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[Maximum Spin]

TBH, there was BYOR 16 where town gave inspected mafia ToonyMan a reprieve to lynch hector13 instead, correctly. But I don't know if there's a comparable alternative - I mean, you know who I suspect by now, lol, but it's not so blatantly obvious that everyone else wants to do the same thing.

[Magma Mater]

Uh no Imp we're lynching the guy who was redchecked. Using a lynch on AnimePigeon just because you think he *might* be an arsonist is ridiculous.

[Magma Mater]

Also it seems obvious that 4mask starts the game as checking mafia because... he is mafia. I do believe his claim that he can graverob dead players to change the alignment he checks as, definitely seems like a scum ability though. Don't believe that he tracked anyone tho.

[Imp]

I'm pretty neutral about 4mask's elim D3.  I want anti-town gone.  I've been miller and claimed D1 and was fine until more mod-created circumstances + player actions got me dead; nice confusing game.  I just saw us have a game where a miller claim D1 opening post was refused and the miller killed D1, and indeed flipped town (TOWN NOT MILLER), but I didn't believe the claim (Miller's fine, I just didn't believe it, mostly from the reasons given for reads)

I also feel kinda safe from the NK, so I'm not super-eager to kill 'maybe that's not actually anti-town' and just heard from my 'counted' towncore NK immune buddy that he ALSO gets the last results of the dead.  That's nice.  We must be facing TERRIFYING ANTI-TOWN because we seem equipped to some decent or high extent.  The more I learn about our toolset the more scared of the anti-town I feel. (Still not scared of specific players, FoU.  Just specific roles/ability sets/teams)

After we get done dealing with whatever dealings we have with AP, I'm currently interested in an elim of this miller, who is apparently a gremlin-kobold cross.

I'm as interested in solving you as you appear interested in solving me, little gremold.  Your 'analysis' doesn't even compile, what's this koblin you wrote it in?

I take all miller claims with a grain of salt especially since they're basically meta here at this point.

Technically, my mission in making miller claims meta has been to achieve webadict's dream world where millers are always lynched d1. So I guess I should vote for Egan_BW. No hard feelings.

That was a weird game, we didn't even see full flips, but when Egan flipped, it was green.  And when other town flipped, it was green.  So Egan as town lied about being a miller maybe in that very weird game.

But if I read last game where the miller died D1, I might have hesitated to claim miller if I was one; Max sure said let's elim all millers D1, or close enough.  4mask hasn't played here regularly in quite some time, might be not thinking much of our current meta, probably didn't consider the game where miller-claim Egan was elim D1 despite the claim.

My overall read of 4mask:  Weak scumlean, medium confidence.  Mostly for the absolute fail to read me/aggression towards me/perception of me as either aggressively seeking 4mask's elim or conniving trying to sneak it around an afk 4mask, and complete apparent lack of perception that I didn't want to claim my inspect without a great reason to and wasn't sure 4mask was a great reason to - but 4mask doesn't have much meta on me and I don't have meta on 4mask.  And the timing of 4mask's posts, but that can be real life and not game-meaningful, maybe.

4maskwolf:  I want your reads of everyone, and to see and feel you interactive and playing as you please.  There's more than 24 hours left in D3, I want to see how this time is used by 4mask and everyone.  I have an inspect-answer about 4mask's alignment, I'm not super interested in investing another inspect into 4mask, I have 9 others I've never inspected yet.  I could maybe get some useful info on a re-inspect if 4mask ends up 'among the counted', but that's not a priority to me and I don't want to try and solve this from that.  I find the alignments as I can, I found 4mask and I got more people to look at/for!  Then we all decide what to do.  All of us, not just Magma Mater who sees no more purpose in talking today (!!!) and would have us just elim 4mask and we're done with D3.

Mater, if we elim 4mask and find out they ARE a mason, and WERE TOWN, do you still hold the stance that elim of someone not-4mask is rediculous, be it AP or any other person considered by many to be likely to be anti-town?

