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[Imp]

Now that I'm 65% sure what you are going to DO with the apple, I got no problems with you keeping it.

Explain.  Tell me why what I do with it matters, and why what I could do with it bothers you? What can I do with the apple that worries you?

[EuchreJack]

Now that I'm 65% sure what you are going to DO with the apple, I got no problems with you keeping it.

Explain.  Tell me why what I do with it matters, and why what I could do with it bothers you? What can I do with the apple that worries you?

Nothing.
In fact, let me tell YOU something.
Toony and me workshopped in the chat that, should anyone submit a second kill, there is a 50% chance the mafia can freely pick their target.
So I do not foresee anyone except possibly mafia performing a kill tonight.
But, if there should be a second kill, I'm just going to assume your magic apple will be there to stop it and move on with my life.
I really don't care about it anymore.
Also:

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[Imp]

Nothing.

So, you make stuff up, distract, and fluff, D2.  Cool.  Again I ask, if anyone knows your meta enough to know how 'you' this is and how to read this.

[EuchreJack]

Nothing.

So, you make stuff up, distract, and fluff, D2.  Cool.  Again I ask, if anyone knows your meta enough to know how 'you' this is and how to read this.

I'm legit offended. I've been fairly honest and straightforward, I think.
What am I "making up"?

And you say I "distract and fluff". Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  By the way, that means you do those things literally all the time.

Dude, just fucking vote me.

[Imp]

Now that I'm 65% sure what you are going to DO with the apple, I got no problems with you keeping it.

Explain.  Tell me why what I do with it matters, and why what I could do with it bothers you? What can I do with the apple that worries you?

This.  You make this claim like it explains away your intense effort earlier to get me to give the apple to anyone.  Toony, because I care about him and he's scared.  NJW because oh, he's so important and taking all those risks.  And even as I discussed what I was possibly going to do with it.  And now you say that, like that answers or explains anything, and when I ask you what you mean and why that matters to you, you say nothing and make more jokes.

I'm legit offended too.  I don't know if you're anti-town or not, but you're sure not helping.

[EuchreJack]

I honestly don't fucking care anymore. I feel like Imp has just wasted my entire evening.

Here are the fucking dumps from my fucking chat with Toonyman.  He clearly doesn't care. And since I don't care, you can have them in entirety, minus any potential mod messages, which I am forbidden to post.

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Toony — 02/01/2024 5:38 PM
Cool
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 6:27 PM
@Toony To clarify, I didn't bring you here to kill you. I would say you are 70% town. If you and web weren't such good players, it would probably be closer to 90% town.  Now I'm going to catch up on the thread. Kinda thought we might have an opportunity to talk further before the game launched back into existence, but whatever.
Also: I can't be die from the lynch. The roles from NQT were NOT random. My role is basically my role from FBYOR 6 and Supernormal, blended together a bit. I sorta just invited you here to figure out your gameplan for Day 2 and whether I needed to claim unkillable to lynch. A lynch that doesn't lynch is a waste of our town time, and a waste of the main mechanism for town to interact with the game.
Feel free to claim your access to this chat, and I'll back up whatever outlandish claims you make about it, within reason.
FBYOR 6 allowed me to Protect anyone that I was in a chat with, so it's a believable claim
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 6:38 PM
Damn, didn't realize this would be another Information Overload game for you.  So, I guess I will just leave you alone, and if you think the other person with whom you share a chat is scum, convince them to invite me. 😉
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 7:14 PM
I get the very distinct impression there are other chats far more active than this one. The thread seems deader than I would normally expect it to be.
Toony — 02/01/2024 7:18 PM
Im watching anime I can talk more after
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 7:31 PM
LOL. It's perfectly fine. Nothing worth losing your head over.
Toony — 02/01/2024 8:36 PM
I talked with my other chat buddy when the day started while you weren't on
I guess I won't reveal either person
I haven't told them it's you specifically but they could probably infer based on your claimed yesterday
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 8:37 PM
Well, then I know your other chat buddy isn't one of the dumber players.
Toony — 02/01/2024 8:38 PM
I don't think you are both scum since that would mean you both gave me chat invites which seems extremely redundant
I can't believe I'm in multiple chats again it's really dumb
I think Web was probably with Elephant, but Max is possible I guess, what do you think?
I haven't read the thread again maybe I should do that
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 8:39 PM
I was basically just trying to avoid a really dumb Day 2. I failed, but it's a differently dumb Day 2, and I can manage it.
Elephant or Max was sort of my guess as well
Toony — 02/01/2024 8:39 PM
when Web flipped mafia I immediately put Imp and Tric in my "these people are always town" list
I was pretty sure Quarque, FoU, and Crystal are probably fine too
although Quarque has died thanks to their doctor claim
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 8:40 PM
NJW is suspicious
Toony — 02/01/2024 8:40 PM
it could be NJW if it's not Max/Elephant or you
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 8:40 PM
What does the bible page do if mafia has it?
Toony — 02/01/2024 8:40 PM
it wouldn't be any different
if NJW has the bible the next kill will be redirected to them
assuming they maintain it for D2 and N2
that's one reason I don't think it's NJW
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 8:41 PM
Is it any kill, or just the mafia kill?
Toony — 02/01/2024 8:41 PM
kill or mafiakill
is your Walk The Plank a night ability? that would get redirected for example
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 8:42 PM
Yup
Do multiple kills hit it, or just the one?
Toony — 02/01/2024 8:42 PM
I was thinking about seeing how many people had Kill last night but I chose Secondary Wincon instead
which got back 1
so one person has a secondary wincon somewhere
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 8:43 PM
I was kinda worried too many people would pick "Kill" and not enough people would pick "protect" or "self-preservation"
Toony — 02/01/2024 8:43 PM
I wanted to see if anybody could be playing to some other wincon, if it was 0 I could put everyone at ease that people are only playing to something more understandble
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 8:43 PM
And we'd have Armed Forces Bloodbath
Secondary Wincon hunters are losers
Toony — 02/01/2024 8:44 PM
I think NQT is kind of messed up for making my role helpful for mafia
although I can just not use the emerald ability so whatever
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 8:44 PM
Like seriously, WTF do I care if someone has a "secondary wincon"? Mafia have one wincon, I want to kill mafia.
Toony — 02/01/2024 8:44 PM
a double not-town lynch on D1 was very nice though
thanks Tric
unfortunately I now have to waste a lot of time talking with two people alongside posting in the thread
I'm trying to determine if a person I'm talking with is mafia as well, it's very unlikely you both are to me so
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 8:46 PM
Yeah, you're mandatory parole interview is over. You can resume your normal routine, just don't commit any crimes or I'll have to kill you. Peace out
Toony — 02/01/2024 8:46 PM
I guess it's pretty obvious the other chat person I suspect is mafia
although it means if a chat person is mafia they killed Quarque while also chatting me, which is possible I guess
I thought you were going to vig me last night which might have been better I don't know
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 8:47 PM
In my opinion, proper design of a mafia team in a role madness game should include multi-action. Ruling out because "was doing something else" is kinda stupid

