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[Elephant Parade]

MaximumSpin, I fully expect the answer to this to be no, but does your targeting immunity take the form of redirecting actions you receive to two random players? It'd explain a lot.

[Maximum Spin]

Max deduces that Egan tried to kill NQT but accidently killed Sofanthiel instead. I'm not sure how Max knows this unless he explained later, could you explain again? Sorry.

It was a simple inference from seeing the action happen while targeting Esteemed notquitethere.

MaximumSpin, I fully expect the answer to this to be no, but does your targeting immunity take the form of redirecting actions you receive to two random players? It'd explain a lot.

No, but that would be really funny and I wish it did.

[The Canadian kitten]

Imp

Imp, please break posting restrictions?

also I do have somewhat dubious reasons for suspecting you, but will get into that if you actually do break it.

[hector13]

What does being immune to protects mean?

No idea, I never asked.

PPE: pretty sure the restriction has already been broken, but I’ll ask Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist just in case.

[ToonyMan]

Stop voting Imp. I will have an aneurysm if the supercop gets lynched.

They did call me just "Toonyman" in that post, maybe as a tiny give-and-take. I call that a very delibrate post-restriction break.

@FoU:
JUDGE! JUDGE! WE HAVE A RULE BREAKER, CORRECT?

[hector13]

Well… Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist didn’t say yes, but he did say it was a direct reference to a player without saying Esteemed so…

[FallacyofUrist]

@FoU:
JUDGE! JUDGE! WE HAVE A RULE BREAKER, CORRECT?

Please clarify your question.

[Imp]

@FoU:
JUDGE! JUDGE! WE HAVE A RULE BREAKER, CORRECT?

That would depend on the exact wording of the Status.

In general, I count a good-faith effort to hold to a post restriction as valid for its effects, and excuse errors as long as they're accidental and infrequent.

Reads summary:

I know to be town:
Esteemed hector13:  "Okay, now I'm not sure Esteemed Imp is town."
Esteemed Imp:   "I sure hope everybody knows what they are doing and what everyone has claimed."

Had better be town:
Esteemed Maximum Spin:  The most flavorful ingredient in this entire stew.
Esteemed ToonyMan:  If we are all flavors, this one keeps stirring the pot.
Esteemed Elephant Parade:  "Mason buddies with Jim, please confirm.  Also, I'll keep pinning scum, you're all welcome."
Esteemed Jim Groovester: "I'll keep stealing votes and I don't contradict I'm mason buddies with EP."

Is probably town:
Esteemed The Canadian kitten:  "I may not realize how important I am, or how important I am in finding careless killers."
Esteemed Lenglon:  "Well, roleblocked and have a bomb.  May I get back to my job please?"

I don't know what to think:
Esteemed Secretdorf:  "I just gotta convince them I'm town and I win."
Esteemed CrystalizedMire:  "I am an ant-sized ant being roleblocked at night and banished by day.  Help?  And now I'm permabanished?  Help?"

What everyone has claimed:

D5 facts:
Esteemed notquitethere died town.
Esteemed CrystalizedMire is still banished.
Esteemed Secretdorf has 5 votes, same as day before (and expected to gain 1 more from claims)
Esteemed Jim Groovester, known for vote stealing, has two votes.

D5 claims:
Esteemed imp inspected Esteemed hector13, town.
Esteemed hector13 targeted Esteemed Jim Groovester to spread more Esteem.  Identified as Town by Esteemed Imp and as Serial Killer by Esteemed The Canadian kitten
Esteemed Elephant Parade roleblocked and gave bomb to esteemed Lenglon.
Esteemed Lenglon was roleblocked and bombed, said had targeted Esteemed Max for reinspection.
Esteemed The Canadian kitten inspected Esteemed hector13 and reports 'serial killer' (if redirected, this means Esteemed The Canadian kitten targeted someone who inspects as Serial Killer who did not use a kill action last night, and did not target Esteemed The Canadian kitten).
Esteemed Maximum Spin: Tracked Esteemed The Canadian kitten, confirming that one can kill and has ability named "Haunting Void", which Esteemed The Canadian kitten confirms.
Esteemed Secretdorf: Hasn't posted yet.
Esteemed Jim Groovester: Stole a vote.  Is this a free action?  What else this one been doing each day?
Esteemed CystalizedMire:  Still banished, whatever that means.
Esteemed Toonyman: Hasn't claimed yet or I missed it.

