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[Imp]

Do I say this now?  Keep waiting?

I don't know how big a single scum team can be.  I don't want to risk a sudden hammer before people even know all I can say, and stuff's heating up.  Say it noooooow!

So, I can inspect.  I double checked, that's alignment-specific (I was like, inspect what?  mafia wiki's 'inspector' is basically a watcher, meh)

I can be redirected, but I also can for free give a 1-shot ability; I hope if I'm redirected they both go the same way (if we have randomizers, please don't ruin all my hopes and plans!).

N1 I gave a 1-shot and did an alignment inspect to target 4maskwolf.  Nobody else claims getting that ability N1 and everyone else has spoken by now, and 4mask did claim getting it, but all shifty-like and hasn't talked since.  I imagine 4mask has been going

shit shit shit shit shit shit

ever since, especially when I started making statements about Vermilion's alignment, and I'm sure 4mask would probably notice Vermilion also said got an ability from me N2, so I probably know something about 4mask's alignment.

Sadness, because until I know, maybe someone stole what I tried to give to 4mask and subbed some other ability and the alignment inspect I did was for someone other than 4mask; heck maybe even somehow our Wolfkey somehow strips inspects from the rest of actions and retargets (to self?  To wrong?  I wonder what the story is) so that like Vermilion probably could separate a NK from the rest of a clump of single-target multiactions, maybe my inspect could get stripped off.

Or maybe 4mask is genuinely that busy, or maybe 4mask is just genuinely that efficient at losing when thinks is probably caught.

My results on what I am very sure is 4maskwolf's alignment:  red and mafia specific.  No idea if there's multiple mafia teams or if I can even get a specific evil-team name from someone who hasn't successfully targeted me yet (maaaybe I can't even if they have, but I sure get more info when I inspect those who are 'among the counted', I just haven't inspected a 'counted' mafia alignment yet).

Since I had a mafia find already and a N2 inspect to do, I gave ability and used inspect on Vermilion; if he was gonna be evil I really wanted to know.  Nope, he is town.  I know more about him too, none of it matters/gets said, I will even carefully ask questions I already think I know answers to, to hide what I do and don't learn from inspected 'counted', cause that's useful to conceal.

Do I want you to also be 'among the counted', and do you want this too?

Depends.  It's most pro-town for some to be, and some not to be.  For sure, the 'counted' know when someone new targets me, they will be informed.  If I lose the ability to post, like get commuted or die, the counted are likely to be able to say if someone new targeted me or not.

But the pool of 'counted' probably doesn't need to be bigger than 4-5 at most, big enough they all don't die at once, small enough that 'not already having targeted Imp this game' still is meaningful.

I have a little extra power over the 'counted', and some mech works very differently, others exactly the same.  Annoyingly, I don't have defenses against being ignited by a counted, so I kinda feel fear of AP and kinda want him dead today, cause I don't feel enough townieness in him, specially with that read and reasons on someone I got a mafia inspect on and how all the play's gone.

But death's death, and he can't ignite me and survive it; it would be distinctive with TricMagic and me dying, and whatever new targeting of me done that night or lack to help make it clear or not if it happens N3 (another reason why maybe it's not ideal for a bunch more people to rush to also be 'among the counted'.

I haven't inspected him yet.  I may or may not tonight if he lives to N3, I kinda don't want to make others feel safe from inspection/think they have more time.  I don't know if anyone can take him or 4maskwolf into custody of sorts either (that's not actually something I can do).

4maskwolf's scumteam (if not solo) surely knows what ability I gave 4mask.  There's a list of possible outcomes, and 'give fruit to someone' could be what happened.  Otherwise, I won't say what; that scumteam surely knows whatever 4maskwolf got but they don't know the other things I can give.  It's nothing super duper utterly dangerous in the hands of scum; it's not an extra kill.  Except for 'give fruit' it's all abilities I'd be happy to see a townie get and happy however a townie used and not likely to ruin us if it ends up in scum hands.  And none of it's unique or weird, it's all common stuff.

