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[Imp]

I'm thinking through all the possibilities, but I can't come up with one where I wouldn't vote either Esteemed BlackHeartKabal or Esteemed Lenglon.

What's your thinking on Esteemed Lenglon?  And do we know your thinking on Esteemed BlackHeartKabal?

[Maximum Spin]

It's pretty simple. One of them has to be lying.

[Mamobo]

Vote Count
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-> Secretdorf       --4-- BlackHeartKabal*, Lenglon*, notquitethere*, Imp*,
BlackHeartKabal     --3-- Elephant Parade*, hector13*, The Canadian kitten*,
Knightwing64        --1-- Jim Groovester*,
Elephant Parade     --0--
hector13            --0--
Imp                 --0--
Jim Groovester      --0--
Lenglon             --0--
Maximum Spin        --0--
notquitethere       --0--
The Canadian kitten --0--
ToonyMan            --0--
No One              --0--

Not Voting          --7-- Maximum Spin*, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, ToonyMan,

8 to Hammer. Day ends on December 30, 2023 at 18:00 Central Standard Time (0 hours and 32 minutes remaining.)

[Maximum Spin]

Esteemed BlackHeartKabal.
The rest of you, take your pick.

[notquitethere]

I'm thinking through all the possibilities, but I can't come up with one where I wouldn't vote either Esteemed BlackHeartKabal or Esteemed Lenglon.

I must be hopelessly lost here. My understanding was you thought Lenglon had got "has a chat" and "doesn't have a chat" with BHK and Jim, and EP says Jim has a chat as a mason, so

1. Where's the contradiction/lie?
2. If EP is telling the truth, how can BHK be mafia?

What am I missing Max? I want to make the right call today...

[Maximum Spin]

I must be hopelessly lost here. My understanding was you thought Lenglon had got "has a chat" and "doesn't have a chat" with BHK and Jim, and EP says Jim has a chat as a mason, so

1. Where's the contradiction/lie?
2. If EP is telling the truth, how can BHK be mafia?

What am I missing Max? I want to make the right call today...

If that happened, EBHK was definitely visited and by that worthy's own claims, should have been roleblocked. EBHK insists on having marked Esteemed Lenglon and not being roleblocked instead.

[Maximum Spin]

To be clear, EBHK still wouldn't have a groupchat, but I don't really see any town reason for such a lie.

[BlackHeartKabal]

I must be hopelessly lost here. My understanding was you thought Lenglon had got "has a chat" and "doesn't have a chat" with BHK and Jim, and EP says Jim has a chat as a mason, so

1. Where's the contradiction/lie?
2. If EP is telling the truth, how can BHK be mafia?

What am I missing Max? I want to make the right call today...

If that happened, EBHK was definitely visited and by that worthy's own claims, should have been roleblocked. EBHK insists on having marked Esteemed Lenglon and not being roleblocked instead.

I'm telling you what happened. Unless you're suggesting that I'm mafia and not in a groupchat, I'm not sure what to say to disprove your assumption, sadly.

[Maximum Spin]

I'm telling you what happened. Unless you're suggesting that I'm mafia and not in a groupchat, I'm not sure what to say to disprove your assumption, sadly.

Well, then you better start convincing me that it's Lenglon, I guess.

[ToonyMan]

I don't feel very decisive.

I don't see how BlackHeart survives here because Secretdorf can very easily vote them five times.

[notquitethere]

BHK, I've gone back and looked at your claim. You're saying Lenglon must not have visited you.

Max, I'm pretty sure you're saying that your night information confirms that Lenglon did visit BHK? Is there another way it could have come about?

If not, then (incomprehensible role shenanigans aside) BHK must be lying here.

[Imp]

What I think I understand is that Esteemed Maximum Spin claims a result that proves to him:

1) Esteemed Lenglon must have visited Esteemed BlackHeartKabal, unless something outside of Esteemed Maximum Spin's understanding happened.  Furthermore, Esteemed Maximum Spin is sure he was redirected, and believes Esteemed hector13's action caused this redirection of himself, so there is some degree of inferring and room for error here (but apparently not about what is claimed is sure).

However:

1) Esteemed Lenglon claims 'I targeted Maximum Spin, and got a weird result on 2 people where I expect 1 result, plus it's 'has/doesn't have a private chat', plus I picked up a mark.'
2) Esteemed BlackHeartKabal claims 'I targeted Lenglon and gave only a mark, not a roleblock, and am sure I was not visited by anyone alive.'

So Esteemed Maximum Spin says one of them lies for sure.

I wonder if there could be anything that is not understood.

[ToonyMan]

This is all kinds of funky because Secretdorf is not anti-Town either if the Canadian Kitten's results are accurate. This is a stronger result than BlackHeart not being in a groupchat, but still means neither are Mafia.

[hector13]

If everyone votes for Esteemed Secretdorf he can kill himself and shoot Esteemed BlackHeartKabal and then Esteemed Knightwing64 gets modkilled.

Three birds and one stone.

Bonus that I get a lot of suspicion tomorrow if Esteemed Crystalizedmire gets banished again. Wins for everyone.

[Imp]

I don't feel very decisive.

I don't see how BlackHeart survives here because Secretdorf can very easily vote them five times.

Willing to support me this time?  I won't be offended if not, and I don't expect you to.