Earlier claims and facts.

Spoiler: D4: (click to show/hide)

D4 facts:

No deaths.
Esteemed CrystalizedMire is again banished.
Esteemed Secretdorf has 5 votes, 2 more than the day before
Esteemed Jim Groovester, known for vote stealing, has one vote.
Esteemed Knightwing64 has no vote.

D4 claims so far:

Esteemed Jim Groovester claims attempted votesteal on Esteemed Knightwing64 and says didn't get targeted with the targeted 'Esteem' ability from Esteemed hector13.

Esteemed hector13 claims to have targeted Esteemed Jim Groovester with an ability granting power that appears to have succeeded, however a disturbed Esteemed Maximum Spin claims to have received it instead.

Esteemed BlackHeartKabal claims to have marked, not roleblocked Esteemed Lenglon

Esteemed Elephant Parade 'I roleblocked (and bombed) CM again.'  Appears to indicate they did this because they think that person is scum.

Esteemed Imp claims to have properly 'Esteemed Webadict inspected' Esteemed notquitethere, and gotten the definite and certain result 'town'.

Esteemed Knightwing64 [not yet spoken]

Esteemed Lenglon "I had strange results last night, I was marked for death, and my action was repeated despite me not double-actioning. I'd like to sit on my information until some more claims have been made before sharing if nobody minds."  "Max: I targeted you, I was fulfilling my D1 implied promise of checking the miller claims."

Esteemed Maximum Spin (to Esteemed Lenglon) "I certainly know that you used your chat-detector and it hit two players, but I don't know whom."  Also says they didn't target Esteemed Lenglon, and were redirected, probably by Esteemed Hector13.

Esteemed notquitethere reports that Esteemed Toonyman targetted Esteemed Imp.

Esteemed Secretdorf says stole Esteemed Knightwing64's vote.

Esteemed The Canadian kitten investigated Esteemed Secretdorf, got result 'town'. (note can be redirected, is not a super inspect.)

Esteemed ToonyMan "I only targeted Imp" for protect/heal.

Spoiler: D3: (click to show/hide)

D3 facts:

Esteemed Webadict was killed as a very simplified Warehouse 13.
Esteemed The Canadian kitten was killed, revived. (the cat came back?)
Esteemed Crystalizedmire and Esteemed Kightwing64 went missing.
Esteemed Secretdorf had 3 votes, Esteemed sofanthiel had none, everyone else had the expected 1.

D3 claims:

Esteemed Imp:  Whut?  Oh, it's all so simple now.  Plus, 2 visitors to Esteemed ToonyMan last night and all I got was this lousy t-shirt of a new role.

Esteemed Toonyman:  Bus and swap between Esteemed Webadict and Esteemed Imp.

Esteemed Secretdorf:  'I am a vote stealer.  Somehow I got 2.' (blatant twinsie of Esteemed Jim Groovester's N1 claim)

Esteemed Jim Groovester:  Attempted to steal Esteemed Sofanthiel's vote, and gained an 'infestation' on his gun.

Esteemed Elephant Parade:  Blocky-bombing Esteemed BlackHeartKabal and got some creepy spirit voodoo (same as we saw before?  Still not actually word-for-word confirmed but expected to be based on claims)

Esteemed Maximum Spin:  Repeated an action, gained knowledge of flavor, and protected someone.

Esteemed Lenglon:  'Esteemed Toonyman is not in a group chat.'

Esteemed The Canadian kitten:  Inspects Esteemed Sofanthiel, dies and revives.

Esteemed notquitethere:  Blocked Esteemed BlackHeartKabal and gained 'Marked By Death'.  Confirms has vote again after it was gone D2.

Esteemed sofanthiel:  laughter and no comment about night activities.  "I will reveal that information exclusively if I deem doing so beneficial or vital.  Neither is the case right now."

Esteemed hector13:  Targeted Imp for whatever (bus means likely redirected to Esteemed Webadict)

Esteemed BlackHeartKabal: Ghost blocked by being visited by living, now has a bomb on their vessel (racecar).

