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[Imp]

IMP,
I claimed what i did.
N1 i copped You.
N2 i forgot to act.
Are you purposefully forgetting this?

Not even accidentally forgetting it, buddy bud!  It's not something I forgot or didn't talk about, so I know you're not reading at least me very close/well/much OR you're just trying to manipulate in your response.

I'm saying it's hard to say this is highly pro-town and super believable and 100% reason we should elim someone else today.  You could be lying anti-town with play like everything you're doing and it's hard to tell.  I can fight to save some people with sus but I'm going to be honest unless townie lying this game, and I have no townie reason to lie about you at this time.  So you're on your own, I've literally said everything useful I can about you, which you don't seem to be reading much of.

Y'know who doesn't need to read much?  Scum.  they just gotta get a good-for-their-team outcome.  Some scum like to read and read it all anyway.  Most town kinda needs to read and participate a lot.  They gotta find the bad guys.

T(oony)m(an)

OMG thanks Tric, 'TM' is now again this-game banned from my vocab.  Up to speed, thanks!  Any and ALL previous use of it this game is TricMagic.  I wondered why I had this 'note to self' that I was to call him Toons, period.  Now I know why!

Btw, i wonder how CM still tries to scumpaint me for him not being able to steal a role from me yet fully accepts the wolfkey claim of roleblocks and redirects...

Yep, however that Wolfkey claim is oddly timed, oddly pre-prepared with a request about inspect results, and perfectly explains everything involving CM and others that has been claimed at the time it was said.

It could be true or as fake as the day is long.  And now Wolfkey's not talking at all.  I think most of us are aware of this, glad you noticed some or all of it too.

But more the fact that Mind Control is something Imp as the Butler of Butlers had to deal with. Eh..

Yeah but that's not why I'm concerned about it this game.  From FoU - claim dunno why of False Hydra - if true the False Hydra's mind control is MASS MIND CONTROL and all about killing anyone who would hurt the hydra, about making people forget the victims of the hydra (hrm, maybe FoU could do stuff to people who took dead folks abilities - but FoU didn't claim that - but that could be a real townie thing if so since we haven't seen a town flip yet or heard a town claim yet of an ability that takes from the dead for us - but FoU didn't claim that at all!) and about making people as a group help the false hydra a LOT without really understanding what they're doing.

It's way more scary if it's that level of mind control and that's what the theme is.

If someone's forced to target me I can potentially clear them with an inspect, and maybe get enough info to catch if they're something like my Butler character that is vulnerable to being controled by 1 other person.  Maybe.  Have to see the info I get and if that even exists in the game.

[Imp]

I gotta workfocus and be gone like 9 hours.  I'll be back before end of day.  I currently see every reason to elim Wolfkey today, I think this is scum.

He may not be covering for CM.  Or could be like an ally or something, he could be guessing because he sure tied himself to CM.

He could be honest but where's his townie play?  I don't see it.  Sorry bud but I struggle to see the town in you.  4mask looked townier than you (ignoring the inspect result, of course.  You may end up with one on you at some point too).

Wolfkey could be direct partner with CM covering as needed for them both, but that really obviously ties them together.

He could need a cover story, think she might be an unpartnered ally, and make up his own cover story to help cover her.

I still don't object to a FoU or Oliverz elim.  I'm still wondering uneasily about Mater.  Until I forget the game exists and get myself to work, byeeeeee!  Back a few hours before EoD, have fun and figure stuff ooooooooout!

[FallacyofUrist]

I really get the feeling that EP came up with a ton of ideas for my False Hydra role as a mafia or SK, but then rolled town, because the only thing stronger than my curse is irony.

And at that point, I got stuck with two different flavors of redirect and an alignment inspection.

The redirects aren't even that easy to use.

Enslave lets me decide who someone targets... the next Night.

Mind Control lets me take two people and swap who they're targeting. Really neat concept, but also really hard to use well.

The redirects don't really synergize that well with an alignment inspection, given that if I red-peek someone I'm just going to do my best to get them killed during the day instead of waiting for the night so I can redirect the scum kill.

If I made it to Night 4, I was going to hand off Enslave to Mater, seeing as it's the least useful piece of my kit.

[ToonyMan]

Thanks for posting Oliverz.

Oliverz looks like newbtown to me.

1. They have a town result on Imp the guy who is going to get all the mafia killed. I don't understand why you do this as mafia.
2. They forgot to action on N2. Even if this is a falsehood to trick us I don't understand why you straight up claim this as mafia when somebody like 4mask would tell them that's a really bad idea.
3. After coming back to the thread they attack and vote TricMagic who has no votes and isn't as easy a wagon as other players for today. This doesn't seem like something you'd do for self-preservation.


@FoU:
I don't think we can determine alignments by how mafia-y their role looks at least.

What are your reads of each player, not just Max? The day end is approaching...

