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[hector13]

D4, excuse me, not D3.

[Imp]

Well the major things happening were Esteemed Maximum Spin chatting about claims and such, and I had just presented Esteemed The Canadian kitten as an alternative. Esteemed The Canadian kitten did clear Esteemed Secretdorf on D3, but I don’t think they’re a team.

Esteemed Secretdorf is as certainly town from Esteemed The Canadian kitten's inspect as Esteemed hector13 is certainly serial killer from Esteemed The Canadian kitten's inspect.

From that evidence, neither can be determined, both are 'maybe'.

From my results I know Esteemed hector13 is in fact town.

I do not at this time know what alignment Esteemed Secretdorf is.  It could be town.  That's not certain.  At all.

[Elephant Parade]

Well the major things happening were Esteemed Maximum Spin chatting about claims and such, and I had just presented Esteemed The Canadian kitten as an alternative. Esteemed The Canadian kitten did clear Esteemed Secretdorf on D3, but I don’t think they’re a team.

I guess? But had anyone moved his vote off of him?

See, Esteemed Maximum Spin may or may not be town.  I do not know.  I don't value his role in this game over mine.  I've been pleased by his play, cycle after cycle.  I accept and embrace him and his playstyle, even if I don't fully agree or actually trust him.  I also evaluate him as one of the key and core players here, facing the same risks of us all.

And I remember how he fought for Esteemed EuchreJack's life, D1.

I made a promise to play fair this game, no matter what.

I will carry that promise for all my life.  Somehow, Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist managed, without having ever played in a game with me, without my ever having openly displayed where I know he can see, he nailed so much of what I want in what he gave me this game, and he gave me open invitation to show him the rest.

I accept and embrace that offer.  There may or may not be future games, I tell him with every letter typed, every choice made, what the depth of my dreams really are.  If there's a next season, a sequel?  Oh yeah.  I play for that as well as a town win.

There's a lot of ways to play fair, which I promised before I was given anything but an invitation.  And I genuinely don't know if I have one life or two to give for town this game, as things have gone.

I'm not the only player here.  Let's see what happens next, shall we?

I continue to find your personal-attachment-over-gameplay-benefit playstyle difficult to work with but OK, I guess.

[Lenglon]

...
when I finally get to use deadchat it's going to be beyond interesting.

Dorf: No, seriously, sell me on why I should vote Imp with you. I might go ahead and do it.

Imp: What part of "If dorf were scum town already lost" do you not understand?

[Elephant Parade]

Imp: What part of "If dorf were scum town already lost" do you not understand?

I don't see how this is true. Even if they had enough votes to hammer, there would still be the possibility of nightkilling them. Am I misunderstanding your argument?

[hector13]

Well the major things happening were Esteemed Maximum Spin chatting about claims and such, and I had just presented Esteemed The Canadian kitten as an alternative. Esteemed The Canadian kitten did clear Esteemed Secretdorf on D3, but I don’t think they’re a team.

Esteemed Secretdorf is as certainly town from Esteemed The Canadian kitten's inspect as Esteemed hector13 is certainly serial killer from Esteemed The Canadian kitten's inspect.

From that evidence, neither can be determined, both are 'maybe'.

From my results I know Esteemed hector13 is in fact town.

I do not at this time know what alignment Esteemed Secretdorf is.  It could be town.  That's not certain.  At all.

Nothing is certain and hoping for it won’t make it so.

Esteemed BlackHeartKabal wanted to get rid of Esteemed Secretdorf too, what do you make of that?

[Imp]

Esteemed BlackHeartKabal wanted to get rid of Esteemed Secretdorf too, what do you make of that?

Esteemed Secretdorf's probably not Mafia.

[Secretdorf]

I propose to lynch Imp unless they break the restriction.

Because I don't really see a reason why Max's SK beyond he's dangerous and weird.

[hector13]

Esteemed BlackHeartKabal wanted to get rid of Esteemed Secretdorf too, what do you make of that?

Esteemed Secretdorf's probably not Mafia.

Nobody has claimed redirecting Esteemed The Canadian kitten to Esteemed Secretdorf, and Esteemed Secretdorf is confirmed by dead town Esteemed notquitethere to have not acted (and thus not killed) N4.

What are your thoughts on that?

[Elephant Parade]

I propose to lynch Imp unless they break the restriction.

Because I don't really see a reason why Max's SK beyond he's dangerous and weird.