[Magma Mater]

I'm pretty neutral about 4mask's elim D3.  I want anti-town gone.  I've been miller and claimed D1 and was fine until more mod-created circumstances + player actions got me dead; nice confusing game.  I just saw us have a game where a miller claim D1 opening post was refused and the miller killed D1, and indeed flipped town (TOWN NOT MILLER), but I didn't believe the claim (Miller's fine, I just didn't believe it, mostly from the reasons given for reads)

Okay, sure, this is a different situation though. He claimed miller AFTER you red-checked him. You see how this is different yes?

I also feel kinda safe from the NK, so I'm not super-eager to kill 'maybe that's not actually anti-town' and just heard from my 'counted' towncore NK immune buddy that he ALSO gets the last results of the dead.  That's nice.  We must be facing TERRIFYING ANTI-TOWN because we seem equipped to some decent or high extent.  The more I learn about our toolset the more scared of the anti-town I feel. (Still not scared of specific players, FoU.  Just specific roles/ability sets/teams)

You feel safe, I guess the rest of us can go fuck ourselves then? There's also the problem of, what if there's no third-party and you're just chasing shadows. If AP flips town, are we going to lynch Oliverz next, because he could ALSO be arsonist?

4maskwolf:  I want your reads of everyone, and to see and feel you interactive and playing as you please.  There's more than 24 hours left in D3, I want to see how this time is used by 4mask and everyone.  I have an inspect-answer about 4mask's alignment, I'm not super interested in investing another inspect into 4mask, I have 9 others I've never inspected yet.  I could maybe get some useful info on a re-inspect if 4mask ends up 'among the counted', but that's not a priority to me and I don't want to try and solve this from that.  I find the alignments as I can, I found 4mask and I got more people to look at/for!  Then we all decide what to do.  All of us, not just Magma Mater who sees no more purpose in talking today (!!!) and would have us just elim 4mask and we're done with D3.

It's a misconception that using all of the possible time available is good for town. Tempo is far, far more important. Plenty of games have been lost simply because town gets bored or burnt out by long games.

Mater, if we elim 4mask and find out they ARE a mason, and WERE TOWN, do you still hold the stance that elim of someone not-4mask is rediculous, be it AP or any other person considered by many to be likely to be anti-town?

Did he claim mason somewhere? Who's his partner(s)? You're the only person talking about that as far as I can tell.
But yes, even if it turns out that 4maskwolf is town, not lynching someone who had a redcheck on them is silly.

[Imp]

This is my 27th post of D3!  I'm getting the hang of this post restriction stuff, and it's okay and not bugging me, woo!  Even a day this long, I'ma be well inside it.  Totally like this:



Now, back to important stuff.

You're so weird to my thinking, Magma.

1) I mixed up mason/miller again (first time this game, but I've sadly mixed the words before), and meant miller, whoops.

2) No, I'm explaining my vote and reasons.  Unless you clearly think all my play is a huge f-u to everyone else in the game... and maybe you do think that way... but last I checked there's 12 of us alive and 1 have 1 vote and everyone makes their own decisions.  I speak my mind when and where I choose.  I didn't even say "Please don't vote X, I want X to live past today because Y" ... I would say that extensively about Vermilion but I think he's pretty safe.  If the rest of you or enough of you vote 4mask he's going down, and that could be the right call.  We all have to decide what we do.

3) Umm, what's the evidence that Oliverz is possibly dousing?  Are you just trying to mock me so hard you don't care about making sense or using reasoning?  Reverse psychology now maybe?  You were pressing for an Oliver elim earlier/made a case on him/targeted him first for lose an ability or maybe all of them.

4) AP is kinda scummy.  I'm super extra scared because of that 'funny business' but I have concerns in general.

5) ... What do you think of AnimePigeon?

You focused in #333 on how Vermilion and I thought either Oliverz or AnimePigeon had to be throwing NK at either Vermilion or myself.