[EuchreJack]

Now that I'm 65% sure what you are going to DO with the apple, I got no problems with you keeping it.

Explain.  Tell me why what I do with it matters, and why what I could do with it bothers you? What can I do with the apple that worries you?

This.  You make this claim like it explains away your intense effort earlier to get me to give the apple to anyone.  Toony, because I care about him and he's scared.  NJW because oh, he's so important and taking all those risks.  And even as I discussed what I was possibly going to do with it.  And now you say that, like that answers or explains anything, and when I ask you what you mean and why that matters to you, you say nothing and make more jokes.

I'm legit offended too.  I don't know if you're anti-town or not, but you're sure not helping.

How are YOU offended?

[Imp]

This.  "The roles from NQT were NOT random"  Why do you say that?  Were you given something other than what you asked for?

[EuchreJack]

Honestly, I just don't want to play with you anymore. Just read the damn logs and make whatever decision you are going to make.

I bet you a bushel of apples that no matter what I say, you're still gonna vote me. So I just do not fucking care to talk with you any further. Bother someone else.

[Imp]

How are YOU offended?

I don't think you're capable of understanding me in that regard, so I have no further answer to it, but I'll answer that much to let you know I no longer discuss this.

Toons, about the emerald and your ability thing.

I wonder if it'll have another purpose later in the game.  Maybe/maybe not.  But maybe you don't have to stress too much over it.  We got it handled to some extent, and maybe there's a double purpose to the ability or something.  At some point if I live long enough, I'm creating artefacts, maybe you can find them with that.  For all I know (and I knew nothing about emeralds until web started to discuss) maybe everything I create is an emerald artefact, in which case that ability has some use again, as I sure don't know where they are, and someone anti-town might not want to discuss.

[EuchreJack]

Ok, part 2 of the logs. They were apparently too big for one part.

