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« Reply #285 on: March 28, 2024, 06:31:53 pm »

Didn't get any ideas on what to get from revised blubber/Ichor other than whale oil as presented, so I shall join the bandwagon
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« Reply #286 on: March 31, 2024, 01:59:59 am »

Preliminary Turn 4 -Revision Phase

Proposal: The Age of Refinement
Difficulty: Trivial
Result: (6+3)+3=12, Unexpected Boon

Ichor has existed for, well, for as long as anyone would define the north as having civilized society. Indeed, these jars of energy have persisted through ages of blood, violence, strife, and turmoil. Now, with an age of war seemingly on the horizon once more, Ichor can finally bear witness to its own growth and experience the realization of its own potential in this Age of Refinement.

Refined Ichor is a highly stable, very potent source of cetrical energy storage created through the use of blubber refined into whale oil as opposed to the raw blubber itself. Refined Ichor is a mildly disgusting yellow color when uncharged, and glows with a white-yellow light when energized. Refined Ichor could power greater lengths of the Red Line over longer periods of time and with less volume taken up by fuel, resulting in a decrease in the fuel requirements for waystations and allowed additional amenities that improved quality of work and life for those who worked there or used them regularly.

Waystations were transformed entirely into rest areas and local trade centers once their power responsibilities were entirely obsoleted by the evolution of the Jar itself and the invention of the Integrated Cetric Array.

Instead of using jars with open lids that permit spillage and contamination while in use, steel cylinders with an interior lead lining were filled with Refined Ichor. Both ends of the “jar” are covered, but the top has a small hinged flap held shut with a small spring that can be opened with a little bit of pressure. This flap is used to fill, empty, or recharge the jars, and also allows the Conductor Pin access to that sweet, sweet fuel. The bottom is threaded externally akin to an interrupted screw.

Integrated Cetric Arrays house a number of cylinders based on the requirements of the device(s) it’s powering, with the cylinders secured via the interrupted screw. Conductor pins are the piece of metal that gets pushed into the top flap when the ICA is turned on, and are removed once cetricity is no longer required. Each array uses a different method to manipulate the pins based on the design of the equipment being connected.

The first Arrays, as some naming conventions of the pieces may suggest, were installed on Chain Carts. Cetric Chains were entirely capable of levitating on the rail under their own power, but still required manual labor for braking and ascent. Cetric Chain Arrays were specifically modified to alternate the amount of active cylinders at any moment. Once started, the Alternator was able to reposition conductor pins in a cycle with no further input. This Alternating Current created a slight wobble in the magnetic field of the orichalcum rail, allowing the Chain Carts to effectively surf on the cresting cetric waves, as it were, pushing them along the rail. The Conductors and Waystations were both made entirely unnecessary for the transport of goods and people along the Red Lines (now known as the AC Expressway) thanks to the ICA. This was welcomed by The Illuminators, as they saw themselves as bringers of knowledge, not keepers of it, and so they were able to go forth and integrate themselves elsewhere in the Confederacy.

Integrated Cetric Arrays, ICAs, or Arrays, have no associated cost and will be used as a technological stand-in for your engine tech until you do otherwise.   

Cetric Chains have been modernized as a result (some would say unexpected) of the introduction of the ICA (as in they now actually work like trains and not donkey wagons).


The following is a summation of world events and, while it will provide context for the coming war and information on your foes, is not required reading in the slightest. Anything of use is reflected in the Armory.




And so, when one man shot another man from across a river, it wasn’t just a single event happening in a vacuum. The Twelve Bays Confederacy was an empire built on blood and sacrifice that had been saved by a light piercing the darkness all throughout, whether metaphorically or literally, even if they had problems finding their true path out of the shadows. Their struggle was violent and terrible, but they rose from the ashes of Chaos and Discord in order to survive and thrive like none could have expected. Allowing darkness to fall over them once more would be unforgivable. The Cargonian Empire danced with the Shadows, embraced Chaos and Discord, and thrived for it. The eclipsing of The Blinding Light allows them to live their true lives, be their true selves, see their true sight. To overpower the shadows, to Blind an Eye once more, was a fate worse than death. The Cargonian Empire could not allow the embodiment of their oppression the opportunity to overpower them.