That's true, I/maybe we thought that at the time but I at least had some confusion - Vermilion's protect has mech I didn't expect, so that assumption can't be correct.

But other than that one post, and challenging me now, you don't ever mention AP or talk to him.

This is the closest you come to talking to a group that contains AP:

Unrelated, I'll say for now that FallacyofUrist, Imp, Maximum Spin, VermilionSkies are town. If you're town and not on this list it'd be nice if you could post more. Specifically @Oliverz144.

Even here, though

Of the people you mention in your last paragraph, Crystalizedmire is mafia, Max Spin is town, TricMagic is town, Fallacy is town, I'm town. Feel free to steal these reads if you'd like, they're pretty great.

Obviously, I'll be voting for one of Crystalizedmire, juicebox, 4maskwolf, or Oliverz144 by the end of the day. I feel like if we kill these four people, we probably win? I'd like to see what other people have to say about these reads, but obviously my preference is for lynching 4maskwolf today.
Fallacy, Tric, Vermilion, Max, and Imp all seem like likely town to me, ordered from most to least town. Wolfkey is probably town too, although he'll be frustrating to deal with.

The closest you come to talking ABOUT AP is here:

You're here, so let's work together for now. To those three that you oppose lynching today, I'd also add that I strictly oppose lynching Vermilion or Fallacy. Assuming you also oppose lynching yourself, this leaves:
- Crystalizedmire
- Oliverz144
- Maximum Spin
- juicebox
- Wolfkey
- AnimePigeon
Which of these players would you most support voting out today? One or two names would be preferred. Please don't say "any".

In that you don't say you're strictly opposed to elim him and leave him last on a list of people that mostly include those you earlier said were preferred elims for you.

But you never talk to AP at all, or about him, except when you reacted to Vermilion's/my focus on AP/Oliverz for the NKs, and then when I focus on wanting him elim for arson risk.

So, what's up with you and AP?  What's your read on this person and why do you seem to discuss/try to interact with AP so differently and less than the rest of us?

[Magma Mater]

3) Umm, what's the evidence that Oliverz is possibly dousing?  Are you just trying to mock me so hard you don't care about making sense or using reasoning?  Reverse psychology now maybe?  You were pressing for an Oliver elim earlier/made a case on him/targeted him first for lose an ability or maybe all of them.

4) AP is kinda scummy.  I'm super extra scared because of that 'funny business' but I have concerns in general.

5) ... What do you think of AnimePigeon?

You focused in #333 on how Vermilion and I thought either Oliverz or AnimePigeon had to be throwing NK at either Vermilion or myself.

That's true, I/maybe we thought that at the time but I at least had some confusion - Vermilion's protect has mech I didn't expect, so that assumption can't be correct.

But other than that one post, and challenging me now, you don't ever mention AP or talk to him.

<snip>

In that you don't say you're strictly opposed to elim him and leave him last on a list of people that mostly include those you earlier said were preferred elims for you.

But you never talk to AP at all, or about him, except when you reacted to Vermilion's/my focus on AP/Oliverz for the NKs, and then when I focus on wanting him elim for arson risk.

So, what's up with you and AP?  What's your read on this person and why do you seem to discuss/try to interact with AP so differently and less than the rest of us?

Nah, not mocking you. I think there's as much evidence for Oliverz being the arsonist as there is for AnimePigeon. That is to say, there is none. The only reason you think AP is arsonist is paranoia. Because you've seen a similar role in the past. But really, the flavour (Mike Wazowski) and targets (yourself, juicebox) don't fit extraordinarily well. Why would a 3rd party arsonist target someone who's likely to be mafiakilled at some point? Perhaps he is a mafia arsonist, but then you have to imagine that Vermilion's role exists solely to screw over a serial killer and is otherwise useless, AND that the serial killer went after sub-optimal targets (i.e. likely mafia kill targets). The pieces just do not fit together that well. Am I wrong?

