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Author Topic: Bring Your Own Monster (8/12) — Game Over  (Read 15489 times)

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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #675 on: August 22, 2024, 08:16:52 am »

@Imp:
I don't feel that underpowered. Telling you a joke is simple, but makes me stronger. For example I didn't just tell Juicebox a joke, I would consider it a pretty good ability. This seems to be a "ramp" role that can become stronger over time.

@Fallacy:
You did this same blind tunnel shit last time on me when you were scum with Max. I remember actually backing off of you early on thinking it could be townie, but you were blatantly mafia by the end of the game. What's different here if we swap Max for 4mask instead? I don't think you're attacking Max with sincere intentions.
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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #676 on: August 22, 2024, 08:22:14 am »

4mask did downplay the whole 3rd party thing, much like you're doing Fal. What evidence that I'm not an SK hmm?
... If Mafia knows there are two teams then that could fit. They're tying to keep them focused on finding the other rather than tangents.
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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #677 on: August 22, 2024, 08:24:15 am »

Okay, for the sake of politeness, let me rephrase.

If he is town, then his Day play is not furthering the town's objectives at all, and is not oriented towards doing so.

That's what I mean, in the most factual sense.

Max.  You able to consider and evaluate this observation?  Like, do you think it's true?  If not, can you help identify 3-5 pro-town 'day game' thingies that FoU's just not seeing?

Or, are you specifically and Maxily determined to avoid doing that this game if you can (i.e., FoU's right about that specific detail, for whatever reason you're doing that on purpose if you are, and maybe say why)?
Sure. No, I don't think it's true. I think I'm acting the same way as always. I think Fallacy is scum and is therefore refusing to admit that my drawing attention to his Typical Fallacy Scum Behavior on day 1 and not letting up about it since was a pro-town daygame action. I think Fallacy is also ignoring, maybe intentionally, the suspicion I've directed against Magma as well as my needling of the lurkers (about the fact that they won't be able to lurk through two whole consecutive days). To be totally fair, I think that a town Fallacy who has fallen down the rabbithole would also think "Magma is the ONLY ONE WHO BELIEVES ME, therefore Magma must be town and EVERYONE ELSE IS EVIL", and never consider that Magma might be opportunistically jumping on those misdirected suspicions, so failing to recognize my arguments against Magma as pro-town isn't inherently a scumtell. And yes, I even think it's possible that they might both be town. Although I'm not sure which I think is worse.

I definitely played a pretty low-key d1. That's not unusual for me. D1 is the time for listening patiently and collecting data. When, on top of that, I'm also developing a plan to try to get a fully surviving town two nights worth of information followed by two days worth of following up on that information, there's even less reason for me to make any waves. And of course I'll admit that when a profoundly scummy Fallacy starts screaming bloody murder about "me behaving the same way as I always do" and gins up a micro-wagon against me with, oops, flipped scum on it which I know is just going to fall apart if I ignore it like always, then yeah, it doesn't encourage me to want to engage either.

I think Fallacy, if you look closely, does not have a single iota of a case and is just enacting a strategy of making a lot of noise to drain my attention and interest, which has been largely successful. On the subject of not having a single iota of a case, don't forget that this started with Fallacy complaining about me leaving my vote on him... due to Fallacy starting the day off incredibly scummy... and not "using it to pressure anyone". You know, that thing I constantly say I never do because I believe in putting my vote where I mean it (which is usually the player I want to lynch). What else do you think I'm gonna do? I can pressure people just fine by telling them I don't trust them regardless of redtext.

Meanwhile, while Fallacy has been headless-chickening about me, at least a few people are sort of just there and I don't feel like the game has moved any closer to being solved if it ISN'T one of either 4mask/Fallacy/Magma or 4mask/Fallacy/hectoongeon (or 4mask/hectoongen + Fallacy/Magma, which I've thought a bit about). Yeah, it'd be really nice to address that and figure something out about how players like Oliverz and CrystalizedMire are interacting, but every time I flip back to this thread Fallacy's screaming at me again and I just. Don't. Care. The point of playing a game is to have fun.