And Imp, I'm sorry, I know you like Fallacy, but ALL my dedicated Fallacy Red Flags have been going off this time. It's just like in Max Jack Knightwing. LOCKED ON. I'm not saying we need to do it right now, but I do have to ask you to extend me the trust of considering it a reasonable possibility (even though I'm not really backing it up with anything but gut feels).

Hey, no probs and thanks for the outreach.  I have no strong opinion on Fallacy yet this game and huge concerns actually about Magma. I hope Magma's not holding your abilities (or Oliver's abilities) hostage, and know what I'd be thinking if mine were in Magma's control; it's even all on who Magma targets next.

You could be right about a Fal-Magma team, or they could even both be independently evil.  I've only inspected 1/6 our game so far   We're gonna elim who we elim.  We have a lot of inspect claims.  We probably have some great reason for this, either evil gotta find other evil or we gotta feed inspects to our Wolfkey or something else.

Who thinks we need to elim AP, because of risk of being evil with 4maskwolf + risk of being an igniter?

Night 2 I was added to a chat with Oliver & Vermilion. (I didn't create the chat, someone else did)

AP, is this a typo?  Please confirm you intend to say you were added to this chat N2 and not N1 or any other time.

[Maximum Spin]

You're kidding.

4mask was my next top scumread because I felt like he and Magma were teamed d1, so, that's good to know. I am 100% down with voting 4maskwolf here.

Now, I've been clear about my suspicions, and the decision is now in the rest of your hands, so I'm not going to push anymore for now.

I don't know how big a single scum team can be.

(With 12 players? I might go as high as 4.)

[FallacyofUrist]

I don't know how big a single scum team can be.

(With 12 players? I might go as high as 4.)

What? In what world is that balanced? You're not just scummy as heck, you're also making no sense.

[Maximum Spin]

I don't know how big a single scum team can be.

(With 12 players? I might go as high as 4.)

What? In what world is that balanced? You're not just scummy as heck, you're also making no sense.

have I ever given you the impression that I am very good at balance

[Wolfkey]

Night 1 i used masquerade (bus t1 with t2) on Magma Mater and Crystallizedmire

Night 2 i roleblocked Crystallizedmire

[Magma Mater]

@Imp I have one more ability. If I gain two abilities that I did not start with, my extortion ability becomes a free action. That's it. No other abilities or special win condition. Cards are on the table now. If you are town, then my wincon is compatible with yours, because I am also town.
I targeted Oliverz night one. At the start of night two, he received the extortion message. At the end of night two, I received the result of his decision.
I targeted Max night two. At the start of day three, he (presumably) received the extortion message. At the end of day three, I will receive the result of his decision.
If someone surrenders an ability to me, then ALL players who refused will lose all of their non-innate abilities.

You're here, so let's work together for now. To those three that you oppose lynching today, I'd also add that I strictly oppose lynching Vermilion or Fallacy. Assuming you also oppose lynching yourself, this leaves:
- Crystalizedmire
- Oliverz144
- Maximum Spin
- juicebox
- Wolfkey
- AnimePigeon
Which of these players would you most support voting out today? One or two names would be preferred. Please don't say "any".

Magma among the remainder of this list, who would you like to see lynched? I'm sure Max will agree to a stay of execution given we can repeat the day by skipping tonight.

- Crystalizedmire
- Oliverz144
- juicebox
- Wolfkey
- AnimePigeon

From those five? Oliverz is playing most like mafia, so him. His claim is dubious, I have a hard time believing he targeted Imp with an investigative ability. Crystalizedmire is also saying that she wasn't able to steal abilities from him, which is strange. I feel like it both has the highest chance of hitting mafia, as well as solving some mysteries.

And wow 4maskwolf is mafia, I never would have guessed!

You're kidding.

4mask was my next top scumread because I felt like he and Magma were teamed d1, so, that's good to know. I am 100% down with voting 4maskwolf here.