It's true that I haven't interacted much with AP this game. He's been difficult to read because he has 0 investment in the game and doesn't seem to have any interest in playing. I don't think he's even reading the thread, given by his vote on me and lack of acknowledgement of the red check on 4mask. He's probably just town, almost certainly not 3p. He's less likely to be mafia than 4mask, Oliverz, Max, or Wolfkey. He's more likely to be mafia than Imp, Vermilion, Fallacy, TricMagic, Crystalizedmire, or juicebox. I guess he's pretty much right in the middle.

(inb4 you and Tric get all vexed about me changing my mind on juicebox / Crystalizedmire).

[Imp]

3) Umm, what's the evidence that Oliverz is possibly dousing?  Are you just trying to mock me so hard you don't care about making sense or using reasoning?  Reverse psychology now maybe?  You were pressing for an Oliver elim earlier/made a case on him/targeted him first for lose an ability or maybe all of them.

4) AP is kinda scummy.  I'm super extra scared because of that 'funny business' but I have concerns in general.

5) ... What do you think of AnimePigeon?

You focused in #333 on how Vermilion and I thought either Oliverz or AnimePigeon had to be throwing NK at either Vermilion or myself.

That's true, I/maybe we thought that at the time but I at least had some confusion - Vermilion's protect has mech I didn't expect, so that assumption can't be correct.

But other than that one post, and challenging me now, you don't ever mention AP or talk to him.

<snip>

In that you don't say you're strictly opposed to elim him and leave him last on a list of people that mostly include those you earlier said were preferred elims for you.

But you never talk to AP at all, or about him, except when you reacted to Vermilion's/my focus on AP/Oliverz for the NKs, and then when I focus on wanting him elim for arson risk.

So, what's up with you and AP?  What's your read on this person and why do you seem to discuss/try to interact with AP so differently and less than the rest of us?

Nah, not mocking you. I think there's as much evidence for Oliverz being the arsonist as there is for AnimePigeon. That is to say, there is none. The only reason you think AP is arsonist is paranoia. Because you've seen a similar role in the past. But really, the flavour (Mike Wazowski) and targets (yourself, juicebox) don't fit extraordinarily well. Why would a 3rd party arsonist target someone who's likely to be mafiakilled at some point? Perhaps he is a mafia arsonist, but then you have to imagine that Vermilion's role exists solely to screw over a serial killer and is otherwise useless, AND that the serial killer went after sub-optimal targets (i.e. likely mafia kill targets). The pieces just do not fit together that well. Am I wrong?

It's true that I haven't interacted much with AP this game. He's been difficult to read because he has 0 investment in the game and doesn't seem to have any interest in playing. I don't think he's even reading the thread, given by his vote on me and lack of acknowledgement of the red check on 4mask. He's probably just town, almost certainly not 3p. He's less likely to be mafia than 4mask, Oliverz, Max, or Wolfkey. He's more likely to be mafia than Imp, Vermilion, Fallacy, TricMagic, Crystalizedmire, or juicebox. I guess he's pretty much right in the middle.

(inb4 you and Tric get all vexed about me changing my mind on juicebox / Crystalizedmire).

K, so.  You dive into various people.  From encouraging Oliverz to especially talk more 'if town' to how you probe at and appear to try and resolve Juicebox.

Why are you okay with AP's play/letting him coast?  You don't seem to be doing that with anyone else.

[Oliverz144]

(Note: i am tired and writing this quickly)

If anyone has used used abilities that let them know what faction someone is, i would like to both who the target was, and which night it was used on, due to an ability i used on one of the nights.

My main issue is not lacking the time to post, it's not knowing what to post.

N2 I got Masquerade as my result, a bussing action. Wolfkey did just allude to it, so if you can give us your action results? And yes I did target you N2.

You are correct, masquerade is one of my abilities.

Hey, Wolfkey!

