, and the ability to bite, which would continue the cycle to other players and allows the [vampire] player to act during the day. Based on my role info, [vampire] modifier does not change your alignment or your role other than to add some stuff that I am not mentioning at this time because it does not serve my wincon for it to be said, since y'all may decide to kill me because I 'know too much'. This is
not an informed minority against informed majority game. My knowledge doesn't mean I'm evil or need you to lose, whoever you are, though it appears that the balance of results for the night and start of today means the undead cult, if it exists, is winning over our undead hunter.
If this is not the case (if undead hunter(s) haven't lost and if undead haven't already essentially 'won'), you have all day to convince me. Otherwise I proceed with the understanding that the undead won this battle between CM and themselves, so I have no reason to stay out of that 'fight' any longer and will just follow my wincon directly. Which doesn't mean harming/killing anyone but could mean adding a few more undead status to the game.
Someone wounded me last night. It was not a bite, and appears to have intended to be a kill based on flavor of where and how I got the wound and timing of when I got hurt inside the flavor.
While I didn't discuss that I had protection last night, I had protection last night from death, which empowered and embolded my blabbermouthing greatly D0 and means I get to blabber D1 as well even if someone tried to kill me N0.
I win when all remaining living players have the monster status, regardless of my own condition (if I have the status or not, if I'm alive or not). Anyone who wins, loses, or is currently dead does not matter for my wincon.
I ask those willing and able to help increase the odds of my wincon happening, even if I'm by-then dead. I can only give monster status in helpful-to-the-target ways; I have tried to fairly and reasonably help everyone in play through both action and inaction and will continue to do so, though CM is gonna have to discuss a lot to be helpable, because I think CM either is the undead cult (well played if so) or needs to be converted if she even can be; she might have to lose. If CM isn't the cult and cannot be converted normally, I hope CM chooses to discuss her limitations and protections because there may be a way around them to allow CM to win with the undead, but that requires either guessing/luck or CM to actually help. Not sure what CM would choose there.
I can create a vampire. I haven't yet; my method does not cause a bite or a wound and the person would be a vampire start of next day; I don't even have to worry about if they're already undead. They're NOT converted alignment by what I do (and anyone they bite is also not converted alignment). They simply gain the [vampire] modifier, the monster status and undead status, and the various other advantages of that modifier, which is long and cool.
If there's an alignment conversion, that comes from someone else messing with people with the undead status or [vampire] modifier or however else that happens. Nothing in my role info tells me anything about that, my only clues about that come from CM's posts about it. My questions to the mod make it clear that if there's an alignment change too that I wasn't told about, and he confirms I wasn't told about it, then that would have to come (in this game) from someone else's role forcing that otherwise bastard mechanic onto the situation.
My wincon means I don't have to care about that. I am delighted to hear CM tell us that the vampire(s) she knows about with their alignment change also have the monster status (I wasn't sure if 'her vampires' and 'my vampires' are the same vampires at all; vampires that were not also monster status would mean extra sadness for me)
Imp: I suggest you refrain from talking about any status conditions you gained last night as I fear it will threaten your safety.
D'aww, CM 'cares about my safety'? Nah, CM wants to surprise other targets, I'm very darn sure. Don't worry, I protect secrets that help my wincon. I don't think everyone knowing that CM can kill or at least wound (I was well protected last night by my role, I cannot confirm if I was explicitly wounded, or if I would have been killed) hurts my wincon.
CM, getting wounded was the only thing that happened to me last night that I didn't expect to happen and don't know how and why it happened. If you did something else to me, it was silent or something stopped it or it was going to happen to me anyway and I got no clues that it happened because of you too.
You may want to make it clear if you did not attempt to kill or wound me last night, which people may or may not believe but is surely useful info to know. If the rest of the stuff I expected to happen to me was in part also caused by you, that's cool, you can have those secrets (it did not involve gaining the undead status; I do not have undead status at this time).
I have plans and ideas, but this is a huge info dump. I'll listen for a while.
Max, I'm still open to a Yes vote, in case you/someone needs that (I don't) but it looks like Verm and maybe Tric would lose if you (or most of us) leave play. Supposedly Tric can't have targeted Verm last night; supposedly Tric loses when someone he didn't target dies/wins/loses. Tric's voting Verm for death now? Weird indeed. Tric wouldn't gain 'undead status' or the [vampire] modifier by that bite he claims until the next night, which is N1 (and that's presuming it is a vamp bite of the type I have info about). So something else happened with Tric if Tric doesn't need to prevent deaths/wins/losses for a time. I do wonder about types of vampires different from what I know about.
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