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Re: Bay12 v. Black Pants Legion Great War Arms Race (Prelim 1 Design)
« Reply #105 on: February 20, 2024, 02:04:28 pm »

Did you not read the reason for the kick? (It said it was part of the joke and to come right back)

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Bay12 v. Black Pants Legion Great War Arms Race (Prelim 1 Revision)
« Reply #106 on: February 20, 2024, 09:08:04 pm »

Preliminary Turn 1 Design Phase


Proposal: Lightning Whales
Difficulty: Normal (Note: This is not a good basis to use for estimating difficulty - Bay12's and BPL's were compared to one another to provide a baseline to the baseline by using the baseline proposals and were equivalent)
Result: 2+2=4, Poor


As the tribe migrated north, they were incessantly assaulted by the rains from the sky above and the beasts in the wilds below. They were driven to the northern extreme of the continent in their efforts to find somewhere they could settle down, at least temporarily.

The first Lightning Whale the tribe encountered came in the form of a massive, glimmering collection of broken bones half-buried on the beach. The bones were hastily taken and used to create basic shelter off of the beach, providing some solid cover against the wind and rain that they could lash branches and brush to. The bay the villagers set themselves on was part of a lagoon formed by barrier islands and reefs, with the relatively shallow waters absolutely brimming with life. The tribe soon found themselves capable of braving the storm, and more, sustaining themselves.

The second Lightning Whale encounter came soon afterward as a pod of the whales passed by the lagoon in the distance. The storms seemed to concentrate on the Lightning Whales when they'd surface, lightning arcing between sea and sky until the massive beasts slipped back beneath the waves. It was an awe-inspiring sight.

The third encounter was somewhat more inspiring, and incredibly more painful for everything involved.

During the peak of the stormy season, the seas are high and rough enough to entirely overcome the lagoon's barriers. These windows of time can see Lightning Whales carried into the lagoon where they either get stranded in the shallower waters or manage to follow a deeper channel until they can beach themselves. The tribe, eager to cut into what they saw as a very large fish, approached a still-struggling Lightning Whale. The beached animal, with a bony ridge along the head unlike any the tribe had seen before, was not conjuring lightning from the skies. Instead, as it opened it's massive maw the bristly teeth it used to filter feed crackled and arced lightning violently between them. But still, there was no discharge.

Then the tribe took their crude (for modern tastes) stone tools to the creature's flesh. Once the thick outer hide was hacked through, the wound ruptured and exploded violently, frying the nearby tribesfolk with a devastating chain of lightning. The beast died from the trauma immediately, and the tribe was able to harvest the creature's carcass without further incident. The tribe attempted to wait out the next Lightning Whale (with one pair of forward and one pair of side-facing eyes), but after it died on it's own the meat rapidly became rancid, the bones brittle, the blubber watery. Another enterprising but unfortunate villager confirmed that the Lightning Whales needed to die in some physically traumatic manner in order to leave usable remains.

Willing participants sacrificing themselves to feed the growing tribe quickly informed the rest on how to safely deal with Lightning Whales through their own mistakes. While tools made of Lightning Whalebone did little more to ensure the surge of lightning focused through one person before blasting outward, the hide proved to be marginally useful. Lightning Whaleleather, when wrapped around the handle of the tool used to kill the Lightning Whale, somewhat reduced the chances that the wielder would die and limited the reach of further discharge. They also learned not to stand in the lagoon and to try to dry themselves as much as possible before making their attempt.

The Ritual of Harvest evolved from these practices as the tribal society developed further, with the WhaleSlayer being considered the most highly regarded position in the entire process. Those who survived the ritual were taken care of for the rest of their (often poor-quality) lives. Due to the method of hunting (waiting for the weather to do all the work for you), Rituals of Harvest occur very infrequently, making Lightning Whales and their various "products" [Very Expensive].


Were the villagers able to head out into deeper waters and observe the Lightning Whales, they would have been able to watch them use the discharge from their teeth bristles to stun prey as they filter-fed larger fish than one would usually attribute to being filter-food. 

At least, that's the story anyways.