Unfortunately, they aren't going to and we can't tell if their claimed reason (personal attachment) is real or a scum gambit. I'm leaning toward the former, but if it's the latter I'm going to be really mad because that's an incredibly obnoxious way to play scum.

[hector13]

I propose to lynch Imp unless they break the restriction.

Because I don't really see a reason why Max's SK beyond he's dangerous and weird.

If you feel strongly enough about it you can kill them. There is no scenario in which Esteemed Imp is eliminated via the lynch, so if you are convinced, you can sacrifice one town for one scum, which is a very good transaction.

[Maximum Spin]

The only way I see that there might not be a second scumteam (or solo scum, possibly SK, I'm not differentiating here), anyway, is if the Mafia killed Esteemed webadict (so the Esteemed Dead Mafia Members and/or Esteemed The Canadian kitten are lying) and there's another member who killed Esteemed notquitethere. I know I didn't do those things, and even under the theories of the people who think I'm a serial killer I still shouldn't have been able to do them. Someone did that, and that someone is definitely some kind of bad guy.

Nobody has claimed redirecting Esteemed The Canadian kitten to Esteemed Secretdorf, and Esteemed Secretdorf is confirmed by dead town Esteemed notquitethere to have not acted (and thus not killed) N4.

What are your thoughts on that?

Okay, but you guys think that I could have bussed myself with you and killed Esteemed notquitethere at the same time, so why couldn't Esteemed Secretdorf have, or something similar? True that if it were a bus, Esteemed notquitethere would presumably have seen you (but apparently Esteemed Secretdorf) act on Esteemed Jim Groovester (if that in fact happened), but it could be something else.

[Imp]

I propose to lynch Imp unless they break the restriction.

Because I don't really see a reason why Max's SK beyond he's dangerous and weird.

Unfortunately, they aren't going to and we can't tell if their claimed reason (personal attachment) is real or a scum gambit. I'm leaning toward the former, but if it's the latter I'm going to be really mad because that's an incredibly obnoxious way to play scum.

Agreed.  if I were scum I'd have had a lot more choices this game.  And a lot safer ones.

Also, I'd have tried to keep the scum team alive.  Not by votes.  You all know how much I talk, how I double check stuff, how I persuade.

While I haven't cast many votes this game, I've been part of luring into exposure multiple scum and, weirdly, the town-could-become-sk Esteemed TricMagic too.

I also claim a very great day power, from my original role, one that potentially 'could do anything'.  I openly declared my intention to bring Esteemed EuchreJack back D2.

That didn't happen.  Something else did.  Esteemed Maximum Spin reports catching that one's action, N2, which I confirm is the one time I am absolutely certain that one should have been able to choose to act, because of my D2 action.

If I'm scum, I put what I claim 'could be anything' into -that-.  My scum day game, I wouldn't have needed to claim 'umm, save me, I didn't realize Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist turned me into a treasuremap and gave me to the scum to hunt with direct and explicit clues and what looks like a prize if they do, and I didn't know that I dropped the ball and revealed the pieces the scum didn't have yet' and could have played a lot less riskily from the start.

Gazes towards whereever the Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist is or would be

Hadn't realized I could ask for such a thing.  Might next game, been awesome.  Golden snitch?  Benevolent Genie?  It'll be awesome, I have no doubts, except maybe I'm terrible for the enjoyment of everyone else, oops.

Point being, the rest of you.  Scum me this game... I'd have probably had a decent day game and been Freddy Kruegar for you at night.  The lack of pile of terrible coincidences afflicting town over and over and over and over, that's my lack of scum tell.  Even if that only could have happened N1 and N2.

[Maximum Spin]

It'll be awesome, I have no doubts, except maybe I'm terrible for the enjoyment of everyone else, oops.

I don't think there's any reason why you shouldn't continue playing more games here.

[Lenglon]

Max: You are correct. This is why I want Jim / EP lynched. my suspicion is that Imp will be redirected tonight, and so their plan is:

Imp investigates EP -> redirected to the townie they nightkill, probably secretdorf.
Lenglon tracks Imp -> says Imp visited the nightkill.
Imp says they investigated EP, came up town.
Town lynches Lenglon, Lenglon flips town, shrugs.
Next day Town lynches Imp
Jim / EP, now having at least three votes, maybe 4 or 5, between the two of them, now have maj.
Pirate Win.