Now, I've been clear about my suspicions, and the decision is now in the rest of your hands, so I'm not going to push anymore for now.

I don't know how big a single scum team can be.

(With 12 players? I might go as high as 4.)

The idea that I am teamed with 4mask is actually hilarious. You were JUST saying that I was teamed with Fallacy, how quickly that changed once the redcheck came out. L O fucking L.

Unvote for now.

[Magma Mater]

Also, Imp, thanks for taking my advice and figuring out 4mask's alignment on your own. I knew you'd get there eventually. 

[Magma Mater]

Also I'm going to be super extra clear here.

Max, if you do not give me your "skip day" ability so that I can inspect the wording, I will consider it a scum claim.

Even if you think I'm mafia... if you are town, it's in your best interest to give me that ability so that I can publicly confirm it.

[Maximum Spin]

Also I'm going to be super extra clear here.

Max, if you do not give me your "skip day" ability so that I can inspect the wording, I will consider it a scum claim.

Even if you think I'm mafia... if you are town, it's in your best interest to give me that ability so that I can publicly confirm it.

You sure do make an awful lot of assumptions.

[Imp]

Okay, so does this make sense, am I understanding bussing correctly?  Did I miss anything folks have claimed that anyone notices?

N1, Wolfkey masquerades/busses Magma Mater and Crystalizedmire.  Tricmagic targets CM, so instead gets results from MM.  MM targets Oliverz, so that's what TM sees, thinking it's CM's target.  CM targeted MM, would that force CM to target self thus fail to steal any ability?

N2, Wolfkey roleblocks CM.  CM targets Oliverz, but is roleblocked, again getting some kind of failure to steal.

If I understand right, CM and TM may have completely been honest about the results each reported regarding this.  None of the claims seems anti-town to me, any of it could be, but this can all be fine.  I've seen town CM steal from reasonable targets; I've been town and stolen from targets I knew were town (I had a robin-hood-like ability and could give stuff really well too, but still, I am aware it can be townie to be able to steal and to actually steal, even from known town).  Additionally, Wolfkey's choices are odd but not necessarily horrible.  Wolfkey, would you tell us why you picked these targets?

TricMagic N1 gives a kill-everyone or 'mafia instantly wins!' or something to Max, and is horrified Max talks about it (odd, Max doesn't talk about the extortion though); also N1 checks FoU and gets [redacted by mod] if I understand right.  N2 checks an ability Wolfkey has, gets masquerade.  This seems like TricMagic, probably not maf TM, maybe most likely town TM (even as town TM is always an honorary serial killer and we honor the TM indeed!  Me myself and I, plus any other that can be counted as 'we'!)

4maskwolf did mod-knows-what N1 and N2, we have no claim except 4mask did get a new ability; Imp got a red mafia inspect result on 'uncounted' 4maskwolf.  4mask, I am totally still listening to you if you talk more.  I tried to wait as long as I thought certain to be pro-town before I stopped trying to gather new info and announced, but I'm still trying to gather more info.

Imp runs around like Sandy Claws on N1 and N2, giving gifts and checking if people are on the naughty or nice list, 4maskwolf N1 seems naughty and Vermilion N2 seems nice.  No comment redacted by Imp/Sandy Claws about anything else going on, but it's all towny and best intentioned - feel free to recheck whenever in case of conversion or other doubt.

Vermilion did a guardian thing on Imp N1 and N2, may have done other stuff; Imp got a 'counted' town inspect on Vermilion.  Seems very townie to me here; I almost didn't inspect here but I already had a red, was alive and glad, and Vermilion had kinda made himself very close to me, why not check since we can only handle so many anti-town found at once and if Vermilion is anti-town really do want to know.

