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[hector13]

How’s about I rescind my demand for a vote count?

[Imp]

Seems fine whether you offer or not.  This was the original claim in any case:

I also gain an additional vote every time I post a vote count when one has been asked for.

He never was said it was the asking, but the answering.  Plus Esteemed EuchreJack requested one twice D1, and Esteemed Jim Groovester implied a possible request for one D1, but someone else saw and provided before Esteemed Secretdorf replied in the thread, there's no clear indication if Esteemed Secretdorf even saw any of the requests.

And we saw Esteemed Secretdorf with one vote D2, having claimed:

I guess I should go ahead and claim then: I did nothing last night. My role's more day oriented, and my night actions have to be used at the right time, or they may cause harm rather than good.

Hey, Secretdorf, you currently appear pretty concerned about Esteemed CrystalizedMire and Esteemed BlackHeartKabal in terms of 'scum likely there'.

Is this a new realization?  How does this compare to your claim about why you picked Esteemed Knightwing64 for your vote theft choice?  If your thoughts changed, what triggered that change?

Again, my goal is to see as you see.  Think like you think, and see why you're doing what you're doing, why you make the choices you make.  It's how I anything-hunt.  It's not even scumhunting in a game like this, because I'm aware I might find things besides town or scum.  I'm just as happy to recognize town as I am to recognize anything else.

[hector13]

Anyway. I will regret this, but I’ll ignore it if I do.

Esteemed Imp, I am lazy, it is the weekend, and I would like to spend time with my family and not incessantly go over the same arguments for inconsequential internet entertainment.

You said you have read through Esteemed Secretdorf’s contributions five times and been unable to draw any town motive from their play.

I would like you to lay out your case against Esteemed Secretdorf in the following format:

• In your own words, write one or two short sentences describing each facet of your case for scumdom, not in spoilers. I have zero interest in a dissertation, if the argument cannot be distilled to a few sentences, it’s not good enough.
• One piece of evidence, most likely in the form of a quote, to support each facet of your case against Esteemed Secretdorf. Trim it down if you have to, you can put it in a spoiler, but don’t put comments in the spoiler. Feel free to write another short sentence or two to illustrate how it supports your case.
• Do not mention at any point he has lots of votes.

You don’t have to put it in a list like that, but I started it thus and PFP so wasn’t going to change it after I started doing all the square brackets.

[hector13]

Imp, you are being incredibly unreasonable and demanding.

You're shitting all over the explanations of people who are providing genuine, good faith answers to the questions you pose, and you are then rejecting those explanations as inadequate because it's not the answer you're looking for, and then demanding they answer the same question again, and demanding they do so in a 'calm' and 'reasonable' fashion.

It is borderline disrespectful.

Also, quoting for truth since I’m apparently super fucking tilted about being accused of bullying.

[Secretdorf]

Here's my thoughts about the living players:

Strong Town:
Toonyman - Confirmed by Lenglon. Day game also reads town to me.
Jim Groovester - I have yet to see anything from him that makes me think he's scum. Except he's stealing the same votes as I am, but it's sofanthiel and knightwing so it's believable.
The Canadian Kitten - Reads town to me. Exposed Sofanthiel. Inspected me green.
Lenglon - Generally seems town to me. I believe the groupchat-inspect claim.
Maximum Spin - Exposed Egan_BW. I believe the flavor cop claim.

Also Town:
Imp - Likely town. Seems to be scumhunting and generally trying to figure things out. But I am not including in strong town due to bias.
Hector13 - Also seems town to me. Pushed Sofanthiel D1. Very respectful and therefore respectable, but again I'd like to be cautious.
Notquitethere - Cleared by Imp's super inspect, but I was formerly suspicious, some of that suspicion still lingers.
Elephant Parade - Reads town to me, but bombs sound sus to me, so I'm going to be cautious for now.
Knightwing64 - Not very sure but I think he's town. Especially as Max confirmed his inspect-peeking claim N1.