If you happen to be a partnered anti-town trying to pick out what you should reveal/claim/lie about to try and help confuse results that may or may not exist yet about your partner or even yourself, while leaving every possible other lie/claim/reveal open for the future...

Well, your behavior's a pretty close match to what I imagine that might look a lot like, so maybe keep it up!

If you are a town going 'oh bleep oh bleep oh bleep this could go good or bad and I'm so scared and alone', I sympathize and have some advice.

Most of us alive are probably town.  It's a very rare game that starts with more multiple not-town factions all competing for the win and a few townies without a clue thinking most everyone around them is town; if you actually are in that situation there's some chance the various competing evils don't wanna mess much with town yet, they wanna find the enemy evil before the enemy evil finds them, so if you are town in that situation it's VITAL to FIND OUT and try to persistently snipe the strongest anti-town while working to elim them all but in some kinda balance that preserves town and prevents any enemy dominance.

If you are town with likely useful info, including about messing up other townies, it's okay to tell us.

Some town roles are ridiculously destructive andrequire great targeting or much self control to be used in a townie fashion; here's the scariest of those roles I ever played beside:

Rapidly Evolving Meme By Knightwing (Town)
(Innate, 0 Growth, Auto) Memetic Mutation: The more you learn, the more you are, the more you grow. You gain benefits according to the amount of Growth you have.
-2 Growth: You learn to be flexible. Your abilities cannot be Disabled, and you learn how many players visit you each Night.
-4 Growth: You learn to be agile. You may take an additional action each Night. You learn when you’ve been redirected.
-7 Growth: You learn to be lethal. You gain Basilisk. Infovore and Memetic Consumption are updated such that ‘Something’ becomes ‘Knightwing’.
(Auto) Infovore: You are a new type of creature, with spindly limbs of words and concepts and a writhing core of information. When a player would learn information about you from an investigative action, they instead learn “Something perceives your perception.” and you learn the information instead. You also gain 1 Growth when this happens.
(Night) Memetic Consumption [target]: You can only grow by consuming other infoforms.  Any investigative results your target would gain this Night are replaced with “Something gnaws on your gnosis.” You learn those investigative results for yourself, and gain 1 Growth per action interfered with by this action.
(Reference, Night) Basilisk [target]: You fracture your target’s internal panopticon. You kill them. They learn “Knightwing devours your didact.”

You're pretty clearly not THAT (I think, based on your few comments) but I kinda recommend you just let folks know what you're doing that messes stuff up.

We have a shockingly high number of information-gathering roles this game, both through direct action and through, to paraphrase Vermilion, 'it's not an ability but something mech confirmed alignment about another player'.

"Someone might really mess with information gained, depending on various variables" is a possible reason why we have so many info-gathering roles (I was thinking we might have a lot of enemy factions hunting each other, they all need a way to find out somehow - but there's other possible reasons).

Rather than waiting for every single information gatherer to claim, you might want to just state whatever, like "I messed with any information gathering on AP last night.  If you tracked him, you saw a fake target, it's only certain he didn't visit that person.  If you watched someone, you saw nobody visited them, even if someone did.  If you inspected them, you got a random alignment that could or not be correct.  And mod help you if you copied their action, you actually have a self destruct button if you use it' - or whatever your truth actually is.

That looks way more townie, to me, than you saying something like "So, after you all tell me what you did to who, I'll discuss if that might be disrupted and how'.  I'd also, if it's really predictable to be disruptive, if you'd discuss why you picked your targeting and how you think it is more useful for town to have the confusion than not (this can happen; Knightwing's example he is town.  He gets the information, whatever it is, and can tell us instead of the person who did the inspecting - if he targets an anti-town inspector he's stealing info for town that town wouldn't get otherwise and can also help identify those who probably shouldn't be spying on someone maybe trusted or something (double checks are wise though, helps catch cults or verify cults or temporary disguise isn't a problem).  We can use this to help him grow and help ensure townies don't die, this can be discussed and understood.)