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EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 9:37 PM
My forum name is a modification of a Knuckles comic character
Toony — 02/01/2024 9:38 PM
what like Archie Sonic?
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 9:38 PM
Yeah
Toony — 02/01/2024 9:38 PM
I've read like....70 or something issues I was trying to do all of it
that includes the Knuckles spinoff and everything
I'm like half done with the Knuckles spinoff I was following a readorder list
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 9:39 PM
Knuckles spinoff stuff was great. Better than Sonic, I think
Toony — 02/01/2024 9:39 PM
there's so many Knuckle family members
the issue I'm on starts with his Mom I think I haven't read it yet
the backstory stuff is kind of crazy with the ancestors
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 9:39 PM
Several issues are bedtime stories told by his mom, I think
Toony — 02/01/2024 9:40 PM
there's the group that abandons technology and the ones that don't want to get rid of it
I think it's Dimitr that gets all crazy
or something
I really like the Archie comics they can be so crazy, uh anyway
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 9:41 PM
nostalgia
Toony — 02/01/2024 9:41 PM
I'm not knuckles adjacent
I just saw Blue Spheres and was like "that's Sonic 3"
clearly Webadict thought the same thing when submitting a role
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 9:42 PM
So you're just Sonic 3?
Toony — 02/01/2024 9:42 PM
no
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 9:42 PM
OH
Toony — 02/01/2024 9:42 PM
I have a very long role name
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 9:42 PM
You're sonic's Uncle
Toony — 02/01/2024 9:42 PM
that's sonic related
my plan after actually reading all of Archie Sonic was to try the new IDW run
but I don't think I'll ever get there
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 9:43 PM
I liked the IDW Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, I think
Toony — 02/01/2024 9:43 PM
that looked cool I've seen it but haven't read it
TMNT moved around a lot there's the original run then Archie then IDW or something
I think some of that was concurrent between them
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 9:44 PM
Nah, it was a different company
Image I think
Toony — 02/01/2024 9:45 PM
what I mean is the original run wasn't Archie, it was probably Image yeah
that's when it was all red headbands
the original artist and creator guy
Archie was based around the cartoon, and then IDW is the modern stuff
like how Sonic was based around the cartoon until the cartoon ended
EuchreJack — 02/01/2024 9:45 PM
Eh, I liked Archie's TMNT
Thankfully, Image's maturity and my own maturity matched up, otherwise I might not have liked it
Well, this was fun.  Back to the main thread. With Imp. And Fallacy.  Sigh
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 12:35 AM
Well shit. I might as well unvote Elephant Parade. If you think I'm town and they're scum, you can just have me kill them.  Maybe I shouldn't be too obvious about it though...
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 1:15 AM
Nah
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 6:29 PM
@Toony I think inviting Imp would probably be the worst thing I could do to you. But then I'd have to start killing myself...
Toony — Yesterday at 6:37 PM
You said you weren't going to kill me but I also recommend not doing that anyway at least for N2 since NJW has the bible which should be active
otherwise your kill may just target NJW instead and the mafia get who they want
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 6:48 PM
...that probably would also be the truthful answer as to why I know a Serial Killer would absolutely shoot NJW. Hm, Imp isn't completely stupid
I have a kill, ergo I have actually thought about what happens when 2 kills go off
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 6:49 PM
Why do you think that?
Toony — Yesterday at 6:50 PM
the bible page does the first kill I assume it's chosen randomly
so if two kills happen only one goes to NJW
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 6:51 PM
Does the bible page say "first kill"?
Toony — Yesterday at 6:51 PM
yes
and I'm assuming the latter part of how kills are ordered maybe it's in the OP
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 6:52 PM
Kills shouldn't be ordered. Mods be crazy sometimes though
Toony — Yesterday at 6:52 PM
then how do you determine kills?
if there's two kills tonight which one gets redirected to NJW?
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 6:55 PM
Everybody dies, obviously
LIke I said, ordering kills is bad form. Including an item that implies that kills are ordered is bad form. "Draw 1 kill to player holding this item" is the correct wordage
Are you sure Imp isn't third party? http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=182347.msg8528218#msg8528218
NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
Awful strange way to brush off my discussion of Serial Killers...
Toony — Yesterday at 7:00 PM
don't feel like voting a player that isn't mafia
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 7:01 PM
Yes Yes. Just keep it mind in the highly unlikely event that you outlive me.
Anyone you want to chat with here instead of in Elephant Chat?
Toony — Yesterday at 7:03 PM
I bet I will outlive you 😐
well invite mafia so you can kill them, yeah?
or did you forget
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 7:04 PM
I figure, if Max or Elephant are voted, I invite the survivor, then all bases covered?
Toony — Yesterday at 7:05 PM
I will accept that
I think Crystal is the only other possibility for mafia
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 7:06 PM
At a certain point, a slight possibility of losing is acceptable. Not covering Crystal is good enough.
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 7:06 PM
I'm getting the Bible Page, huh
Toony — Yesterday at 7:07 PM
what?
if you're town I bet I will outlive you, wanna bet?
if you're mafia it's void
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 7:08 PM
I'm intrigued
Toony — Yesterday at 7:09 PM
I'm always going to be suspected as a Web ally until mafia are all dead, and you said you aren't going to kill me, I'm not a good mafiakill target and I have enough supporters I'll never be lynched
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 7:10 PM
I'm hardly a compelling mafia target, although I could probably get Vig'd & Voted
As for the NQT being in the game, I DO keep wondering if I can kill the mod with my ability, and if I would then inherit the role of Mod
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 7:18 PM
So so so tempted to reply to this http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=182347.msg8528220#msg8528220
NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
Jack: "Toony's replying to my calling you a SK" Imp: "Where did you say that?" Jack: "Where indeed? "
For the record, the following players do not know about the Toony-Jack chat: NJW (too busy), Tric (too obvious), Imp, Fallacy, ElephantParade (he's methodical but stupid)
Toony — Yesterday at 7:21 PM
I have a headache
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 7:24 PM
Well, Tric has confirmed he still can't read...http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=182347.msg8528231#msg8528231
NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
Toony — Yesterday at 7:24 PM
I don't even read Imp's posts
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 7:25 PM
Sorry about causing your headache
Toony — Yesterday at 7:25 PM
I've read like two Imp posts this game
it's my own fault I have a headache
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 7:26 PM
Imp posts are like diving into the garbage because you think you might of dropped something in there, and of course finding nothing of value
What if...I block Imp posts from my view?
It helps!
"The setup will be designed to avoid action processing conflicts where possible, but otherwise it will use natural resolution order, with simultaneous action."
All kills go off at once
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 9:23 PM
@Toony: Can you use your Setup Knowledge ability to determine how many Stupid players are in this game?
I'm counting 10
EuchreJack — Yesterday at 9:57 PM
Posting this for retrieval later: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=182347.msg8528278#msg8528278
NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
EuchreJack — Today at 12:33 AM
@Toony Elephant is requesting your permission to dump the logs of your conversation with him into the thread. Y/N? I advised you two can remove any parts you want to keep hidden.
Have fun!
EuchreJack — Today at 12:43 AM
@Toony And of course, at least Imp wants this chat to be revealed.  Let me know what you think. I am going to hide my role info for now.
EuchreJack — Today at 1:44 AM
FYI, Imp's the novelist. But I'm probably the last one to figure that out. Whatever.