AnimePigeon has an ability that tells people they were targeted to hear a joke and they laugh.  This unlocks something for AP at some point, I hope it's not a happy death for all the people who laughed.  AP targeted Imp and TM.  These are the kinda targets, I think, one picks when one wants to land likely town; interesting that Vermilion wasn't chosen (but by N2, AP was in a chat with Vermilion, maybe that affected target decision) ... no wait!  I misremembered, said targeted Juicebox.  JB said slight scumlean on AP.  I had said 'if stays quiet, end AP' and noted that he'd played with me when I'm evil more than anyone here, but had rarely seen me good.

AP - why'd you pick Imp then Juicebox to target, you funny fellow?

Due to your Mechanic Imp, if anything, I need to ensure you remain alive.

Very little comment.  I'm not gonna discuss the mechanics I know are involved and I may not know all the mechanics involved (there could be you-side-only mech there, and it even could be individualized for all I know, I am sure you guys don't know all my side of it), but while I am something of an activated trap card for you guys who landed actions on me (if you can't win with town - I will be careful and gentle for those who can) I wasn't told like, 'if I die, you will go with me'.  That could potentially be true for you specifically, I suppose, with no reason for me to be informed of, and I'm fascinated if so, it makes me want to laugh again.  What I don't want everyone to think is that 'Oh, Imp died.  Well, mechanics mean it could not have been AP!' because I do not know anything about that mech and absolutely cannot confirm it.

I don't think this ability is 'enough' for AP, unless the stuff he unlocks is really interesting.  It could be.  This can be anything; he can be innocent and have his views and actions.  I want to hear a lot more from AP, but I know something of how busy he is.  Watch this slot for possible ignition; it's not TM but Juicebox and me possibly targeted.  And why those targets, argh whaa why.  'Cleared N2', again NK are often free and multiaction is a thing (I am multiaction, for example, though not all are; a single action of tell a joke and get some power but need more - I don't believe this.  My skin crawls!  He's Oogie Boogie, eeeeeeek!  "And if you aren't shakin' there's something very wrong, 'cause this may be the last time you hear the Boogie Song".  No mech to back that up but omg eeek help!

Gasp!  Is it like this, his 'act' is dead without me?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqTQYGUhz_Y

Again, this is fear talking.  I don't have a freaking clue, just observations... clues are for you guys this game, even something of a possible evidence trail; me I get fear and help and mech, and the chance to give gifts, yay!

Imps Mechanic suggests that me, Vermilion, Oliver and Imp are aligned in some way.

It begins with a successful action used on specifically me.  If you actually are still unaware of that, let's make that very clear.  A lot follows it, and can be individualized to some extent.

Your 'aligned in some way' is you three all successfully did something to me; and I'm me; we can be all different alignments except 2 of us are the same for sure.  Any of you could be anything otherwise.  Be aware; new successful targetters on me will go through the same set of mech and you will be informed if you're still alive; if you're pro-town I kinda need you to understand that so you can pass info to the 'uncounted' in case I'm not here to.

I'm not attempting to encourage or refuse any new targetters (except I really prefer that Magma please do not target me, umm if he does I hope it's with something lightweight and safe for me, I feel like a snowflake before a volcano and expect only disaster for me if I am too close to his powers; but hey he chose so far not to use them on me, he might be fine)

Magma Mater... interesting stuff.

@Imp I have one more ability. If I gain two abilities that I did not start with, my extortion ability becomes a free action. That's it. No other abilities or special win condition. Cards are on the table now. If you are town, then my wincon is compatible with yours, because I am also town.
I targeted Oliverz night one. At the start of night two, he received the extortion message. At the end of night two, I received the result of his decision.
I targeted Max night two. At the start of day three, he (presumably) received the extortion message. At the end of day three, I will receive the result of his decision.
If someone surrenders an ability to me, then ALL players who refused will lose all of their non-innate abilities.

I believe this.  I actually believe the town claim here too.  Knowing I can be wrong, still.  This could be true.

Funny that Max discusses this:

I have more I want to say later, but first I would like to state that I gave 1+ single-use actions out both N1 and N2.

