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Re: Bring Your Own Alignment - D2
« Reply #255 on: September 26, 2024, 08:35:02 pm »

Think the second one got eaten by the text. I wish you luck.
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« Reply #256 on: September 26, 2024, 08:37:25 pm »

Think the second one got eaten by the text. I wish you luck.

Thank you!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl4L4M8m4d0
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« Reply #257 on: September 27, 2024, 12:00:47 am »

Anyway, Max.

I don't expect you're open to discussion other than the color of decorations at your 'yes' party.

It's also not your doing that Verm's in an even deeper hole here.

Let us know what you decide.  You've been open earlier and plenty cooperative, I'm not about to burn you or see you burn.

I do want to hear what Juicebox says; I have no idea if Juicebox picked a wincon I can work with at all.

We who haven't eaten the candy you give yet won't benefit from voting yes today; that's not your problem and honestly, I'm planning on standing on Tric not enjoying a nice treat for the next several nights.

But you've done what you said, been pro-social or tricked me well into thinking you really look useful/helpful/glad to have you around.  That'll of course have its appropriate consequences in the future from me towards you and all that whenever it can play out in later games.

If you are interested in being part of more figuring out of the game, your mind's precious.  If you want to take your war-wounds (which I presume you have) and skedaddle, I'm probably helping in case I'm needed; I suppose some vote patterns might be very tempting but screwing over the Spin is not my preference.  For all I'm mostly sure there's probably no real cult and even if you have a bite and a wound it's only gonna make you stronger.

[vampire] kicks in very start of the night; if there's an alignment conversion because of it no idea when that happens, but if it is instant then Tric did his night tasks and all the posting today with that new wincon.  Your brain's probably best at detecting that, I think Tric seems like his earlier wincon.

I'm cool with you winning this game, though I'm still even cooler with it happening after D2.  You're someone I'd want to res if you died and I'm against voting you.  I'd definitely res you over Tric this game.  Juice vs you, not sure if we get more info.  Juice is clearly in a delicate spot, he's doing the equivalent of possibly 'townie lies' this game even if we don't have a town.  But he also could be hell on wheels and nothing else splatters, you've been consistently 'team' throughout.
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Re: Bring Your Own Alignment - D2
« Reply #258 on: September 27, 2024, 01:03:30 am »

Well, I'm always open to any kind of discussion, but it's true that I'm kind of... eager to get on with it already.

I currently doubt there are any actual alignment conversions in the game, but I wouldn't know because I have not been bitten nor wounded in any way (at least as far as I was told).

As it stands, I suppose I can give out two more candy today as well as act on someone tonight, if everyone truly insists on delaying me again. As far as I know, being unwounded and unconverted, I cannot be made to instalose by any means other than the lynch vote (even then, I wouldn't lose till the following day, so I guess I could still be resurrected). I would certainly most likely instalose if nightkilled, though, with maybe the only exception being if I'm targeted with a revive the same night as insurance, if that's even allowed.

Other than by giving Fallacy a candy, which I already did, I have no known way to contribute to anyone else's win conditions, though, so I'm not sure keeping me around actually benefits anyone. I feel like I've done about as much to try to figure out everyone's alignments as I could manage and my role doesn't interact with anyone else's directly.

I could say something about Tric and his wincon, since you asked, but I don't think it would be productive for me to say it now. Perhaps ask again in the morning.
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« Reply #259 on: September 27, 2024, 07:54:57 am »

Well, I'm always open to any kind of discussion, but it's true that I'm kind of... eager to get on with it already.

I currently doubt there are any actual alignment conversions in the game, but I wouldn't know because I have not been bitten nor wounded in any way (at least as far as I was told).

As it stands, I suppose I can give out two more candy today as well as act on someone tonight, if everyone truly insists on delaying me again. As far as I know, being unwounded and unconverted, I cannot be made to instalose by any means other than the lynch vote (even then, I wouldn't lose till the following day, so I guess I could still be resurrected). I would certainly most likely instalose if nightkilled, though, with maybe the only exception being if I'm targeted with a revive the same night as insurance, if that's even allowed.