Spoiler: D2: (click to show/hide)

D2 Facts:

Esteemed sofanthiel was killed and revived N1.  (probably from their on/off power)
Esteemed Jim Groovester had 3 votes, Esteemed notquitethere had none, all others had the expected 1.

D2 claims:

Esteemed Imp:  Roleblocked, gained and lost status 'Marked By Death', gained a ability from Hector13.  Given much flavor of Hector13.

Esteemed Toonyman:  "I protected Imp last night. Nothing else happened."

Esteemed hector13:  Gave an 'Esteemed' ability to Esteemed Imp who confirms that happened and uncertainly thinks is probably beneficial, but notes cannot confirm any of the claims made about this thing.

Esteemed CrystalizedMire:  Roleblocked and given a bomb.  Claimed targeting "visiting" Esteemed hector13, did not state purpose of visit.  Only said this about Esteemed hector13 that day, so not clear purpose for target:

hector13 seems to be town but unfortunately, my lack of patience makes it hard for me to fully absorb them

Esteemed Elephant Parade:  "I roleblocked and planted a bomb on CM because I found her the most suspicious of the low-heat players and figured it would be a low-heat player who performed the mafiakill."

Esteemed The Canadian kitten:  "I am the Cat Came Back" and roleblocked while visiting Esteemed Sofanthiel (note is investigative in nature, and likely affected by Egan's nightkill + 'merged target' between Esteemed Sofanthiel and Esteemed notquitethere that happened N2?)

Esteemed Jim Groovester:  "I stole sofanthiel's vote before you ask, but as far as I know I only stole one singular vote so I don't know where the third vote came from or why sofanthiel still has a vote."

Esteemed Secretdorf:  "As might be obvious, I do not have any definite scumreads"

I have nothing significant to share.

I do not have any specific preferences although it would be bad to lose Webadict, Jim or lenglon. They seem most likely town to me. I did not think I would be killed because I have not claimed any threatening abilities and people in general are finding me pretty suspicious so mafia would probably want to use me as a mislynch.

As for why I said Jim's going to be nightkilled, Jim just seemed town to me. And I doubted anyone was going to protect him.

Esteemed Egan_BW:  Not claimed, but surely used the nightkill. OR someone else used their nightkill and they used their 'double up tomorrow' ability, or who knows.

Esteemed notquitethere:  "I do know that Elephant Parade didn't try to kill me or Sofanthiel." later directly claimed "Tracked EP"

Esteemed Knightwing64:  "I have an ability that let’s me see if my target inspected anyone and what the results of that inspection was."  Seems to have targetted Esteemed Webadict.

Esteemed sofanthiel: Scum weirdness -

I did perform an action during my hibernation, but that plan has yet to come to fruition, which is why I am not going to claim any night actions yet.

I know that I'm being truthful (all I received was a bite of flavor text), and you claiming to be certain that I'm withholding some details means one of two things:
1. You're trying to maliciously throw me under the wagon by portraying me as deceitful, or...
2. You know more about my night activities than I do; however, you mistakenly assumed that I too have access to that intelligence.

Esteemed ImpWebadict: 

Oh look, Egan_BW WAS a suspect, and Jack wasn't.  I'd also like to point out that this makes ToonyMan a likely ally of Egan.  If only we listened to me more often.

Knightwing is Town, btw.

I was Roleblocked.  My assumption is that I was Roleblocked by the same thing that Roleblocked The Canadian kitten, which is why Maximum Spin has information I don't.  Additionally, this is why Knightwing64 got no information.  Crystalizedmire solved that one pretty simply.

I'm pretty sure sofanthiel is scum.  In fact, it's entirely possible that it only looked like TCk got Roleblocked, and sofanthiel was actually hit by the die-and-revive.

Esteemed BlackHeartKabal:  Didn't claim D2, but revealed D3 to have targeted Esteemed Imp for roleblock/Marked By Death.

Esteemed Lenglon: Tracked the Esteemed hector13 to Esteemed Imp.