When Toll killed Kapranos, the Light had reached out and Silenced a Voice forever, an Eye Blinded, a Road Left Unwalked. It was no mere killing, but an event representing the greatest fears deeply ingrained in the Beeple.

But the World Tour was no innocent party, either. While they may have seen themselves acting with good intentions, the reception of their constant riverside performances was less than welcome. For years, in what some would consider an act of psychological warfare, musicians from the south performed bastardized and poorly translated covers of popular music from the north and blasted it with reckless abandon. It was an annoyance, and ultimately harmless, but it offered the fringes of the Confederacy a view of the chaos that always loomed nearby. Toll’s loss of a patient and decades of research was representative of the true dangers posed by the south, so even if the shooting of Kapranos was accidental, many Northerners saw it as a justified killing.

So it was no surprise to see The Twelve Bays Confederacy extending The Red Lines as far south as they could, using their Cetric Chains (that is, carts traveling along a rail together, connected like a chain, now empowering rails on their own thanks to Integrated Cetric Arrays) [it’s a train with an electric cetric engine] to bring the manpower and materiel they’d need in order to prepare for a final showdown against the encroaching Shadows.

It was also of no surprise to see lines of lizards using the extensive road network to bring the manpower and materiel they’d need in order to prepare for a final showdown against the oppressive Light.


Preliminary Turn 5 - Design Phase

The War To End All Wars is upon you. During this design phase you will be pushing forward two proposals, and will have two votes to use in your votebox accordingly. These designs will be directly reflected in your proper Armory. If one side makes something necessary for the final armory and the other doesn’t, a modernized rifle for example, the side without the modernized rifle will have their weapon choice be balanced against the created rifle while the other team will get a choice to replace their rifle decision based on what they don’t have but will need and the rifleless team has already.

In short, design what you want, don’t worry about the armory decision happening during the Strategy Phase. We’ll go over that there and everything should be fine.

The prompt for this turn is simple:

Make two designs.

Good Luck.

Oh, you’ll also notice a Full Armory and a Prelim Armory. The Full Armory is the one going forward into the game, so only uses extant designs that are directly applicable. Anything not included is being used to determine various factors for the armory decision during the strategy phase, so don’t be worried if something is absent in one and not the other. The Prelim Armory is also going to remain unused and unmodified going forward so we can look back on it all nice-like once it serves no purpose after the Designs and Revisions.

Spoiler: Full Armory (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Legacy Armory (click to show/hide)

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« Reply #287 on: March 31, 2024, 08:25:44 am »

The ChiTen Project
Spoiler: Motivation (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: It (click to show/hide)

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Chichictlapanqui Tenacayo (Metallized Flesh), commonly shortened to ChiTen, is the newfangled name for an oldfangled concept- that of augmenting the human body with implants based on whale-stuff. These days, the implants are largely made of Orichalcum.
The ChiTen-Power Law states that the more ChiTen a person has, the more powerful all their ChiTen will become. That is to say, a ChiTenal with ChiTen legs (and no other implants) might be able to run at 20km/h; by adding ChiTen arms, they would be able to run 25km/h, despite making no changes to the leg implants. Why does this happen? Where does that extra power come from? That's due to [REDACTED] (see above).
There is a sort of corollary law. The ChiTen-Madness Law, aka 'going cetrimental'. The more ChiTen one has, the more likely it becomes that one will... succumb to 'the voice of the machine'. In the best case, this results in temporary madness, followed by forced recruitment into the service of some sort of government office responsible for, uh, 'special communications'. In the worst case, this results in indiscriminate homicidal fury. In a... medium case, this results in the afflicted seeming totally fine, but taking some time off to visit the ocean, then walking into the sea and never being seen again.

While near limitless combinations are in principle possible, in practice ChiTenal Warriors will come in one of three configurations.
-Just Legs: Augmented or prosthetic legs, enabling the ChiTenal to run faster and jump further than any unaugmented human.
-Just Arms: Augmented or prosthetic arms, enabling the ChiTenal to wield heavier weapons with greater accuracy, not to mention the weapons built in to the arms themselves (blades, Ichor clubs, or whalelock pistols)
-Arms N Legs: Having both sets of limbs augmented makes for even greater speed and strength- at the cost of increased risk of ChiTenal Madness, especially during high-stress situations.
All three configurations include Serum Dispensers; injection ports, where easily replaced vials of serums can be administered to the body in controlled dosages. These include refined versions of most Wovenmen alchemical concoctions- stamina-boosting, reflex-enhancing, agility-increasing.
Rumours of the use of 'Brain Pins' to further augment the strength of ChiTen implants are just that, and should not be taken seriously.