[EuchreJack]

I am currently, though this can change, primarily only interested in a D2 elim of either EJ or MS.  I am still reading everyone, and I am pretty unhappy and stressed.

Same deal to NJW, of course, as I 'joked' to Toony.  But hey, the only two players trying to get the apple out of my hands are those two.  If EJ flips and has the page, won't that be a surprise.

So yeah, if you had just said this 5 hours ago, I would have known that nothing I said to you would mean anything, and moved on with my life. Fucking apples.
Maybe the logs will help explain that I did not fucking know that you were saving it to save Toony, and I just wanted you to help NJW with his plan.
BUT NOTHING I SAY WILL MATTER, so Fuck You and Good Night.

[notquitethere]

The electors start to get legalistic. Large tomes are dusted out of storage. Rules for exactly who is allowed to elect a Doge and what a Doge is even meant to be. It's exhausting.

Vote Count — Day 2
- Crystalizedmire -
- Elephant Parade - [1] Crystalizedmire
- Euchrejack - [1] TricMagic
- FallacyofUrist -   
- Imp -
- Maximum Spin - [2] NJW2000, Euchrejack
- NJW2000 -
- Toonyman - [1] FallacyofUrist
- TricMagic - 
- No Elimination

Current Elimination: Maximum Spin

Hammer at 5 votes. Day ends 6th February 10pm GMT.

Current Trades:

Euchrejack: Trade Blue Chaos Emerald for Robert Louis Stevenson's Inkstained Bible Page
Imp: Trade Yellow Chaos Emerald for Robert Louis Stevenson's Inkstained Bible Page

NQT, may we please get a list of what you would consider single target abilities, is that a meaningful question that can be answered?

I am thinking [target] is one, but are there any others, and if so, what are they?

I don't want to comment on specific items that may or may not exist, but if I said "single target ability" I'd mean an ability that only has one living player target, and doesn't target two players, a sphere, an item, a dead player. I'd also exclude the mafiakill if it had already fired that phase.

[Elephant Parade]

I'm still awake for some ungodly reason so have a post.

Someone please trade me for my Airsoft Rifle (junk item that can be used to target someone with no effect) so there's evidence that it exists and I didn't hit CM with some bad mojo last night.

Imp: You are sucking the air out of the room. I know you have a lot to say, but compare the number of posts you've made in this thread to the number total. I think you're about every fourth post, and that's too much.

[NJW2000]

NJW: Do you think that a serial killer could kill you?

I don't think there’s much of a difference between scum and SK for my roles purposes. It’s unlikely but possible that one of them could kill me.

Imp: yeah, fair enough, I was mainly interested in the apple to control further nightkills.

I have another artefact… could trade for that? It’s the six shooter. Happy to do the emerald for it.

Still not much time, haven’t gone through the thread.