Esteemed Maximum Spin:  Sees a lot of interesting actions in the night, 'If I am not mistaken, Egan_BW attempted to kill notquitethere but accidentally killed sofanthiel.'  'I know what happened but don't worry about it. It wasn't me, to be clear.' 'Knightwing is Town, btw.'  'I'm concerned that Knightwing might be in a similar boat to TricMagic re: being able to stop being town.'  'CERTAIN visitors of Steamed Sofanthiel got roleblocked. No, it wasn't me doing it, but I saw it happen. You'll understand after the lynch so there's no point in me leaking information right now.' 'the way I learned all these actions. That's the main thing I can do besides passively protect.'  'To make a long story short, the mafiakill caused the blocking because of its power.  Unrelatedly, I'm more sure that sofanthiel is up to something shady now.'

[Elephant Parade]

Lenglon, why inspect MS again when it didn't work the first time?

[ToonyMan]

@FoU:
JUDGE! JUDGE! WE HAVE A RULE BREAKER, CORRECT?

Please clarify your question.

I play as I please.

You can all push as much as you choose.

I don't move on this.

When I die, I flip town, and everything else I claimed that I think can possibly show now is also true.

Several of you, including you, Esteemed Toonyman and Esteemed hector13 have hurt me grievously this game.  Though Toonyman only in game.

Do as you choose.  I do too.

DOES THIS POST VIOLATE A HYPOTHETICAL POST-RESTRICTION WHERE A PLAYER IS REQUIRED TO REFERED TO PLAYERS BY THE "ESTEEMED" TITLE PREFIX?

PPE:

D5 claims:
Esteemed Toonyman: Hasn't claimed yet or I missed it.

I protected you (Imp) last night. Nothing else happened and it said I performed my action.

[hector13]

Lenglon, why inspect MS again when it didn't work the first time?

We don’t actually know it didn’t work, since if it hit Esteemed Jim Groovester and Esteemed BlackHeartKabal. If it did we would expect a double “yes group chat” result, as opposed to one yes and one no.

My assumption is, given Esteemed Lenglon was marked for death, Esteemed BlackHeartKabal was one of the players hit.

[ToonyMan]

Lenglon, why inspect MS again when it didn't work the first time?

I should point out that NQT died last night and Lenglon couldn't have killed anyone.

[Elephant Parade]

Lenglon, why inspect MS again when it didn't work the first time?

We don’t actually know it didn’t work, since if it hit Esteemed Jim Groovester and Esteemed BlackHeartKabal. If it did we would expect a double “yes group chat” result, as opposed to one yes and one no.

My assumption is, given Esteemed Lenglon was marked for death, Esteemed BlackHeartKabal was one of the players hit.

Fair point, but they said they did it "because yesterday was clearly invalid":

Last night I attempted to check Max again since yesterday was clearly invalid, but was roleblocked and had a bomb put on me.

I understand both why you probably want me to claim as early in the day as possible and also why the roleblock + bomb was performed. this is fine. Hopefully someone else has useful information to share today.

Lenglon, why inspect MS again when it didn't work the first time?

I should point out that NQT died last night and Lenglon couldn't have killed anyone.

I am fully aware. I'm keeping track of claims in my spreadsheet. I do not think Lenglon performed the nightkill.

[FallacyofUrist]

DOES THIS POST VIOLATE A HYPOTHETICAL POST-RESTRICTION WHERE A PLAYER IS REQUIRED TO REFERED TO PLAYERS BY THE "ESTEEMED" TITLE PREFIX?

Yes, however,

That would depend on the exact wording of the Status.

In general, I count a good-faith effort to hold to a post restriction as valid for its effects, and excuse errors as long as they're accidental and infrequent.

This remains true.

[hector13]

Yeah, pretty sure the only players who can have performed the kill are Esteemed Imp, Esteemed ToonyMan, Esteemed The Canadian kitten, and Esteemed Superdorf, so long as other claims are accurate and nobody can double act.

DOES THIS POST VIOLATE A HYPOTHETICAL POST-RESTRICTION WHERE A PLAYER IS REQUIRED TO REFERED TO PLAYERS BY THE "ESTEEMED" TITLE PREFIX?

Yes, however,

That would depend on the exact wording of the Status.

In general, I count a good-faith effort to hold to a post restriction as valid for its effects, and excuse errors as long as they're accidental and infrequent.

This remains true.

I demand the strictest possible interpretation even if adversely affects my doing it!