[ToonyMan]

I gotta workfocus and be gone like 9 hours.  I'll be back before end of day.  I currently see every reason to elim Wolfkey today, I think this is scum.

However, according to Magma Mater it sounds like it's very unlikely Wolf is mafia with 4mask because they would have used Wolf to get a nightkill to work or something? I'm willing to believe that.

I think FoU is just floundering.

[Oliverz144]

 

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From my perspective, Max is in a situation this game that I really don't envy.  He's got FoU previously saying all kinda stuff about him that's negative, as well as that he's scum with nearly every post.  He's got (I presume) this extortion thing OR something MUCH more complex going on between him and Mater - though I wonder if the skipped day/night mech might help with that. I presume not though, because what Mater claimed about the timing of day/night phases and the options and stuff didn't seem to disrupt Oliverz's situation.  (Neither of them are reacting the way I would be had I been targetted by that.  That's the equivalent of a somewhat more restrained arsonist that MAY leave the target still able to vote as far as I evaluate it, I cannot express how much I won't be able to express if that ability lands on someone I consider extremely likely to be town and the fact the targeting is reasonable (In that a vig killing or a town arsonist priming picks their top scum sus and that's the best can be done; those targets are 'defined okay' if they're reasonable to sus to that level) + Mater helped mark conf anti-town 4mask) but...

well, the level of calm about that extortion from Max and Oliverz both is surprising to me.  I'm about 'as concerned' about an arsonist as I am that potential extortion chain just growing onwards.  Still, that one's arguably in SOME of Max's control if it puts Max under that level of threat or not.  Tric's oddly calm about it too, since Tric's invested action is potentially at risk too.

Max also claims to be playing a support role this game, I imagine that's not really ideal in Max's view either.  So, I do not envy him at all this game, but I see in him someone who is not visibly moving against town.  He's also telegraphing big things he might do and allowing everyone to prep for and consider massive mech changes, and in the case of 'skip a night' made sure I specifically was aware of at least one major mech issue there (elim twice, while seeing the flip in between - hehe and having time to discuss, nice!) with loads of time to think about.  This is decent 'Imp management' but it's also a decently townie way to handle this stuff, including the non-specific 'heads up' of the skipped/delayed day coming.

So I can see Max as possibly town.  Mater as possibly town.  Toons as possibly town (the targeted laugh and what that exactly means, priming or not, and what is Toons hiding, no clue there at all).  Inspection-wise, I sure am in a target-rich environment.

huge Imp wordfest as usual

Calm? I am calm about the extortion?
Didnt You criticize me about my strong focus on me being extorted and blackmailed? Quite some people did...

[ToonyMan]

That's not the sort of response I'd expect Oliver. Well, unless you and Fal are teamed so you don't want any sort of discussion. Easier to call me the crazy one than potentially get the vote back on Fal from participating.

What would a Oliverz/FoU team do here you think?

[ToonyMan]

@Oliverz:
Please post reads of each player. The day end is approaching...

[Oliverz144]

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IMP,
I claimed what i did.
N1 i copped You.
N2 i forgot to act.
Are you purposefully forgetting this?

Not even accidentally forgetting it, buddy bud!  It's not something I forgot or didn't talk about, so I know you're not reading at least me very close/well/much OR you're just trying to manipulate in your response.

I'm saying it's hard to say this is highly pro-town and super believable and 100% reason we should elim someone else today.  You could be lying anti-town with play like everything you're doing and it's hard to tell.  I can fight to save some people with sus but I'm going to be honest unless townie lying this game, and I have no townie reason to lie about you at this time.  So you're on your own, I've literally said everything useful I can about you, which you don't seem to be reading much of.

Y'know who doesn't need to read much?  Scum.  they just gotta get a good-for-their-team outcome.  Some scum like to read and read it all anyway.  Most town kinda needs to read and participate a lot.  They gotta find the bad guys.

T(oony)m(an)

OMG thanks Tric, 'TM' is now again this-game banned from my vocab.  Up to speed, thanks!  Any and ALL previous use of it this game is TricMagic.  I wondered why I had this 'note to self' that I was to call him Toons, period.  Now I know why!

Btw, i wonder how CM still tries to scumpaint me for him not being able to steal a role from me yet fully accepts the wolfkey claim of roleblocks and redirects...

Yep, however that Wolfkey claim is oddly timed, oddly pre-prepared with a request about inspect results, and perfectly explains everything involving CM and others that has been claimed at the time it was said.

It could be true or as fake as the day is long.  And now Wolfkey's not talking at all.  I think most of us are aware of this, glad you noticed some or all of it too.

But more the fact that Mind Control is something Imp as the Butler of Butlers had to deal with. Eh..