Spoiler: Extra Lore: The Ritual (click to show/hide)

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It is now the Revision Phase, and will continue to address the same prompt. Your design is not your past set in stone - you can utilize your Revision to advance something within the results/armory, but if there is anything specific about the given backstory that the team would like to address or modify, that is also allowed. For example, you could decide the bone housing is a more central pillar of society, or that your hunting methods have always been slightly different than already described. The ultimate timeline of your actions isn't determined until the "combat" phase.

Revisions, unlike Designs, have to be based in previous work in some way. The further the revision strays from the source or the more intense the demands, the higher the difficulty will be.


Spoiler: "Armory" (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Map (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Map Key (click to show/hide)
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Re: Bay12 v. Black Pants Legion Great War Arms Race (Prelim 1 Revision)
« Reply #107 on: February 21, 2024, 04:01:30 am »

Storm Bottlers [Working Title]: The violent death or short painful life before death of those who take the dangerous but necessary title of WhaleSlayer was of note to many in the tribe with its violent death seen as naught but an unfortunate sacrifice for the tribe's survival, the loss of people to the task of harvesting the coveted materials painful whenever some of the other tribes in the region pick a fight for fishing grounds and foraging fields, with rare few that are just out for blood for no reason at all.

As time passed though and fishers brought back stories of encounters with the Lightning Whales out in the deep ocean and experiences with the different properties of the lightning whale grew in understanding, eventually through the hard work of a few enterprising craftspeople, the idea of how to make use of the electrical power for themselves took form. The whale blubber, its sickly blue oil that seemed to be able to hold charge inside the massive interior lightning of the whales, bones that only enhanced the transfer of the transfer of energy and the leather of the beasts that countered its transfer; these items when combined with the natural resources of Monsoon Point lending us tools that allow us to harness the awesome power of the storm.

Through normal trial and error of WhaleSlayers doing their duty it was eventually found that those wielding weapons with hafts of bamboo wrapped in Lightning Whaleleather would more often than not be some of the (un)lucky few survivors of the process. Taking a rather large in diameter piece of dried bamboo, wrapped heavily in whale leather for extra insulation and packed with fresh whale blubber; capped with a piece of bitumen mixed with Whaleleather with a carved whale bone running through it.
These odd contraptions could be used to carefully draw the energy of a living Lightning Whale from its teeth and store it for later use if quickly capped by another bitumen-whaleleather stop over the bone node an assortment of contraptions could be made from this process, though no one yet has managed to make enough of these stormbottles to reduce the immense power held within and violently discharged by the death of the Whale by a margin discernable to the eye; but some think that it will be only a matter of time before that happens.

Of course the ability to store the power of the Whales has lead to a few new innovations from the tribe, examples being stunning spears made in the similar process of the stormbottles but using a much longer and narrower piece of bamboo in the process allowing for a warrior to be equipped with a single use tool holding an electrical charge capable of freezing a grown man in violent spasms allowing for the still very deadly shaft of bamboo to be used to finish him off; another being stormbottles filled with oil from processed whale blubber with its exterior carefully scored so that when thrown it would shatter splashing its conductive oil across anyone nearby allowing anyone caught in the splash to be hit with the stored electrical power of the bottle and also conveniently covering the surroundings in a highly flammable substance.



The final section of how these can be used to make stunning spears and lightning grenades are purely to show how I envision this to be used and if not seen as a legal part of the revision role itself can be edited out or ignored in the final roll of the revision if it wins the vote.

Edited for Grammar.
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« Reply #108 on: February 21, 2024, 09:03:14 am »

Mind against the Storm: There once came a whale slayer who was more ingenious, not seeking glory and health for the tribe, but progress and safety. Rather than an axe, they argued the whale bones be turned into heavy javelins, and threw them at their prey. When they struck, lightning discharged through them, creating a rip in the blubber. In this manner did the whale bleed out, charged with lightning. And when enough were in them, lightning struck down from the heavens and killed it, it's flesh ripped apart through the wound made.