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« Reply #288 on: March 31, 2024, 08:52:20 am »

Seeking the Sky
The advent of the ICA motor was a revolution of revolution. It enabled many incredible things that were impossible before. The people of Monsoon Point had long held a complicated relationship with the sky above them. They once used Skyfeeders to launch pieces of themselves up to the sky to save themselves. Even as the light of innovation spread and the darkness of the thirsting wars receded the people of Monsoon Point never stopped looking toward the sky. There were many attempts to ascend and reach it; some were wacky and tacky-looking gliders that would drop to the ground as soon as they were launched from the top of a Ziggawatt, some used Orichacum to try and push them upwards, other more recent attempts tried replicating birds and used the ICA to flap a pair of fabric wings. Attempt after attempt failed, but never stopped.

Eventually, there was an attempt that worked. Refined from a hundred failures. Once there was one success there was a rapid series of iterations followed until there was an actual usable aircraft. It was a simple and light wooden frame covered by a thin layer of Orichacum foil and had a tail for stability. It had four wings, two on each side that formed a vague X shape centered on the engine. The engine was an ICA motor that powered a forward-mounted prop that pulled the aircraft forward.

Orichacum's high conductivity and low resistance enabled it to protect the small aircraft from lightning strikes. In fact, the makers of the Skyseeker found a way to recharge the ICA off of lightning strikes. This meant the Skyseeker could fly further and longer allowing its pilots the privilege of glimpsing the shining sun above the clouds.

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« Reply #289 on: March 31, 2024, 06:38:10 pm »

Chargers

With Lightning Blubber and Ichor together, a new idea is studied. The explosive electrically-detonated blubber was of great potential use in the war department. They just needed to figure out how to get an electrical charge to it safely and repetitively. Then came along the ICA, an ichor-using engine that could produce energy, and electrical arcs from said energy. Small miniaturized versions of these could make for the perfect activation system for detonating Blubber, throwing and potentially electrifying any projectile shot out of a barrel. It could be a revolution for ranged combat, able to sling projectiles faster than one can see with their own eyes.

Chargers are what all ICA-Blubber based weaponry would be named, due to the ICA "charging" the blubber with electricity to cause detonation and fire the projectile. Large artillery pieces using full scale ICAs are the easy part, but miniaturizing them for use in infantry-scale weapons may prove a challenge, but would be revolutionary.

Compared to older Whalelock Technology, instead of using a large amount of power to throw projectiles along a length of Orichalcum rail, it uses but a simple spark of electricity to detonate a Lightning Blubber cartridge and send the projectile flying at near the same speeds. Reducing time to reload and fire, barrel length, weight, and materials used while also allowing for an actual magazine of Lightning Blubber Cartridges and the potential to electrify the shell/bullet. They can also scale all the way from large artillery pieces to smaller rifle-like weaponry easier than Whalelocks due to the miniturization of the ICA, and therefore LBCs (Lightning Blubber Cartidges). It could potentially even make magazine-fed cannons and mortars possible.
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« Reply #290 on: March 31, 2024, 08:07:27 pm »

Cetric Wave Whalelocks

The discovery of ICA's phenomenon of creating magnetic waves was quickly recognized by many military inventors that it could give the solution to fix the inherent problems of whalelock small arms and artillery in its excessive weight and power draw for result that began being beaten out by experiments with chemical based propellants. What was settled on is a standard pattern of making a barrel and breach made of non-magnetic copper and brass with the a small portion of the breach and segments of the barrel wrapped in orichalcum wires connected to an ICA, when activated (usually by a trigger pull) the ICA alternates its output along the different segments of wire causing a constant 'wave' to push the projectile down the barrel accelerating it to greater speeds than a normal whalelock weapon. This system able to be sized up or down for artillery and small arms.

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« Reply #291 on: April 01, 2024, 10:27:16 am »

Cetric Whalelock Pistol Mk. 12 "Lightbay"
What could be called the culmination of whalelock development started when it was discovered orichalcum had strange properties when split.