Night 1 - I told a Joke to Eskcanta (she should be able to vouch for this)

This happened to me N1 and I was told I laughed; this is consistent with AP having done it based on my mech though I wasn't told it was him.

I ate every single one of the nightkills, and Imp is town. I have reason to suspect that Oliver and AP are as well, due to the effects of Imp’s role.

For Clarity, I can confirm what Vermilion has said here.

I am under the belief that all four of us involved with this (Me, Imp, Oliver, Vermilion) are good.

So I will be using this to create a POE.

AP, are you confirming that there were no other NK that were somehow else blocked, maybe by other people entirely?  This is important, it tells us stuff like if there's more than 1 enemy team, if there's a SK or similar.  If you're working on reads or what makes sense to you, that's fine, I just wanna make sure I understand.

I still am holding 4MaskWolf as one of my Main Town Leans.

Wow, awesome!  Why?  And evaluate their play in detail please that made you have a main town lean on 4mask.  If instead it's mech be clear it's that and I'd also like to know when this mech happened.

But I'm cleared N2 - and it's N2 you believe you got targeted as an NK.

How's the clear work in your mind again?  We know that generic mafiakills are free and some non-generics are probably also free, so the fact that you have a traceable action N2 is not a clear to me, is it to you or do you mean something else?

I've got some interesting information. First is Fallacy got shot Night 1, or otherwise started with a 0-Shot Bulletproof. As the name is Corpulent Bulk, if the latter it refills as others end up dead, meaning the only way to kill them is via lynch. The second piece of info is something I will hold for now.

Thanks, Tric.

But, yes, since the information is public now, I'll go ahead and confirm that I have this ability, and that it started out at 0 shots.

I'm assuming you didn't actually get that information from an action used on me, though.

Why do you have that assumption, FoU, that an action wasn't used on you to learn your ability?
CM, you went from telling us "I was unable to perform actions on n1 and n2. Did anyone else experience something similar to this?" to telling us, CM "chose to steal abilities on both nights and both nights my abilities remained unchanged."  Why'd you pick that direction to explore first and/or did you believe you couldn't perform actions N1 and N2, instead of any of the other reasons why you might not succeed in your actions?  You seemed to change stories very fast when Juice claimed to watch you target someone, you didn't seem to suspect Juice of possibly lying or of being maybe redirected HIMSELF so he watched someone not you, even though his observation doesn't match your claim of targeting.
Oliverz, did you actually lose an ability to Mater?  You mention ultimatum and extortion, are you able and willing to tell us what penalty or problem you have or if you lost an ability?  I'd like to know what your penalty was or would have been if you didn't 'agree' to lose the ability.  If the ability was transferred (but Mater says you refused?) I'm interested in knowing what ability it was (since now 2+ players know what that ability is, 'why not tell everyone' if it WAS transferred and you no longer have it?  You may have a reason) and I also want to know, like super much, IF it appeared that Mater knew what ability he was going for.  You may not know that, or the wording may be clear that he knew what he was going for.  But it's very useful to know, since this happened N2 especially, if Mater seems to have known what ability he was targeting instead of maybe targeting a random ability you have/had.
Max, do you confirm this?  I presume you were targeted N1 with an 'ultimatum'?  Think it could be pro-town to tell us more about, or meaningless, or more pro-town not to discuss details?

Imp, i did not share any information about my ability(ies), I also did not give up and cede any ability(ies) of mine.
here is the part of my notification i got at end of night 1

heavily paraphrased

MM presented you with an ultimative decision! a)
get a non-Innate ability of your choice mugged and give it to them, or
b) loose ALL of your non-Innate abilities the next time someone chooses to crumble and allow stealing and extortion from him.
 PM me your choice by the end of the ~~Day~~ night. no matter what you choose, your decission will be processed at the end of the ~~Day~~Night.

