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Author Topic: Mafia Heist: End of the line. Town Win  (Read 10952 times)

NJW2000

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Re: Mafia Heist: A short and simple mafia game. (3/7)
« Reply #255 on: February 22, 2024, 03:35:27 pm »

Yeah...

CM: you're needed for any elim today, so I guess I'm asking you: what's the plan?
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Re: Mafia Heist: A short and simple mafia game. (3/7)
« Reply #256 on: February 22, 2024, 04:25:42 pm »

I think sofanthiel sofanthiel is mafia. Otherwise, they're unnecessarily suspicious for someone who monologued like a villain.
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Re: Mafia Heist: A short and simple mafia game. (3/7)
« Reply #257 on: February 22, 2024, 04:26:54 pm »

I'm sure everyone here(except mafia) would rather have the thief win than let mafia win.
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Re: Mafia Heist: A short and simple mafia game. (3/7)
« Reply #258 on: February 22, 2024, 04:44:25 pm »

So… you are the thief?
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Re: Mafia Heist: A short and simple mafia game. (3/7)
« Reply #259 on: February 22, 2024, 04:49:52 pm »

yep
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Re: Mafia Heist: A short and simple mafia game. (3/7)
« Reply #260 on: February 22, 2024, 05:00:51 pm »

I'm sure everyone here(except mafia) would rather have the thief win than let mafia win.
How can we be 100% positive that these aren't one and the same?  While, yes, all "thieves" show up as a third party (if NJW is to be trusted, of course), who's to say you aren't just a scummer that started with the [Phantom Thief] effect?  Our only chance to win, as slim as it may be, is to have you lose.
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Re: Mafia Heist: A short and simple mafia game. (3/7)
« Reply #261 on: February 22, 2024, 05:02:11 pm »

I hammered flipped mafia.
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« Reply #262 on: February 22, 2024, 05:04:10 pm »

Also, if am mafia, we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place because I would have a mafia kill. My role is designed around lurking and waiting for town to kill themselves.
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Re: Mafia Heist: A short and simple mafia game. (3/7)
« Reply #263 on: February 22, 2024, 05:11:29 pm »

waiting for town to kill themselves.
Which we won't do, not today! ;)
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Re: Mafia Heist: A short and simple mafia game. (3/7)
« Reply #264 on: February 22, 2024, 05:27:22 pm »

I would have a mafia kill.
If either NJW or I could terminate lives, we would've done so to you due to your extra vote on the last day even before that blundered victory proclamation (Oh, and no, we didn't just forget it or something like that; I followed NJW and NJW searched me--a closed loop)!  Plus, there wasn't a single kill all game--zero--so if that's anything to go by, you're our best bet.
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Re: Mafia Heist: A short and simple mafia game. (3/7)
« Reply #265 on: February 22, 2024, 05:29:10 pm »

Yeah, here's the thing.

You've played well this game, CM. And you're very close to winning, as you're aware. Against some pretty long odds.

But you can't just come out and claim admit you're anti-town 3p.

Is sofa pretty likely scum godfather? Yes. The "ooh investigate me", the unexplained disagreement with Max, general demeanour, etc. Had me until Max caught them.

Double godfathers and framer thief makes my role a bit of a joke, but fair enough, any cop beyond a one-shot is pretty OP. I've come to believe that town can only ever lose by default or by daygame, so as the setup was winnable, it was my fault for paying too much attention to mechanics.

I could vote Sofa here and go home with the consolation that I voted out both members of the mafia and lost to a third party. And I could say I did reasonably well, except for the Oliverz elim, especially given the hand dealt to me by the GM and my fellow town.

But I'm not going to do that, because I think players should play to win, and there's still a chance, however small, that sofa is town. Or who knows, a survivor-godfather or something, that would make more sense with his role.

What would I like to do in this position? There's nothing I'd like, I don't want to be kingmaker in a game where I can't even force a stalemate, it shouldn't come down to this.

I've been in this position before on this forum a long time ago, in a closed game known to have a strange setup, where I was basically kingmaker unless there was a soloscum player. I gambled on it being possible rather than choosing the 100% certain loss... and it wasn't soloscum, so the mafia won.

Town yelled at me in the postgame, on the basis that town should rather a 3p/SK win than mafia, but that's stupid. Town loses either way. I fucked up, sure, but earlier in the game by allowing that position to happen. So did the rest of town. This time, I'd going to take the opportunity to tell anyone sore about this where to shove it pre-emptively.

Even when it's basically a lost cause, I play to my wincon, because that's the point. And I can't win by voting Sofa out with you, because even if you're lying about the 50% of votes, mafia wins in a stalemate. The only situation in which I win is when Sofa is town, and he hasn't given me 100% certainty that he's not. Just, like, 80%.

So sofa gets this, one way or another. Well done them.

Save your gloating until after the game, I guess is the lesson here. I'm not going to vote sofa.
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Re: Mafia Heist: End of the line. (3/7)
« Reply #266 on: February 22, 2024, 05:44:13 pm »

As no one is going to vote anyone, I'm declaring this day over and timer shortened. Day 6 begins, the hammer is 2 votes.
Not Voting: NJW, Sofanthiel, Crystalizedmire,

Feel free to send in a action for the end of day 5.
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Re: Mafia Heist: A short and simple mafia game. (3/7)
« Reply #267 on: February 22, 2024, 05:46:37 pm »

town should rather a 3p/SK win than mafia
The Mob?  Heh, whatever.  I'd rather be gutted alive on film than admit defeat to a robber.  Why?  Because nobody steals from me!!

Crystalizedmire!
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Re: Mafia Heist: End of the line. (3/7)
« Reply #268 on: February 22, 2024, 05:48:43 pm »

Uh, sofa - weren’t you meant to kill one of us?

Oh well - CrystalizedMire
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Re: Mafia Heist: End of the line. (3/7)
« Reply #269 on: February 22, 2024, 05:50:31 pm »

That's hammer. Wait for results. (Town wins.)
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