Quote from: Quote from: Cetromagnetic Properties of Whale-Derived Materials, 2nd Edition, by Abundant Papers
     
"Just as splitting a magnet in half between its north and south poles only results in two new bipolar magnets, a similar phenomenon occurs in orichalcum. A body of cast orichalcum, split into multiple pieces after solidification, retains a material "memory" of its former wholeness. The reasons for this are still under wide debate [...]"

      "Furthermore, arranging multiple such pieces of so-called "entangled" orichalcum in space and briefly energizing them in a connected circuit encodes that spatial position into the orichalcum's internal electric field. Applying a current to any one of the newly "pinned" pieces of orichalcum will cause the whole array of pieces to return to their original configuration as though a rigid connection existed between them."

     "The strength of the connection between these pieces is dependent on the magnitude of the provided current. A weaker current results in a less rigid connection, such that even small outside forces might dislodge the pinned orichalcum from its position and cause a structural failure. Intuitively, this means the effect only lasts so long as one or more entangled piece is powered. Because this effect relies on the field being able to induce a charge among all linked components, a linkage cannot be maintained at an indefinite distance, and maintaining a greater separation without failure requires more power."

Using this Whalelock development exploded. Using orichalcum rails under this effect create a gun that was not only long lasting, but capable of far more force to the bullet when lit. Combined with the use of Refined Ichor bullets in the gun's holster,(refered to as RI Ammo) the pin would complete a circuit

The Mark 12 Pistol is comprised of two linked rails. The stock would have ammo be placed in which would be pushed into the charge chamber. The pin is pulled, and the ammo is launched out, including the refined amber. This charge allows the magnetic field to be powered even after leaving the gun, pushing through the air resistance. And the charge relocks the rails, each acting to prevent the other from being moved out of position. A sidearm with great penetrative power, though once the ammo's charge is expended it's effectiveness falls off quickly.
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« Reply #292 on: April 01, 2024, 02:32:57 pm »

Posting a proposal for a ship

Leviathan

After ages of rafts, canoes and wooden ships, the Leviathan is our first foray into the shipbuilding of the future. The revolution is twofold:

First of all, the hull construction is now fully metal, mostly bronze with Orichalcum highlights and structural steel strategically placed far enough from orichalcum powered machinery. The enclosed hull provides protection from all sides and it can swim almost completely submerged without flooding.

Secondly, the propulsion. Gone are the days of oars or relying on fickle winds, the age of industry brings with it machine power, the only matter is how exactly to use it. And inspiration comes of course from the animals that long guided us: the mighty whales, leviathans of the sea. The ship is moved by a mighty tail and 2 stabilizing fins providing steady and silent motion.

The tail and fins are actuated by a new kind of motor exploiting a long known but never utilized property of Orichalcum, discovered by Chain operators and maintenance technicians: When a single piece of orichalcum or multiple electrically connected pieces of orichalcum are energized and then broken/separated (by, say, a Chain), if any one piece of it is energized again then it tries to return to the original configuration with a force proportional to the current applied. In its application as motor for the metal limbs, several sets of pairs of entangled orichalcum rods are placed where muscles would be on each side of a joint. Those can be energized in different number and intensity much like a muscle would be with strength and precision.

The Leviathan is a metal hulled ship vaguely shaped like a whale, travelling low on the water and using a mechanical tail and fins to provide locomotion. It has a main large scale turret and several emplacements for smaller weapons to provide cover, in addition to a sturdy bow. It is clad in bronze and orichalcum.

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« Reply #293 on: April 02, 2024, 01:05:11 pm »

An alternative "ship".

Turtilus
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One of the things the Industrial Age brought us is motorised watercraft. From oars or sails to paddlewheels or propellers. Great stuff. But can it stand up to the rigours of war?

No sense in risking it. These new-fangled technologies are fine in the civilian sector, but in the military we need tried-and-true methods. Not back to sails and oars, no. Further back! To the oldest armoured thing to ever traverse the rivers!

Turtles!

The Turtilus is is our first militsrised watercraft, designed for navigating the myriad rivers and lakes of the continent. Vaguely reminiscent of the Turtle that prompted its name, it has a round, armoured central  compartment (providing space for an infantry detachment or the ammunition and mechanisms for a dorsal turret), plus a forward cockpit (with embedded suppeot weapon), four paddle-shaped limbs and a tail.

