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Author Topic: Bay12 v. Black Pants Legion Great War Arms Race (Prelim 5 Design)  (Read 15076 times)

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Re: Bay12 v. Black Pants Legion Great War Arms Race (Prelim 3 Design)
« Reply #195 on: March 12, 2024, 08:01:53 pm »

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Tewwibwe cuwse (U)w(U):
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Implantation and Prosthesis: ():
The Cetrical Revolution (1): Doomblade
Whalelock Rifle: (1): Maxim
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« Reply #196 on: March 12, 2024, 08:39:20 pm »

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« Reply #197 on: March 13, 2024, 01:36:36 am »

I reckon we should advance prosthetics in the revision (fixing the Wovenmen, essentially), and use our design to break into a new field.
Motors are a bit bland to my taste, not to mention MoP has all-but vetoed the Cetrical Revolution proposal as it is now.
Railguns are something we will want in the game proper, so laying the foundations now will be useful. I expect it to be difficult, but we have a guaranteed 12, so we definitely don't want something easier than Normal.
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Tewwibwe cuwse (U)w(U):
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Implantation and Prosthesis: ():
The Cetrical Revolution (1): Doomblade
Whalelock Rifle: (3): Maxim, Jerick, NUKE9.13
Liesel limbs (1): TricMagic
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« Reply #198 on: March 13, 2024, 06:57:23 am »

I do want the electric motors, but will adjust to current conditions for now until the design is updated.

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Tewwibwe cuwse (U)w(U):
medics ():
Implantation and Prosthesis: ():
The Cetrical Revolution ():
Whalelock Rifle: (4): Maxim, Jerick, NUKE9.13, Doomblade
Liesel limbs (1): TricMagic
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In any case it would be a battle of critical thinking and I refuse to fight an unarmed individual.
One mustn't stare into the pathos, lest one become Pathos.

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« Reply #199 on: March 13, 2024, 09:11:05 am »

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The Cetrical Revolution
Towers were built in this era, capable of generating cetricity much as whales do. The heart of a tower was made using whale baleen as the power source, bones mixed with copper to direct that power, while skins and lead were used to help prevent overflow. They were enshrined near the top and fed lightning to help keep up a large flow of production. This cetricity would be the backbone of many advancements going forward, and they shone with light at night.

(Welcome to the Cetrical Revolution.)
Spoiler: Lore (click to show/hide)

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Tewwibwe cuwse (U)w(U):
medics ():
Implantation and Prosthesis: ():
The Cetrical Revolution (1): TricMagic
Whalelock Rifle: (4): Maxim, Jerick, NUKE9.13, Doomblade
Liesel limbs ():
Do we want oil or electric going into the future. Clean energy for me. Viva la cetric!
« Last Edit: March 13, 2024, 09:40:13 am by TricMagic »
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« Reply #200 on: March 13, 2024, 11:10:13 am »

Tric suggested a larger cannon-railgun would be easier than the man-portable version. While I prefer the rifle version, here's a cannon version.



Whalelock Cannon
Zappo-Tech. This is the name given to the many cetricity-utilising devices that were created by early-modern Twelve-Bay scientists.
For many, the biggest Zappo-Tech breakthrough was the Whalelock Cannon. Though termed a cannon at the time, it would later be referred to as a railgun. Two rails (made from treated whalebone) propelled an iron projectile to considerable speeds- greatly exceeding that of a ball shot from a gunpowder cannon. Power was provided by a canister of Ichor. Another benefit over a gunpowder cannon was the lack of a heavy barrel, making a Whalelock Cannon easier to move around (although they still required a carriage, usually pulled by horses).
Though contemporaneous with early gunpowder weaponry, it had its own niche- gunpowder cannons still found some use as cheaper, 'short range' artillery, with Whalelocks reserved for long-range 'sniping'. It is worth noting that, while impressive at the time, early Whalelocks were very primitive, and 'long-range sniping' generally did not extend over the horizon. This was both due to a lack of precision engineering and the limitations of the materials used.

[See Whalelock Rifle for lore]
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« Reply #201 on: March 14, 2024, 02:17:41 am »

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Tewwibwe cuwse (U)w(U):
medics ():
Implantation and Prosthesis: ():
The Cetrical Revolution (1): TricMagic
Whalelock Rifle: (5): Maxim, Jerick, NUKE9.13, Doomblade,    Quarque
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« Reply #202 on: March 14, 2024, 01:39:19 pm »

This post contains lore for entertainment purposes only. It is not required reading. Not that any lore is required reading, but this is extra not required.

I mention the Twelve Guarantees in the lore of the Whalelock Rifle post. The idea is that it was a Magna Carta-esque proto-constitution, with the first version having twelve clauses, hence the name (and, uh, in case it isn't obvious, it's a reference to the fact that we're guaranteed to roll a 12 this turn).
Anyway, I was thinking about what the actual contents would be. I've put together a list, although I haven't given it that much thought, so don't take this as set in stone or anything.
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« Reply #203 on: March 14, 2024, 01:54:52 pm »

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Tewwibwe cuwse (U)w(U):
medics ():
Implantation and Prosthesis: ():
The Cetrical Revolution (1): TricMagic
Whalelock Rifle: (4): Maxim, Jerick, NUKE9.13, Quarque
Liesel limbs ():
Whalelock Cannon (1): Doomblade
Switching because i prefer cannon flavor, and also difficulty reasons.
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In any case it would be a battle of critical thinking and I refuse to fight an unarmed individual.
One mustn't stare into the pathos, lest one become Pathos.