Yeah but that's not why I'm concerned about it this game.  From FoU - claim dunno why of False Hydra - if true the False Hydra's mind control is MASS MIND CONTROL and all about killing anyone who would hurt the hydra, about making people forget the victims of the hydra (hrm, maybe FoU could do stuff to people who took dead folks abilities - but FoU didn't claim that - but that could be a real townie thing if so since we haven't seen a town flip yet or heard a town claim yet of an ability that takes from the dead for us - but FoU didn't claim that at all!) and about making people as a group help the false hydra a LOT without really understanding what they're doing.

It's way more scary if it's that level of mind control and that's what the theme is.

If someone's forced to target me I can potentially clear them with an inspect, and maybe get enough info to catch if they're something like my Butler character that is vulnerable to being controled by 1 other person.  Maybe.  Have to see the info I get and if that even exists in the game.

 

Okay here's the Rundown:
D1:
- Imp claims fruit vendor and asks people to target them
- Half the town is focused on Magma Mater
- Fallacy begins his crusade against Max
- No one has any real leads at the end of D1, so the decision is made not to lynch

N1:
- Max uses an ability to skip D2
- I track CM but get bussed to MM, I see them visit Oliverz
- CM attempts to steal an ability from MM but gets bussed to themself
- MM uses their ability on Oliverz
- Wolfkey busses CM and MM
- Tric gives Max an ability that he says would win the game for scum
- Fallacy claims he is unable to act due to a lack of deaths
- Imp gives 4mask an ability and checks their alignment, they come up as scum
- VermilionSkies uses a bodyguard-like ability on Imp, and eats the NK
- Oliverz targeted Imp with an ability N1, but didn't say what kind, only that it gave them a result and allowed them to evolve
-4mask never claimed their N1 action

N2:
- I tracked AP and saw them visit me
- Wolfkey roleblocked CM
- CM attempted to steal from Oliverz but failed due to the roleblock
- MM attempted to extort an ability from Max
- 4mask claimed to have tracked me to AP
- Tric learns one of Wolfkey's abilities and learns about his business
- Imp gives an ability to VermilionSkies and check their alignment. They show as town
- VermilionSkies uses their bg ability on Imp again, and eats the NK again
- Max, Fallacy, and Oliverz all claim that they didn't act N2

D2:
- People claim their night actions
- Eventually Imp claims their inspect result on 4mask
- 4mask claims miller in response
- Wagon starts forming on 4mask
- Fallacy's D2 is best described by this post
- Imp is worried that AP may be an arsonist
- 4mask gets lynched, they flip maf

That's the gist of what's happened, someone let me know if I've left out something important

yeah i mixed that up with JuiceBox i guess, sorry

[Oliverz144]

@Oliverz:
Please post reads of each player. The day end is approaching...

im gonna do so thank You for the heads up =)

[Magma Mater]

And fullclaim.

[TricMagic]

Mechanically Wolf bussed Crystal, which caused Crystals action to bounce back on to them. Followed by blocking Crystal. So it would have to be those two as a team alongside 4mask. Being honest don't really think it's the case.

Oliver can't fullclaim cause I'd see an inconsistency and just murder them. That's exactly the sort of situation my power comes in handy. If they fullclaim my action tonight is 100% going to be checking that claim.

Two teams makes more sense to me than 3 mafia, even if the latter could be true. Or even SK. Someone with an alignment investigation should check wolf though.

[Magma Mater]

Mechanically Wolf bussed Crystal, which caused Crystals action to bounce back on to them. Followed by blocking Crystal. So it would have to be those two as a team alongside 4mask. Being honest don't really think it's the case.

Oliver can't fullclaim cause I'd see an inconsistency and just murder them. That's exactly the sort of situation my power comes in handy. If they fullclaim my action tonight is 100% going to be checking that claim.

Two teams makes more sense to me than 3 mafia, even if the latter could be true. Or even SK. Someone with an alignment investigation should check wolf though.

juicebox also confirms the bus. He tracked Crystalizedmire and received a result on me (I visited Oliverz).

[Elephant Parade]

Votecount
- Crystalizedmire: (0)
- FallacyofUrist: ToonyMan, Maximum Spin, Crystalizedmire (3)
- Imp: (0)
- juicebox: (0)
- Magma Mater: (0)
- Maximum Spin: FallacyofUrist (1)
+ Oliverz144: Magma Mater, juicebox, TricMagic, VermillionSkies (4)
- ToonyMan: (0)
- TricMagic: Oliverz144 (1)
- VermilionSkies: (0)
- Wolfkey: Imp (1)

- No Lynch: (0)

Not Voting: Wolfkey (1)

With 11 votes in play, it’s 6 to hammer.

Day 4 will end Friday at 9:00 PM PST (11 hours and 19 minutes from now).

[Magma Mater]

Remaining scum are probably Oliverz and TricMagic. The recent cross-vote might be the most obvious last-ditch distancing attempt I've ever seen.
Y'know, assuming they're both mafia.