Built of bronze and steel, the upper shell of the vehicle is domed and thus should be proof against most forms of man-portable weapons fire, especially as only the upper portion will be above the waterline during typical operations. Naturally, this portion is embossed and engraved with turtle shell patterns.

The truly innovative development is the use of "Entanglement Orichalcum". Initially considered a parlor trick, this phenomenon causes two (or more) pieces of Orichalcum that were energised together and then separated to seek to return to their initial positions when power is reapplied. This allows us to create a number of Entangled rods where a Turtle's muscles would be, and thus drive the motion  of the flippers and tail to swim silently through the waters, and even to drag the vehicle on to the shore to aid (dis)embarkation and provide fire support.
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« Reply #294 on: April 02, 2024, 05:22:24 pm »

Quote from: One Brain Cellbox
The ChiTen Project (1): TricMagic
Seeking the Sky ():
Chargers ():
Cetric Wave Whalelocks ():
CW Pistol Mk. 12 "Lightbay" (1): TricMagic
Leviathan ():
Turtilus ():

My arguments against boats for guns is that a good basic sidearm is TR12. For whatever reason pistols never miss.
That said, bote.
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« Reply #295 on: April 02, 2024, 07:25:37 pm »

Quote from: One Brain Cellbox
The ChiTen Project (1): TricMagic
Seeking the Sky ():
Chargers (1): Oakrose905
Cetric Wave Whalelocks ():
CW Pistol Mk. 12 "Lightbay" (1): TricMagic
Leviathan ():
Turtilus (1): Oakrose905

River boat means we have funny amphibious operations, and vietnam-style water patrols. Also chargers go bang lol.
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« Reply #296 on: April 02, 2024, 08:30:15 pm »

48 Hours before we move on.

Just in case anyone wasn't in the discord and I missed that, Bay12's voting has been determining when the 48 hour timer starts because you guys are predictable and it kicks everyone's ass into gear.

Now the shoe is on the other foot. Congrats!
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« Reply #297 on: April 02, 2024, 10:24:38 pm »

Quote from: One Brain Cellbox
The ChiTen Project (1): TricMagic
Seeking the Sky (1): TCk
Chargers (1): Oakrose905
Cetric Wave Whalelocks ():
CW Pistol Mk. 12 "Lightbay" (1): TricMagic
Leviathan ():
Turtilus (2): Oakrose905, TCk

bote and plane
air and water
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« Reply #298 on: April 03, 2024, 03:20:16 am »

All aboard.

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The ChiTen Project (2): TricMagic, Kashyyk
Seeking the Sky (1): TCk
Chargers (1): Oakrose905
Cetric Wave Whalelocks ():
CW Pistol Mk. 12 "Lightbay" (1): TricMagic
Leviathan ():
Turtilus (3): Oakrose905, TCk, Kashyyk
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« Reply #299 on: April 03, 2024, 04:16:12 am »

Quote from: One Brain Cellbox
The ChiTen Project (3): TricMagic, Kashyyk, NUKE9.13
Seeking the Sky (1): TCk
Chargers (1): Oakrose905
Cetric Wave Whalelocks ():
CW Pistol Mk. 12 "Lightbay" (1): TricMagic
Leviathan ():
Turtilus (4): Oakrose905, TCk, Kashyyk, NUKE9.13
Borgs and boats.

Currently, our cyborg tech is Wovenmen. That is, extremely expensive, not very effective. There's a lot of room to improve, and we have Toll's notes and Mutaxol to do it with. Also probably maybe hopefully a +1 for tying in eldritch forces? Even with all that, the last attempt at this was Impossible, so there might still be a penalty to the roll. But that's also a reason to do it now- better to front-load the hard stuff (since there are no pressing concerns at the moment, this is the time for radical innovation that we can build on once the fighting starts). We're almost certainly going to do something like this eventually either way, given the amount of precursor work we have.

As the more water-aligned faction, it would be downright shameful if we didn't show up to the fight with a fancy boat of some kind. More seriously, 5/9 regions overall, and 3/3 regions where the fighting starts, feature significant rivers, so riverine combat is going to be relevant. I'm not totally sold on the whole Entwined Ore thing, but I can't really think of an alternative right now.
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