I would like to confirm receiving a very nice present which I'm now guessing was probably from you.

... Kinda expected you to keep it under wraps, but yeah. That was my gamble I decided Day 1. So nevermind the previous post.

Sorry, you know I'm pretty cards on the table about mechanical interactions as town. Not going to hide information that could be used to explain the giver's action. I don't intend to share any other details of what it was in any way.

But if it helps, I'm fully confident in you now. No way you'd do this as mafia. (You'd do it as sk but that's okay.)

But doesn't mention the named mech interaction stuff from Magma.  Funny, but believable.

Also I'm going to be super extra clear here.

Max, if you do not give me your "skip day" ability so that I can inspect the wording, I will consider it a scum claim.

Even if you think I'm mafia... if you are town, it's in your best interest to give me that ability so that I can publicly confirm it.

This is interesting.  I'm reminded that FoU has a 0-shot ability that presumably can be filled; I wonder if FoU can refill other shotted abilities under some circumstances.

I'm not sure how I feel about this 'request'.  It would presumably wipe Oliverz abilities off the board.  I wonder how that would affect the mech I have going.... probably wouldn't change anything from my side of the stuff.  I'm not highly convinced Oliverz is anti-town, I'm aware several are concerned about him (and I don't have to fear as much from normal NK, I really wanna find anti-town but I don't have my normal fear set this game anymore, prize you so much Vermilion!)

I'm not sure how I feel about the ability in MM's and maybe passed to others, hands if MM is or isn't town.  Did Max have evil planz that didn't get to happen?  I don't really think so.

At this time I don't support the assertion that only Max as scum might refuse that extortion.  We also have other ways to hopefully check Max's alignment if we want to.  And scum Max can and would give that ability away if he saw fit - giving it can't prove Max town (I wouldn't agree it's proof) and I don't agree that not giving it proves Max scum.

So, don't expect me to vote Max because of your assertion, MM; however I'm more comfortable with you now than I've been at any point earlier in the game.  Remember you can even be redirected (Unless you know you can't be) and that's a very potent thing you can do; I suppose you can just stop using it if you find yourself forced to target someone you don't want to risk having lose all abilities of -

For example, if this ended up used on me, right now I don't agree it makes sense to wipe out Max's and Oliver's abilities and I also don't have an ability I'd like to give up forever.  If I simply refuse, now you have an extortion ready to wipe me out as well, which I presume as town you may not want to explore, even if we find another townie to pass the curse to.

Oh, what happens if the person's killed the day they hold the extortion decision?  Does their choice 'land'?  If you were forced to target me and I refused, could you use it on my latest evil inspect result and then the following day we elim them, they're dead before night; does that 'clear' the extortion and release everyone already on it, or just set everyone up to get wiped?

I kinda like having Max and Magma in the same game, Magma you're maybe the closest to a second Max I've played beside.... and you two, I mean that as a compliment to you both.  Totally feels like playing beside Dexter and the refigerated truck killer though as they play their very intense games, but I'm maybe not someone either sees as a target (or are either or both so coming for me once ready to).  However, staring at the Oogie Boogie song and focused on you, my mind said no and screamed about AP and known 4mask.  Instead... this fits you now, weirdly, to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZu4tD0uQOw.

I'm not currently eager to see either of you elim or NK, and you're both maybe fine.

Also, Imp, thanks for taking my advice and figuring out 4mask's alignment on your own. I knew you'd get there eventually. 

No promises (about getting there eventually on everything), but I'm listening to everyone and thinking as well as I can.  I don't mean to be stupid and I was only slightly surprised to see red/mafia as the result on 4mask (it's also the first evil inspect result I've ever had!!! I've rarely had inspects; I was super cop not that long ago but everyone I inspected was a likely next-day ML and all town).  I knew it was possible 4mask could be anti-town; I didn't think it very likely, but there was enough reasoning to make that a good choice and yes, your comments were a significant factor in my choice.  I appreciate what you and everyone says and does!