Extracted from this whale was an organ that contained that lightning, and in times of thunderstorms would spark wildly. This metallic organ came to be known as the symbol of our people, and foretold the coming of the storms, both the clouds above and whales beneath. Though perhaps more important was that spark of creativity from that day, to solve a problem and change the traditions for the better.
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« Reply #109 on: February 21, 2024, 05:37:01 pm »

Whalesblood Tattoos
It was presumably a very long story of how our people learned how to use a (very long) needle to safely extract blood from a whale, but presumably they were very happy to find it potable even after a largely passive discharge. While a longlasting nutritious (if not delicious) beverage and a cooking ingredient, a crossing with a nascent tattoo culture revealed a far more interesting use. The first use of whaleblood to tattoo a WhaleSlayer was probably more of a symbolic affair (raising spirits as a spirit gets raised,) and the WhaleSlayer in question was likely more surprised than anyone when they came back relatively unharmed.  Furthermore, no complications came of using whaleblood in the tattoos.
This sparked a revolution in Whalehunting, with accomplished WhaleSlayers able to not only refine their skills at dealing the deathblow, but also able to safely do things that would normally be unthinkably dangerous. In time, as the tattoos grew increasingly refined, specific motifs became reminders of the greatest of these feats. This curve along the bicep? It signifies the First Smith (no matter how different their methods, he is the spiritual father of smithing) who took a whale bone atop a great cliff. On this stormiest night, the bone was struck repeatedly by lightning till it glowed, and with twelve stone hammers he forged blade from the glossy white material. It is now known as the first sword, though none dared repeat his feat, the dreadful burn scars on his hands scaring off any would be imitators (the sword, ironically, thus became too precious to ever use.) Any WhaleSlayer could tell you of a hundred other examples, as well as which "unclaimed" markings they hope their own feats will be remembered by.
One final note on the more aesthetic qualities. The tattoos retain the color of the blood used to make them without fading. For most whales this is a wine-dark red, but blue blood isn't too rare, and others show up from time to time. The overall shaping of the tattoos has a visble upward flow along the arms and a downward flow towards the feet.
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Re: Bay12 v. Black Pants Legion Great War Arms Race (Prelim 1 Revision)
« Reply #110 on: February 21, 2024, 05:54:44 pm »

I quite like the whalesblood tattoos rev, but in the writeup it sounds like they provide general enhancements without actually saying it. Do they only give electrical resistance or is it more varied?
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« Reply #111 on: February 21, 2024, 06:09:36 pm »

I quite like the whalesblood tattoos rev, but in the writeup it sounds like they provide general enhancements without actually saying it. Do they only give electrical resistance or is it more varied?
Electric resistance, but I imagine lightning to be a great concern for our people even outside dealing with the whales, so having resistance has more general utility outside of just dealing with whales.
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« Reply #112 on: February 21, 2024, 06:23:20 pm »

Nuke, any suggestions on the storm/whale detector idea?

Idea spark. (probably crazy)


The Spire of Light
Our people thrived thanks to the Ritual of Harvest. Homes against the rain, food to feed us, and leather to cloth us. And so, with time free from the need for survival, a few decided to build a monument to celebrate our prosperity. At the time, Whaleslaying provided much more than what was needed, and so they chose to build a edifice out of the whalebones, wrapped in whale leather for binding and topped with a stone found within one of their bladders. They chose a time when the rains were not so rough, and made a spire 15 feet high in the village plaza. And that was that, a festival was held and all was good.

Until one day, when a storm came again. Lightning struck from the heavens in the night, striking the spire multiple times. A charge built, and the bones shone beneath the leather with their stored charge. That day, no lightning struck the trees nearby, unerringly drawn to the spire. And it cast light over the village.
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« Reply #113 on: February 22, 2024, 02:45:47 pm »

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The initial whale-harvests required great sacrifice. Of course, trial and error would (over the course of several generations) lead to methods that were far safer and more effective. We learned to recognise the weak spots on whales to ensure the cleanest (least dangerous) kills. We got better at making insulating clothing from whale-hide. Javelins allowed for the WhaleSlayer to stand at a distance, drastically reducing casualties (though not eliminating, since sometimes the lightning would still arc all the way out to the slayer).
As our tribe grew, some groups split off and moved back into the forests, or along the coast. But we remained united by our taste for whale, meaning that members of these groups would often journey back to the lagoon- some to volunteer as WhaleSlayer, some to swap fruits and roots for whale-flesh and blubber.