And yeah,
From my perspective, Max is in a situation this game that I really don't envy.
was pretty spot on too, and
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Max also claims to be playing a support role this game, I imagine that's not really ideal in Max's view either.
certainly applies. As much as I think I've made the most of it successfully, starting with just two massively gamestate-changing oneshots and having to decide when to use them isn't my idea of a good time. I'm the potion-hoarder type and it took a lot of thinking to convince myself to blow them both at the start like this, and now I have nothing to do but sit around and vote. That is, if it weren't for Tric, but I already feel obliged to use that in a particular way tonight anyway. Still, while it's not my ideal ability setup, don't get me wrong, I'm really proud of the way the game has started. A no-lynch followed by two consecutive nights without kills is definitely the weirdest start of any game I've ever been in, and I'm happy to feel that town really did make the most of the opportunity I created. This situation would be perfectly liveable if it weren't for the two other things.

Anyway, Imp, I haven't forgotten that you wanted my input on 4mask's last will and testament. I just woke up, though, so it's going to have to wait for now.
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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #678 on: August 22, 2024, 08:30:16 am »

K, can answer Fal's question of if Max has been doing townie things with that post right there. Anything to say Fal?
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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #679 on: August 22, 2024, 08:31:53 am »

Actually... Given the other abilities we know of.. Well I'd still be suspisous of you if my ability returned no result anyway. Since that was never warned against. In fact... Gonna check day 1 posts for something.
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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #680 on: August 22, 2024, 08:39:04 am »

Although I'm not sure which I think is worse.
At least for right now, I decided I hope you're scum, Fallacy. At least then you have a wincon to justify it.
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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #681 on: August 22, 2024, 08:44:24 am »

Looking back at the posts, no indication of you being immune to investigations. Fear is interesting isn't it. Or the lack of it. Why the jokes, are you laughing at getting one over on us. No RVS, yet saying you're scared of Max and least scared of juice, even those these two both ended up on your proposed scumteam?

While I did get a result due to gm error that colors my biases, the fact I even attempted it is on you not warning against it. I lynched 4mask for the same reason, so might as well keep the trend Fallacy. Why feel the need to not do anything about that. I can at least tell your lack of fear day one was having a bulletproof you were sure to activate by the first night. But after that fear seeped into your actions as you saw the writing on the wall, that you wouldn't have a reprieve unless you could make it to the night.

Pretty much a result I hope for. Fear can cause people to make mistakes after all. And Max is very scary right now.

Ninja Max.
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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #682 on: August 22, 2024, 10:09:34 am »

shrugs. Max could be scum, but A: That would waste my action, and B: We're not dead yet. C: Might be my fault Max is a bit distant, though the switch off was somewhat scummy. Not enough on it's own to push for their lynch today.
Any mafioso with half a brain wouldn't use some random ability given to them that essentially says, "Use me if you're mafia, definitely NOT a trap!!"
If using it would out him, then not using it isn't any sort of evidence that he's town.

Unrelated, y'all really think the mafia have both an investigation-immune player, AND a godfather? Much more likely is that Fallacy is the miller analogue this game.
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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #683 on: August 22, 2024, 10:34:19 am »

Votecount
- Crystalizedmire: (0)
+ FallacyofUrist: ToonyMan, Maximum Spin, TricMagic (3)
- Imp: (0)
- juicebox: (0)
- Magma Mater: (0)
- Maximum Spin: (0)
- Oliverz144: Magma Mater (1)
- ToonyMan: Imp (1)
- TricMagic: (0)
- VermilionSkies: (0)
- Wolfkey: (0)

- No Lynch: (0)

Not Voting: Crystalizedmire, FallacyofUrist, juicebox, Oliverz144, VermilionSkies, Wolfkey (6)

With 11 votes in play, it’s 6 to hammer.

Day 4 will end Friday at 9:00 PM PST (about 1 days and 12.5 hours from now).



4maskwolf's flip has been corrected.
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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #684 on: August 22, 2024, 11:29:06 am »

I am the False Hydra, possibly one of the best possible SK roles to submit. Still town.

