Okay, for the sake of politeness, let me rephrase.
If he is town, then his Day play is not furthering the town's objectives at all, and is not oriented towards doing so.
That's what I mean, in the most factual sense.
Max. You able to consider and evaluate this observation? Like, do you think it's true? If not, can you help identify 3-5 pro-town 'day game' thingies that FoU's just not seeing?
Or, are you specifically and Maxily determined to avoid doing that this game if you can (i.e., FoU's right about that specific detail, for whatever reason you're doing that on purpose if you are, and maybe say why)?
Sure. No, I don't think it's true. I think I'm acting the same way as always. I think Fallacy is scum and is therefore refusing to admit that my drawing attention to his Typical Fallacy Scum Behavior on day 1 and not letting up about it since was a pro-town daygame action. I think Fallacy is also ignoring, maybe intentionally, the suspicion I've directed against Magma as well as my needling of the lurkers (about the fact that they won't be able to lurk through two whole consecutive days). To be totally fair, I think that a town Fallacy who has fallen down the rabbithole would also think "Magma is the ONLY ONE WHO BELIEVES ME, therefore Magma must be town and EVERYONE ELSE IS EVIL", and never consider that Magma might be opportunistically jumping on those misdirected suspicions, so failing to recognize my arguments against Magma as pro-town isn't inherently a scumtell. And yes, I even think it's possible that they might both be town. Although I'm not sure which I think is worse.
I definitely played a pretty low-key d1. That's not unusual for me. D1 is the time for listening patiently and collecting data. When, on top of that, I'm also developing a plan to try to get a fully surviving town two nights worth of information followed by two days worth of following up on that information, there's even less reason for me to make any waves. And of course I'll admit that when a profoundly scummy Fallacy starts screaming bloody murder about "me behaving the same way as I always do" and gins up a micro-wagon against me with,
oops, flipped scum on it which I know is just going to fall apart if I ignore it like always, then yeah, it doesn't encourage me to want to engage either.
I think Fallacy, if you look closely, does not have a single iota of a case and is just enacting a strategy of making a lot of noise to drain my attention and interest, which has been largely successful. On the subject of not having a single iota of a case, don't forget that this started with Fallacy complaining about me leaving my vote on him... due to Fallacy starting the day off incredibly scummy... and not "using it to pressure anyone". You know, that thing I constantly say I never do because I believe in putting my vote where I mean it (which is usually the player I want to lynch). What else do you think I'm gonna do? I can pressure people just fine by telling them I don't trust them regardless of redtext.
Meanwhile, while Fallacy has been headless-chickening about me, at least a few people are sort of just there and I don't feel like the game has moved any closer to being solved if it ISN'T one of either 4mask/Fallacy/Magma or 4mask/Fallacy/hectoongeon (or 4mask/hectoongen + Fallacy/Magma, which I've thought a bit about). Yeah, it'd be really nice to address that and figure something out about how players like Oliverz and CrystalizedMire are interacting, but every time I flip back to this thread Fallacy's screaming at me again and I just. Don't. Care. The point of playing a game is to have fun.
And yeah,
From my perspective, Max is in a situation this game that I really don't envy.
was pretty spot on too, and
Max also claims to be playing a support role this game, I imagine that's not really ideal in Max's view either.
certainly applies. As much as I think I've made the most of it successfully, starting with just two massively gamestate-changing oneshots and having to decide when to use them isn't my idea of a good time. I'm the potion-hoarder type and it took a lot of thinking to convince myself to blow them both at the start like this, and now I have nothing to do but sit around and vote. That is, if it weren't for Tric, but I already feel obliged to use that in a particular way tonight anyway. Still, while it's not my ideal ability setup, don't get me wrong, I'm really proud of the way the game has started. A no-lynch followed by two consecutive nights without kills is definitely the weirdest start of any game I've ever been in, and I'm happy to feel that town really did make the most of the opportunity I created. This situation would be perfectly liveable if it weren't for the two other things.
Anyway, Imp, I haven't forgotten that you wanted my input on 4mask's last will and testament. I just woke up, though, so it's going to have to wait for now.
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