There remained, for many years, a key bottleneck. Namely, we relied on the storm to bring the whales to us. We did grow bolder over time, targeting whales that were not-quite beached yet- stuck near the shore, but could still potentially manage to catch an outgoing wave to deeper water.
But the whales stuck in the deeper part of the lagoon taunted us. We could see them- so close, yet so far. They'd mill about as we watched from the shore, then the high tide would come, and they'd leisurely depart. Swimming out to them was an intensely stupid move, as water-bound whales were more than capable of killing an intruder into their domain.
A distant branch of the tribe brought us the solution. They had learned to tie logs together to form rafts, which they used to cross rivers inland. While even the lagoon was stormy enough to make rafting a serious challenge, our growing population meant a growing demand for whale- and thus an intense motivation to experiment, refine, and risk life and limb in the pursuit of a raft that could carry a WhaleSlayer and their javelins across the waters.

If our ancestors who first encountered the beached whales could see those rafters... they would be proud, for it was just as dangerous as going right up to a beached whale and hitting it with an axe, if not more so. Even if you managed to hit a whale, a single javelin would rarely be enough to finish off a whale not rendered vulnerable by beaching, and now you had to hit a thrashing, angry whale a few more times. Good luck with that. 
Was it worth the cost? Listen, we didn't have the concept of an economy at the time, 'worth the cost' was meaningless. The important thing is that it worked often enough that we didn't give up on the idea. Those rafts would stick around for a long time.


TLDR: High demand for whales inspires use of rafts, setting an early foundation for the development of watercraft.
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« Reply #114 on: February 22, 2024, 03:16:25 pm »

Bored people do dumb things for glory and whale. We Bote.

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« Reply #115 on: February 22, 2024, 03:21:20 pm »

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« Reply #116 on: February 22, 2024, 03:27:40 pm »

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« Reply #117 on: February 22, 2024, 03:32:56 pm »

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« Reply #118 on: February 22, 2024, 05:17:12 pm »

Storm bottlers inspired me, so I wrote a version it, for the sake of writing and lore.

That said, it makes no sense as its own proposal, since it is basically identical so I am going to vote for storm bottlers. It leads to all sorts of -punks, mainly teslapunk, and I like that.

Lightning rods
Whale harvesting is a crucial part of out survival in this land, providing meat to feed us, leather to cover us and ivory to shelter us and provide us tools.

Whale harvesting is also, however, one of the more dangerous parts of our survival in this land.

Many of our bravest and strongest have died or suffered grievously to provide us with this bounty. And while doing so is an honour worthy of joining our ancestors in the sky as a new spark lightning the dark clouds, better understanding, experimentation, and a will not to become an ancestor young gave rise to improved tools and methods over generations.

Whale bone tools were among the first attempt. But good as they are to pierce the thick whale skin, it was quickly discovered that ivory channels lightning, charring the user (albeit saving the area from collateral damage). Whale leather proved a much better material, significantly shielding the user with a much higher chance of merely being crippled by the ravaging lightning.

The first significant innovation was combining the 2 materials: taking a large bamboo piece with a whale bone tip and covered with a thicker leather cover than would be practical to use in clothing. When used to pierce a whale, it channels the lightning in the tube so created, with the thick leather protecting the brave person wielding it. The occasional stray bolt from the back or overheating of the spear still causes injury, but at a significantly lesser rate.

The true revolution however came from study of whale remains themselves. While a dead whale is mostly dried of lightning, the blubber is often found to be somewhat sparkly when eaten. This led to theories that this fatty tissue is where the energy is stored. And it stopped being a theory when an enterprising soul decided to fill a spear with blubber. After piercing the whale skin, the usual shoot of lightning is no longer produced and instead the blubber in the spear becomes charged ready to release its energy once again. Proper preservation, such as sealing the spear, allows the blubber to remain functional far longer than it would in a rotting whale.

The so-called lighting rods are therefore safe ways to harvest the whale lightning and store it for further uses, whatever they might be.
They are effective, if cumbersome and single use, weapons against larger predators and they can be used to create controlled lightning during festivals. If mounted next to each other as in a palisade, they frequently exchange sparks providing an impressive display.

But mostly, they don’t kill the user.


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« Reply #119 on: February 22, 2024, 05:49:38 pm »

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