Other than by giving Fallacy a candy, which I already did, I have no known way to contribute to anyone else's win conditions, though, so I'm not sure keeping me around actually benefits anyone. I feel like I've done about as much to try to figure out everyone's alignments as I could manage and my role doesn't interact with anyone else's directly.

I could say something about Tric and his wincon, since you asked, but I don't think it would be productive for me to say it now. Perhaps ask again in the morning.

Not sure which morning to ask again; where I am irl it's a new morning, so asking.  I'll ask D3 if conditions allow as well.

My revive usually can only target those already dead, so I can't give 'revive insurance' to a still-living person.  There is an exception, but the revive fails in that case (I asked about it already).

I'm willing to be pretty patient with Juicebox and I don't want him dead as far as I know.

But it appears Juice's action(s) were deferred a day, based on Tric's claims, though he also used odd language:

Sadly your action has been infinitely delayed, will go off tomorrow.
And what do I find when I delay the medic to increase their chances tomorrow

I don't understand why/how delaying the medic would increase their chances the next day, but whatever/however Tric acted on Juice to delay him...

Juice probably didn't try to prevent Tric from doing that, like I'm about to.  I suspect Tric ain't gonna delay me N2.

If we don't elim Juice, whatever Juice did last night and tries to do tonight might stackingly happen; if we do elim Juice I have no idea if last night's actions still happen.

But stacking bites (or any other wound same-phase) cannot kill; the only risk is if the effect is paradoxically applied on N2 to N1 without us being able to know or handle it then a new effect is applied on N2 as well.  If we're dealing with insane troll time magic not much any of us can do except flee for our wincons, those that have an out.

I don't predict our Mod would go that route.

Juice, I'm not eager for your elim and if you're willing/able to discuss and work for mass wins where possible and if you can be part of one, we can talk our way out of it I hope.  I know you're busy and not sure what to say.

If I don't need my res for anyone else but could use it on you, we can explore that route; it's easier not to kill you (for me) and I wouldn't want to res you until I stopped pinning Tric.

FoU - Tric offered to give you a modifier, he thought the status wounded would maybe count.  It doesn't, it's a status.  But feed turns into [vampire] modifier after a cycle passes.  You can get it from him - or me after I stop pinning him (I would give it to you in the way that starts next day, after I use it that night, and it doesn't give you a wound).  Any other vamp in play can give it to you through a feed.  So, we have you covered if you're willing to be patient, but I have no idea how you get your 4th modifier.

If you wanna hang out and help others get wins, I love that idea.
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Re: Bring Your Own Alignment - D2
« Reply #260 on: September 27, 2024, 08:54:45 am »

Not sure which morning to ask again; where I am irl it's a new morning, so asking.  I'll ask D3 if conditions allow as well.
I did mean this present morning, but as juicebox hasn't posted yet, it's still probably not a good idea for me to say. It's only a low chance anyway, I mostly don't think alignment converts exist.
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Re: Bring Your Own Alignment - D2
« Reply #261 on: September 27, 2024, 05:11:37 pm »



Vote Count

Imp:
MaximumSpin:
FallacyofUrist:
TricMagic:
VermillionSkies:
Juicebox:
No Elimination:
Yes: TricMagic, MaximumSpin, Imp

Not Voting:  VermillionSkies, FallacyofUrist, Juicebox


Day 2 will end in approximately 43 hours, at 18:00 GMT Sunday 29/09/2024
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« Reply #262 on: September 27, 2024, 06:02:00 pm »

Day 2 will end in approximately 43 hours, at 18:00 GMT Sunday 29/09/2024

Might be time to consider Juicebox.

I gave him a candy D0.  If he ate it (which might explain why only 1 person was bit N0, eating the candy may be the other action) then in addition to maybe having 2 actions, as of N1 he paralyzes anyone he targets who isn't specifically immune to losing the ability to action - far as I know that might just be other people who ate my candies.  I'm sorry I didn't have enough to give everyone one.

Being able to paralyze people isn't a problem by itself; I could from D1 on.  Just use it reasonably, right?  Which Juicebox may have done, we can't tell because Tric delayed Juice's N1 actions.  Might have saved us some harm, who knows, but thanks Tric.

However, there's a real chance I may be unable to pin a live Juice. If he already ate that candy I simply can't paralyze him.