Suspicious:
BlackHeartKabal - Claims and reasons are mostly coherent. But I don't see why someone would block Imp, or mark Lenglon. I guess it is possible for someone to have a view of the game like that, but seems the least townie to me atm.
Crystallizedmire - Absent for 2 days. Don't know much, thus the suspicion.

If mafia is not among these 2, I think it's among Knightwing, ElephantParade, and maybe Hector, but I'm much less suspicious of them. And I hope Knightwing will speak before nightfall.

[hector13]

If Esteemed Knightwing64 doesn’t post can we have a modkill? He hasn’t been on in two days, which is how long the days are now. Can’t be having that.

[Jim Groovester]

I kind of think if we lynched the least active players in order we'd probably win the game pretty readily.

[notquitethere]

Will he Beetlejuice?

KnightWing

[Imp]

Esteemed Secretdorf, do you think we should we lynch the Esteemed Knightwing64 today?

[Imp]

Reads summary:

I know to be town:
Esteemed notquitethere:  "Finally confirmed town.  Not much else to say right now."
Esteemed Imp:   "I sure hope everybody knows what they are doing and what everyone has claimed."

Had better be town:
Esteemed Maximum Spin:  The most flavorful ingredient in this entire stew.
Esteemed ToonyMan:  If we are all flavors, this one keeps stirring the pot.

Is probably town:
Esteemed The Canadian kitten:  "I may not realize how important I am, or how important I am in finding careless killers."
Esteemed Lenglon:  "Man my abilities are confusing, and I'm not sure who to trust with this information.  Should I risk taking it to deadchat instead of sharing with the class?"
Esteemed Elephant Parade:  "I keep forgetting to say, but being confirmed town would really help.  Also, I'll keep pinning scum, you're all welcome."

I don't know what to think:
Esteemed Jim Groovester:  "I hate Imp challenging Secretdorf's townieness more than I hate Secretdorf miracle-stealing my votes each day, which I don't actually hate."
Esteemed hector13:  "I've got secrets and an agenda, and nobody can confirm anything but my first move.  Also, Imp, just ignore Secretdorf, too townie to be scum."
Esteemed Secretdorf:  "I just gotta convince them I'm town and I win.  Why isn't it working on Imp?  This is too much work.  I really gotta?  K, team, thanks for telling me what to say."
Esteemed BlackHeartKabal: "Just a pit stop to find a survivor, don't mind me, not here long, anyone got a map or a survivor?"

Probably leaving play:
Esteemed CrystalizedMire:  "I am an ant-sized ant being roleblocked at night and banished by day.  Help?"
Esteemed Knightwing64:  "Just the facts, and not 100+ pages of them.  Yeah, so, I'll pretend I'm still banished except for my nightgame."

What everyone has claimed:

Spoiler: D4: (click to show/hide)

D4 facts:

No deaths.
Esteemed CrystalizedMire is again banished.
Esteemed Secretdorf has 5 votes, 2 more than the day before
Esteemed Jim Groovester, known for vote stealing, has one vote.
Esteemed Knightwing64 has no vote.

D4 claims so far:

Esteemed Jim Groovester claims attempted votesteal on Esteemed Knightwing64 and says didn't get targeted with the targeted 'Esteem' ability from Esteemed hector13.

Esteemed hector13 claims to have targeted Esteemed Jim Groovester with an ability granting power that appears to have succeeded, however a disturbed Esteemed Maximum Spin claims to have received it instead.

Esteemed BlackHeartKabal claims to have marked, not roleblocked Esteemed Lenglon

Esteemed Elephant Parade 'I roleblocked (and bombed) CM again.'  Appears to indicate they did this because they think that person is scum.

Esteemed Imp claims to have properly 'Esteemed Webadict inspected' Esteemed notquitethere, and gotten the definite and certain result 'town'.

Esteemed Knightwing64 [not yet spoken]

Esteemed Lenglon "I had strange results last night, I was marked for death, and my action was repeated despite me not double-actioning. I'd like to sit on my information until some more claims have been made before sharing if nobody minds."  "Max: I targeted you, I was fulfilling my D1 implied promise of checking the miller claims."