[Oliverz144]

3) Umm, what's the evidence that Oliverz is possibly dousing?  Are you just trying to mock me so hard you don't care about making sense or using reasoning?  Reverse psychology now maybe?  You were pressing for an Oliver elim earlier/made a case on him/targeted him first for lose an ability or maybe all of them.

4) AP is kinda scummy.  I'm super extra scared because of that 'funny business' but I have concerns in general.

5) ... What do you think of AnimePigeon?

You focused in #333 on how Vermilion and I thought either Oliverz or AnimePigeon had to be throwing NK at either Vermilion or myself.

That's true, I/maybe we thought that at the time but I at least had some confusion - Vermilion's protect has mech I didn't expect, so that assumption can't be correct.

But other than that one post, and challenging me now, you don't ever mention AP or talk to him.

<snip>

In that you don't say you're strictly opposed to elim him and leave him last on a list of people that mostly include those you earlier said were preferred elims for you.

But you never talk to AP at all, or about him, except when you reacted to Vermilion's/my focus on AP/Oliverz for the NKs, and then when I focus on wanting him elim for arson risk.

So, what's up with you and AP?  What's your read on this person and why do you seem to discuss/try to interact with AP so differently and less than the rest of us?

Nah, not mocking you. I think there's as much evidence for Oliverz being the arsonist as there is for AnimePigeon. That is to say, there is none. The only reason you think AP is arsonist is paranoia. Because you've seen a similar role in the past. But really, the flavour (Mike Wazowski) and targets (yourself, juicebox) don't fit extraordinarily well. Why would a 3rd party arsonist target someone who's likely to be mafiakilled at some point? Perhaps he is a mafia arsonist, but then you have to imagine that Vermilion's role exists solely to screw over a serial killer and is otherwise useless, AND that the serial killer went after sub-optimal targets (i.e. likely mafia kill targets). The pieces just do not fit together that well. Am I wrong?

It's true that I haven't interacted much with AP this game. He's been difficult to read because he has 0 investment in the game and doesn't seem to have any interest in playing. I don't think he's even reading the thread, given by his vote on me and lack of acknowledgement of the red check on 4mask. He's probably just town, almost certainly not 3p. He's less likely to be mafia than 4mask, Oliverz, Max, or Wolfkey. He's more likely to be mafia than Imp, Vermilion, Fallacy, TricMagic, Crystalizedmire, or juicebox. I guess he's pretty much right in the middle.

(inb4 you and Tric get all vexed about me changing my mind on juicebox / Crystalizedmire).

K, so.  You dive into various people.  From encouraging Oliverz to especially talk more 'if town' to how you probe at and appear to try and resolve Juicebox.

Why are you okay with AP's play/letting him coast?  You don't seem to be doing that with anyone else.

saw this about me and noticed talking about oliver (me) (aka Oscar xD)
i was on retreat in a monastery, now im driving back on the train and have more than enough time to read and answer everybody =)

[Oliverz144]

As I think you're Town and don't really trust Tric, I'll give you an ability if you visit me this Night.

Might not be a good ability, but it'll have some utility.

vanillaizing me?

[Oliverz144]

[size=20]anybody allowing himself to be oppressed and surrendering an ability to magma mater is claiming scum to me. [/size]

[Oliverz144]

anybody allowing himself to be oppressed and surrendering an ability to magma mater is claiming scum to me. 

[Oliverz144]

Again, please do not quote the entirety of large posts. You can make the quote, then remove whatever you don't want to quote before you finish your post.

That said.

i have mechanical confirmation that You are Town

Would you care to share what form this confirmation takes? I already thought Imp was town, going by her behavior, but this is good to hear.

i got an iron green check (barring any redirects)
also im on my phone, deleting from quotes is kinda hard for me :/ sorry

[TricMagic]

Kinda like how Fal doesn't trust me. Bit isn't calling me an SK and voting me. Note investigation actions are wasted on Fal, GM Error notwithstanding.