I presume Tric means Juice's N1 actions will happen N2 or for D3, with N2 actions also for D3.  This can't be a problem for me with feed; it would cause a wound, stack with the wound that Verm's expected to cause.  N3's Bitten folks become vamps (unless immune) the following N4; if Juice is a vamp then he can act twice long as he picks two targets; he could theoretically bite the 4 of us that are living and not already vamps if he wanted, 2 N1 delayed and the other 2 N2.

If Juice also has monster status ([vampire] means having it), that means I win start of N4 unless I already lost before then (like if everyone else has won/lost/died before then).

I don't think we can expect Tric to delay Juice again, if that's even possible.

Tric is [vampire].  He has 2 actions per night and needs only target or be targeted by FoU and Imp to win, he says.  If Tric is allowed to act, he's allowed to win if he chooses, I think he chooses.  I'm hoping FoU agrees to delay acting on Tric for a bit (if FoU even needs to at all) and to delay satisfying wincon just yet even if the chance comes; not to lose just to float around a bit longer.  Me, to pin Tric I need to act on him, but he didn't feed N1.  So he has no day actions usable even if he normally has day actions.  And I don't think he can act through being paralyzed, so I think I can pin him as long as I choose and we're both in play.

If Verm reasonably can win, I'm cool with Tric winning too at some point.  If Verm loses I dunno how I'll handle it; Tric having a chance to win may not make sense to me anymore, we'll see.



But depending on how cooperative Juice is and how opposed to the rest of us his wincon actually is, him elim may be needed.  He can be ressed, useful to know more about his win and loss conditions.  I'm not trying to screw Juice over, though that may happen from confusion and sense of danger I feel.
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« Reply #263 on: September 27, 2024, 07:19:53 pm »

Well there's no reason to hide anymore so, basically, everything that Tric said about me is true. I am the vampire. My wincon is simply to kill Imp.

That being said, I am very willing to cooperate, and I think that we can all win. I have some semblance of a plan on how we can do that, but I need to know exactly how Tric's delay works first
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« Reply #264 on: September 27, 2024, 07:34:00 pm »

FoU - Tric offered to give you a modifier, he thought the status wounded would maybe count.  It doesn't, it's a status.  But feed turns into [vampire] modifier after a cycle passes.  You can get it from him - or me after I stop pinning him (I would give it to you in the way that starts next day, after I use it that night, and it doesn't give you a wound).  Any other vamp in play can give it to you through a feed.  So, we have you covered if you're willing to be patient, but I have no idea how you get your 4th modifier.

If you wanna hang out and help others get wins, I love that idea.

Assuming that doesn't change my win condition, being a vampire would probably be pretty helpful, yeah.
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« Reply #265 on: September 27, 2024, 08:09:56 pm »

Well there's no reason to hide anymore so, basically, everything that Tric said about me is true. I am the vampire. My wincon is simply to kill Imp.

That being said, I am very willing to cooperate, and I think that we can all win. I have some semblance of a plan on how we can do that, but I need to know exactly how Tric's delay works first
Your actions will resolve during the next night. Already said that.
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« Reply #266 on: September 27, 2024, 08:26:56 pm »

Well there's no reason to hide anymore so, basically, everything that Tric said about me is true. I am the vampire. My wincon is simply to kill Imp.

That being said, I am very willing to cooperate, and I think that we can all win. I have some semblance of a plan on how we can do that, but I need to know exactly how Tric's delay works first

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I'm definitely open to your wincon claim.  When ready, willing to be more clear?

When you say 'kill Imp'.  Do you need me dead by any means, elim is fine, or do you have to find a way to actually yourself cause my death?  (That vote power makes loads of sense if an elim of me is just fine; it's also needed in case I wanna play a lot with CM's candies - which I don't wanna play with)  Do you have any loss conditions besides if I won before I died in whatever way?  Can you win while dead?

We can maybe save CM a win too if we handle things in the right order and want to (I would prefer all win).

Tric, love to hear if you wanna discuss how that delay thing exactly will work.  PPE:  So, we listen to Juice say what he's already stuck doing, and we can all consider what everyone does.  But what would happen if we killed Juice today?  Would he still have his delayed actions?