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Re: Bay12 v. Black Pants Legion Great War Arms Race (Prelim 3 Design)
« Reply #204 on: March 14, 2024, 02:02:43 pm »

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Tewwibwe cuwse (U)w(U):
medics ():
Implantation and Prosthesis: ():
The Cetrical Revolution (0):
Whalelock Rifle: (4): Maxim, Jerick, NUKE9.13, Quarque
Liesel limbs ():
Whalelock Cannon (2): Doomblade, TricMagic
Switching because i prefer cannon flavor, and also difficulty reasons.
Same on difficulty. And pulling a zap cannon around is fun. The worlds first mobilized artillery.(Even if it's just a metal ball.)
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« Reply #205 on: March 14, 2024, 03:11:42 pm »

Powder Miner was concerned that having a hybrid armoury of railguns and gunpowder could get messy, that our attention would get split, or more likely that we'd simply not do much with gunpowder. Thus, a version of the whalelock that phases out gunpowder weaponry:

Whalelock Rifle (supplant gunpowder edition)
Zappo-Tech. This is the name given to the many cetricity-utilising devices that were created by early-modern Twelve-Bay scientists.
For many, the biggest Zappo-Tech breakthrough was the Whalelock Rifle. Though termed a rifle at the time, due to its accuracy, it would later be referred to as a railgun. Two rails (made from treated whalebone) propelled an iron projectile to considerable speeds- greatly exceeding that of a musket-ball. Power was provided by a canister of Ichor. Though it could be carried by a single soldier, it was quite bulky, therefore was typically mounted on a bipod when in use.
Though contemporaneous with early gunpowder weaponry, it initially had its own niche- too expensive (and bulky) to arm every soldier with, but more accurate at long range. It is worth noting that, while impressive at the time, the first Whalelocks were very primitive, and 'more accurate at long range' meant 'could conceivably hit a target at 400 meters'.
Thus, armies of the Twelve Bay Republican Theocracy dabbled in gunpowder-armed troops, the technology having been introduced from abroad. However, as time went on and the Whalelock became more compact, muskets began to get phased out. Come the age of pike-and-shot, the 'shot' was almost éxclusively Whalelocks.

[See Whalelock Rifle for lore]
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Re: Bay12 v. Black Pants Legion Great War Arms Race (Prelim 3 Design)
« Reply #206 on: March 14, 2024, 03:22:00 pm »

Quote from: Zappbox
Tewwibwe cuwse (U)w(U):
medics ():
Implantation and Prosthesis: ():
The Cetrical Revolution (0):
Whalelock Rifle: (4): Maxim, Jerick, NUKE9.13, Quarque
Liesel limbs ():
Whalelock Cannon (2): Doomblade, TricMagic
Whalelock Rifle (supplant gunpowder edition) (1): Powder Miner
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« Reply #207 on: March 14, 2024, 03:25:24 pm »

Quote from: Zappbox
Tewwibwe cuwse (U)w(U):
medics ():
Implantation and Prosthesis: ():
The Cetrical Revolution (0):
Whalelock Rifle: (4): Maxim, Jerick, NUKE9.13, Quarque
Liesel limbs ():
Whalelock Cannon (2): Doomblade,
Whalelock Rifle (supplant gunpowder edition) (1): Powder Miner, TricMagic
I feel this will be silly.
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« Reply #208 on: March 14, 2024, 03:28:46 pm »

I'm not locked in to this- I wouldn't mind hybrid-, but I think Powder's arguments add up to making this my slightly preferred option.
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Tewwibwe cuwse (U)w(U):
medics ():
Implantation and Prosthesis: ():
The Cetrical Revolution (0):
Whalelock Rifle: (3): Maxim, Jerick, Quarque
Liesel limbs ():
Whalelock Cannon (2): Doomblade,
Whalelock Rifle (supplant gunpowder edition) (3): Powder Miner, TricMagic, NUKE9.13
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Re: Bay12 v. Black Pants Legion Great War Arms Race (Prelim 3 Design)
« Reply #209 on: March 14, 2024, 04:48:14 pm »

I like the liesel limb more from a lore point of view... but I can't argue with Nuke's reasoning for doing limbs on a revision and rifles on a design. namely, that we can revise limbs even if not as good as a design, so we should use the design for something we can't revise.

Lets go for gunpowderless and see where it takes us.

Quote from: Zappbox
Tewwibwe cuwse (U)w(U):
medics ():
Implantation and Prosthesis: ():
The Cetrical Revolution (0):
Whalelock Rifle: (3): Maxim, Jerick, Quarque
Liesel limbs ():
Whalelock Cannon (2): Doomblade,
Whalelock Rifle (supplant gunpowder edition) (4): Powder Miner, TricMagic, NUKE9.13, Andrea
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