My Innate, Corpse Eater, gives me a shot to all my other shotted abilities after two players die.

My Auto, Psychic Scream, prevents investigative results from containing information from me.

My shotted Auto, Corpulent Bulk, is just being bulletproof.

Aside from that, I have two different types of redirect (Mind Control and Enslave) and the ability to alignment inspect (Mind Reader).

All my abilities started with 0 shots, so I've been pretty much useless all game.
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FoU has some twisted role ideas. Screw second-guessing this mechanical garbage spaghetti, I'm basing everything on reads and visible daytime behaviour.

Would you like to play a game of Mafia? The subforum is always open to new players.

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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #685 on: August 22, 2024, 11:35:41 am »

shrugs. Max could be scum, but A: That would waste my action, and B: We're not dead yet. C: Might be my fault Max is a bit distant, though the switch off was somewhat scummy. Not enough on it's own to push for their lynch today.
Any mafioso with half a brain wouldn't use some random ability given to them that essentially says, "Use me if you're mafia, definitely NOT a trap!!"
If using it would out him, then not using it isn't any sort of evidence that he's town.

Unrelated, y'all really think the mafia have both an investigation-immune player, AND a godfather? Much more likely is that Fallacy is the miller analogue this game.
Umm.. Magma, who's the godfather in this analogy? Godfathers are a bit bastard.

Fallacy, how can we trust you in this scenario. Two people dying does not line up to the whimsical fearlessness you showed day 1. Your day 2 self was like night and day. Also that seems designed to get Imp's paranoia up in arms.
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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #686 on: August 22, 2024, 11:46:45 am »

shrugs. Max could be scum, but A: That would waste my action, and B: We're not dead yet. C: Might be my fault Max is a bit distant, though the switch off was somewhat scummy. Not enough on it's own to push for their lynch today.
Any mafioso with half a brain wouldn't use some random ability given to them that essentially says, "Use me if you're mafia, definitely NOT a trap!!"
If using it would out him, then not using it isn't any sort of evidence that he's town.

Unrelated, y'all really think the mafia have both an investigation-immune player, AND a godfather? Much more likely is that Fallacy is the miller analogue this game.
Umm.. Magma, who's the godfather in this analogy? Godfathers are a bit bastard.

Fallacy, how can we trust you in this scenario. Two people dying does not line up to the whimsical fearlessness you showed day 1. Your day 2 self was like night and day. Also that seems designed to get Imp's paranoia up in arms.
4mask would have been a godfather if town had died.
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TricMagic

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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #687 on: August 22, 2024, 11:56:50 am »

Assuming there wasn't a second team... But fair. Doesn't really change the inconsistency and tunneling Fal is doing. And being honest, Fal having a method to just completely nullify Max. And yet yesterday they were super panicked about leaving Max alive. It just doesn't fit. And if something doesn't fit it's usually because they have ulterior motives. Instead of that ability being in Max's hands, it's in Fal's. And if mafia has that ability in hand it's not good for town.

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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #688 on: August 22, 2024, 12:06:52 pm »

Of note, any lurkers are going to get lynched anyway if they don't participate today, no matter how scummy Fal is. Apply some votes and post some thoughts at least.
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Re: Bring Your Own Monster (11/12) — Night Three: Psych, It's Day Four
« Reply #689 on: August 22, 2024, 12:40:37 pm »

For all that Spin says he can pressure someone without voting them, I don't recall any instances of him actually doing that or attempting to do that on Day 1.

I'd like everyone participating in the me vs. Max battle to actually assess Max's day play this game in the past two days.

Just, you know. Actually investigate things. Don't just take his word for it.

I fully expect to die today. Can't really stand up to both Max and Toony. But if I can lay the groundwork for Max's death, I'll be satisfied enough.
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FoU has some twisted role ideas. Screw second-guessing this mechanical garbage spaghetti, I'm basing everything on reads and visible daytime behaviour.

Would you like to play a game of Mafia? The subforum is always open to new players.
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