I'm likely sitting on Tric/preventing Tric's actions tonight to help ensure Tric sticks around to let others chase their wincons - but I'm super into an all-players-win if we can.  But if you chose to help a full all-players win and we believed you, and you can make actions happen after death, then we can do neat stuff like control when my res and/or vamp creation happens, trying to land more wincons more rapidly/flexibly.

Max, it might help more to check Juice's wincon than Tric's, but there's a lot to consider in all ways.

I only know of 3 modifiers that FoU can get; [Transformed] from my candy (thank goodness I happened to give one to FoU), [vampire] that has many ways to get, and the one from Max's candy that FoU says she has.

Verm mentioned a modifier he gets after getting 3 nibbles, but it's not clear if that is sharable, maybe FoU can borrow it after Verm has it, or maybe there's some other way to get FoU that last modifier that I don't know exists.

If we have everyone undead status win before game ends, CM wins.  As far as I know, that means I have to die (Juice leaves) and Tric has to act on me+FoU (Tric leaves).

If we have those things happen while FoU is incubating a bite, she can even keep [vampire] in the game if we wanted it, but the moment FoU eats the candy I gave, FoU paralyzes those FoU acts on, so FoU's a bad one to spread infection for the double actioning.

Interested in your ideas/plan, Juice!
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« Reply #267 on: September 27, 2024, 08:37:15 pm »

Max, it might help more to check Juice's wincon than Tric's, but there's a lot to consider in all ways.
I don't have any ability to check anyone's wincon. Rather, what I was going to say before is that, while Tric seemed like he was continuing to follow his original wincon, I could believe he was recruited if he were actually lying brazenly. Since juicebox confirmed it was the truth, then, that's not a possibility and I continue to believe there are no alignment changes.
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« Reply #268 on: September 27, 2024, 09:15:20 pm »

Well, presuming everyone's currently honest about stuff like undead status, monster status, and their real wincon and loss conditions -

with some wiggle room for if Juice can win if already dead?

With some re-evaluation for whatever delayed actions of Juice are coming into play, especially if death doesn't stop those or if Juice has to be alive to win?

With some serious uh-oh on Fallacy's behalf, because I have no idea who has another modifer that FoU can get or how FoU can get it, if it's not something FoU can share/borrow/steal from Verm when Verm gains his 3-bite modifier ???

I do see 1+ ways for all to win if everyone chose to cooperate.
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« Reply #269 on: September 28, 2024, 03:00:28 am »

We don't have crazy long to prepare, it's weekend and day ends before too long.

Each person please comment on this possible plan, especially if you see an error in it like it doesn't meet your wincon (explain/discuss) or you think a path is too dangerous.  The only way I can see that CM gets to win too involves trusting either Tric or Juice quite a bit, my pick there is Tric.

It's super useful to know if Juice's delayed actions still happen N3 even if Juice is elim D3, so we can try to plan around them.

How's this look to everyone?

Presumptions:  Juice can win while dead, just needs me to be dead before I win.  Anyone who can win while dead can also win after being eaten by Verm.  There is no alignment change in play; nobody lied about their wincon or loss conditions.

Verm eats dead CM D2.  Elim Juice D2.  Verm targets Tric N2 (no wound on Vamp).  I cancel my plan to squash Tric's actions.  Tric feeds on FoU and does whatever to Imp (hope it's not too disruptive).

Tric wins D3.  No undead left in play; CM wins D3.  Verm eats dead Juice. Elim ImpJuice wins N3.  Fou turns Vamp N3 and feeds on Verm; Verm targets MaxFoU hopefully achieves the last needed way to get the 4th modifier somehow (I don't know what this is)

Vote Yes D4.  Verm eats dead ImpMax wins N4.  Imp wins N4.  Verm targets FoUFoU eats the candy N4, gaining 2 modifiers, I hope this gives FoU 4.

I sure hope FoU wins D5.  Verm wins D5.

Snags:  What delayed actions about to happen from Juice, which may/may not cause additional early undead.
Snags:  I don't know how FoU gets that 4th modifier, hopefully FoU knows or someone shares.  Hope it didn't die with CM.
Snags:  If anyone lied about their wincon, they may not like this plan.
Snags:  Tric might want to remind me not to roar at a dragon, and might be able to meddle with me somehow N2 in a way that harms 1+ wincons.
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