Hey.  Mater.  You also sound like you can avoid offering that extortion to anyone.  Remember redirects can exist and consider if it helps more than it harms, I'm sure you will make a decision that satisfies your understanding of your wincon and your values/situational awareness.

Who's left...

Oliverz doesn't claim what he did N1 or N2... oh, this is maybe part of why we want him dead or stripped of abilities, yeah?  He maybe is also a cop, with a statement that Imp and Vermilion, and maybe also AP are town.  He also doesn't talk a lot, mostly about his outrage at being extorted.  Sure doesn't LOOK townie.  He's also quieter than he was last game I played with him (he was town and really wanted me dead, but I was framed town and nearly designated dier there, haha).  Do I want him stripped of all abilities?  Dunno.  He's 'counted' though, and I know I'm shoulder to shoulder with an apparently unkillable protector, and my very flavor tells me I'm immortal - which is only flavor until someone like Vermilion makes it real.  This may be anything.  I note that MM thinks he's pretty scummy, and MM has marked a inspects as mafia person before (even if MM is evil, he could NEED other evil dead) and may be genuinely, informedly, and skillfully hunting)

Fallacyofurist ... let's see.  Intends to accept the extortion from Magma if offered it, Magma seems to want to offer it.  HRM.

Well that was a useless first day.

I was unable to perform any action on either of those nights due to the mechanics of my role.

I will also probably be unable to perform an action on Night 3 due to the mechanics of my role.

Thanks, Max. (I don't actually know if you're responsible for this, I just feel like I should blame you.)

Well, not a very townie-focused attitude.  Could be anything.

Juicebox tracked CM N1 (targeted Oliverz from bussing with MM by Wolfkey) and AP N2 (targeted Juicebox)

Maximum Spin took D2 out of play and then no actioned N2.  Has hinted about a lot of various interesting abilities; Tric thinks alternatively proved not-Mafia because Tric says gave him a way mafia could win.

[TricMagic]

To Imp, N1 I targted Fal with my inspect and gave Max a gift. (No result on Fal was supposed to be how it went but got it anyway thanks to GM error.) N2 I targeted Wolfkey and got Masquerade, the bus action.

[TricMagic]

As in I never targteted CM or MM, seems like this part is an error in players?

N1, Wolfkey masquerades/busses Magma Mater and Crystalizedmire.  Tricmagic targets CM, so instead gets results from MM.  MM targets Oliverz, so that's what TM sees, thinking it's CM's target.  CM targeted MM, would that force CM to target self thus fail to steal any ability?

[TricMagic]

TM seems to get used but don't know who it refers to here.

In any case unvote. 4Mask is likely on the chopping block.

[TricMagic]

Read Imp's post in full..
Magma, you're off the list for now. The free thing once you have enough abilities is in line with a shackling, but you're still not getting anything from me. Mostly cause I do not want to turn off the gift I gave to Max. I'm guessing the decision gets made during the day though, so if Max has used it by then perfectly fine giving you the expended ability for you to check.

4mask, hat say you to Imp's claim? You're the last one to do so. Wolfkey, generally good to tell us you can't really play or not during days due to RL stuff, but thanks for clearing up the actions last night. You've cleared Crystalizedmire of doing the kill at least. Probably.

[FallacyofUrist]

You're kidding.

[1] 4mask was my next top scumread because I felt like he and Magma were teamed d1, so, that's good to know. I am 100% down with voting 4maskwolf here.

[2] Now, I've been clear about my suspicions, and the decision is now in the rest of your hands, so I'm not going to push anymore for now.

[1] Did you ever say that you thought those two were a scumteam, back during day 1?

[2] Garbage. If you think someone is scum, then you should be doing everything in your power to get them executed. Build a case post! Map out 4mask's relationships!

Spin, your scum play is ass this game, and the only reason it's working is everyone's too distracted by role minutiae to look at the obvious thing right in front of their faces.