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[Imp]

Alright, by the fact that I'm still around, you can tell that I did bite Tric last night without any issues.
I also ate CM yesterday, so we're all good on that front.
Judging by the schedule:
We vote for no elimination today, and I butcher Juicebox.
Next night, I bite Max.
We vote Yes next day, allowing Max to leave the game.
Chomp Fallacy the night after that,
Elim Imp, and then clean up.
Everything correct?
No Elimination.

I wish.  I forgot the timing that I need you monster for me to win, but the only way to get you monster is for me to ressurrect you (you won't be vamp then!  But will have the monster status I need you to have) or you need me dead before you go vamp+have nobody left to feed on.  So you need another living player with you to feed from to be able to day act once you go vamp.

I think you need me dead today, or we need you dead today and raised by me, but we also need a non-monster in play at all times until I die or I win and leave - me winning and leaving means Verm loses and Juice loses.

This is possible to solve, I think.

We need FoU and/or Max's help.

[Imp]

It wasn't fully forgotten, there was some needed flex because if Tric was still alive there's a chance we needed to elim Tric today and everything would just get more complex.

But yeah, that plan as written, either Verm or Imp loses, depending on if FoU has eaten candy yet to get the paralyze ability (travels with a modifer, so FoU wants/needs it).

[Maximum Spin]

Fallacy, did you activate your mirror stance last night?

[Maximum Spin]

Especially you, Mr. Max.  Can you stay?  Gotta go?  When do you gotta go?

I'm honestly just bored out of my mind, that's all.

Nothing as far as I know stopping me from being the last player alive except how much I don't want to.

I have another modifier I can presumably give away through mirror stance, during the day with my candy ability or at night with my vote ability. It would also mean that Yes stays an option on the vote for as long as Fallacy's alive, which is interesting, in the sense that it would presumably mean I could still win if dead myself, but that doesn't seem to be relevant.

[Maximum Spin]

BTW, Yes maybe Fallacy will put me out of my misery

[Imp]

Presuming FoU has not activated Mirror yet (hope not, if not we really need Max to stay in play or either Verm is lost or FoU is lost... or both).  And presuming FoU has not eaten the modifier candy yet, and can win alone.

I believe this is the path to us all winning, but if people haven't discussed needs yet, I hope we can work around them.

Green stuff has happened, as far as I know.

D3
Tric wins and leaves play
No undead left in play.  CM wins
Elim imp
Verm eats dead Juice

N3
Juice wins
FoU becomes Vamp.  Feed on Verm.  Activate Mirror. (has 2 actions at night)
Verm targets Max

D4
Verm eats dead imp
Vote Yes

N4
Max wins and leaves play
Verm becomes [vamp].
Imp wins.
Verm Targets FoU
FoU's mirror gains [Con] from Verm.  Fou

D5
Verm wins and leaves play.

N5 FoU eats candy

D6 FoU wins.

Could this work for everyone?

[Imp]

Especially you, Mr. Max.  Can you stay?  Gotta go?  When do you gotta go?

I'm honestly just bored out of my mind, that's all.

Nothing as far as I know stopping me from being the last player alive except how much I don't want to.

I have another modifier I can presumably give away through mirror stance, during the day with my candy ability or at night with my vote ability. It would also mean that Yes stays an option on the vote for as long as Fallacy's alive, which is interesting, in the sense that it would presumably mean I could still win if dead myself, but that doesn't seem to be relevant.

I beg for mine and others' wincons.  It would be a scramble for who loses, there's a few ways it could go.  But if you win today multiple people lose.

If FoU can't do that plan I show above, either because already ate the candy or any other reason... you're the sole key to making everything work for everyone.

but let's see if FoU can still help and will..... your help's precious too because there's losses if you win today.

[Maximum Spin]

Max, can you discuss your loss condition(s) so we can make sure everything is 'okay' for everyone, including you?

If all you need is yes 'elimed' and cannot otherwise lose, you're really needed.

Oh right. Yeah, I only lose if Yes is no longer on the board at the start of a day and I haven't won yet. Due to my modifier, Yes will stay on the board as long as I'm alive, and presumably if Fallacy copied that modifier it would stay on the board even then, as I said. So if killed, nobody else has my modifier, and I stay dead for the start of the next day, that's the only way I can lose. And all I need is for "yes" to win for me to win.

Since I can control another player's vote at will, then as long as I'm paying attention to act and nobody outright stops (ie, blocks, delays, or whatever) me, I can essentially auto-win when there are three players or fewer.

From the perspective of wanting to win the game, it's a pretty powerful role (that is, very hard to make lose) and I suppose fitting for what I sent in, but it doesn't give me much reason to care about anything else going on.

I'm not demanding to win now or anything. Sure, I was hoping that Tric would be willing to kick me out early just for kicks, but it's whatever. Just... probably not going to check the thread much while waiting for this whole process to work its way out.

[Maximum Spin]

Oh yeah. I'm pretty sure we would be told if CM had won.

[Imp]

Max, can you discuss your loss condition(s) so we can make sure everything is 'okay' for everyone, including you?

If all you need is yes 'elimed' and cannot otherwise lose, you're really needed.

Oh right. Yeah, I only lose if Yes is no longer on the board at the start of a day and I haven't won yet. Due to my modifier, Yes will stay on the board as long as I'm alive, and presumably if Fallacy copied that modifier it would stay on the board even then, as I said. So if killed, nobody else has my modifier, and I stay dead for the start of the next day, that's the only way I can lose. And all I need is for "yes" to win for me to win.

Since I can control another player's vote at will, then as long as I'm paying attention to act and nobody outright stops (ie, blocks, delays, or whatever) me, I can essentially auto-win when there are three players or fewer.

From the perspective of wanting to win the game, it's a pretty powerful role (that is, very hard to make lose) and I suppose fitting for what I sent in, but it doesn't give me much reason to care about anything else going on.

I'm not demanding to win now or anything. Sure, I was hoping that Tric would be willing to kick me out early just for kicks, but it's whatever. Just... probably not going to check the thread much while waiting for this whole process to work its way out.

I'm for sure not killing you or helping elim you.  I get that you're not very interested in others' requirements, and it's complex and slow.

If FoU will chat with us, and hasn't mirrored or eaten my [Transformation] candy yet, but was bitten by Tric last night, and mirrored is a night action, and if FoU can be the last in play and still win, then the plan above I think has no flaws as long as folks understand it, agree to it, and follow it.

Anything not true there and there's some changes needed.

Oh yeah. I'm pretty sure we would be told if CM had won.

...

That sucks.

If true.  NJW, will you tell us if non-living players win or lose?

[NJW2000]

Yep, you'll always be told if someone wins or loses.

[Imp]

that's cool.

So, someone in play has undead status.

And it's not me.

So, is this something we talk about?  It probably isn't possible to salvage CM's win at this point, but I am wondering what happened and why.

[VermilionSkies]

Also not me.

[FallacyofUrist]

I did use Mirror Stance on Night 1.

That said, it's not a one-shot, so I can always use it again Night 3 if it would help the gameplan.

On Night 2 I used Referendum Candy - I did not use the Garlic Candy or Red Candy, those are still in my possession.

[Imp]

I did use Mirror Stance on Night 1.

That said, it's not a one-shot, so I can always use it again Night 3 if it would help the gameplan.

On Night 2 I used Referendum Candy - I did not use the Garlic Candy or Red Candy, those are still in my possession.

FoU, thank you.

Are you already vamp or otherwise undead?

Were you bitten last night?

Can you win as the last player alive, say by eating that Red Candy then?