Esteemed Maximum Spin (to Esteemed Lenglon) "I certainly know that you used your chat-detector and it hit two players, but I don't know whom."  Also says they didn't target Esteemed Lenglon, and were redirected, probably by Esteemed Hector13.

Esteemed notquitethere reports that Esteemed Toonyman targetted Esteemed Imp.

Esteemed Secretdorf says stole Esteemed Knightwing64's vote.

Esteemed The Canadian kitten investigated Esteemed Secretdorf, got result 'town'. (note can be redirected, is not a super inspect.)

Esteemed ToonyMan "I only targeted Imp" for protect/heal.

Spoiler: D3: (click to show/hide)

D3 facts:

Esteemed Webadict was killed as a very simplified Warehouse 13.
Esteemed The Canadian kitten was killed, revived. (the cat came back?)
Esteemed Crystalizedmire and Esteemed Kightwing64 went missing.
Esteemed Secretdorf had 3 votes, Esteemed sofanthiel had none, everyone else had the expected 1.

D3 claims:

Esteemed Imp:  Whut?  Oh, it's all so simple now.  Plus, 2 visitors to Esteemed ToonyMan last night and all I got was this lousy t-shirt of a new role.

Esteemed Toonyman:  Bus and swap between Esteemed Webadict and Esteemed Imp.

Esteemed Secretdorf:  'I am a vote stealer.  Somehow I got 2.' (blatant twinsie of Esteemed Jim Groovester's N1 claim)

Esteemed Jim Groovester:  Attempted to steal Esteemed Sofanthiel's vote, and gained an 'infestation' on his gun.

Esteemed Elephant Parade:  Blocky-bombing Esteemed BlackHeartKabal and got some creepy spirit voodoo (same as we saw before?  Still not actually word-for-word confirmed but expected to be based on claims)

Esteemed Maximum Spin:  Repeated an action, gained knowledge of flavor, and protected someone.

Esteemed Lenglon:  'Esteemed Toonyman is not in a group chat.'

Esteemed The Canadian kitten:  Inspects Esteemed Sofanthiel, dies and revives.

Esteemed notquitethere:  Blocked Esteemed BlackHeartKabal and gained 'Marked By Death'.  Confirms has vote again after it was gone D2.

Esteemed sofanthiel:  laughter and no comment about night activities.  "I will reveal that information exclusively if I deem doing so beneficial or vital.  Neither is the case right now."

Esteemed hector13:  Targeted Imp for whatever (bus means likely redirected to Esteemed Webadict)

Esteemed BlackHeartKabal: Ghost blocked by being visited by living, now has a bomb on their vessel (racecar).

Spoiler: D2: (click to show/hide)

D2 Facts:

Esteemed sofanthiel was killed and revived N1.  (probably from their on/off power)
Esteemed Jim Groovester had 3 votes, Esteemed notquitethere had none, all others had the expected 1.

D2 claims:

Esteemed Imp:  Roleblocked, gained and lost status 'Marked By Death', gained a ability from Hector13.  Given much flavor of Hector13.

Esteemed Toonyman:  "I protected Imp last night. Nothing else happened."

Esteemed hector13:  Gave an 'Esteemed' ability to Esteemed Imp who confirms that happened and uncertainly thinks is probably beneficial, but notes cannot confirm any of the claims made about this thing.

Esteemed CrystalizedMire:  Roleblocked and given a bomb.  Claimed targeting "visiting" Esteemed hector13, did not state purpose of visit.  Only said this about Esteemed hector13 that day, so not clear purpose for target:

hector13 seems to be town but unfortunately, my lack of patience makes it hard for me to fully absorb them

Esteemed Elephant Parade:  "I roleblocked and planted a bomb on CM because I found her the most suspicious of the low-heat players and figured it would be a low-heat player who performed the mafiakill."

Esteemed The Canadian kitten:  "I am the Cat Came Back" and roleblocked while visiting Esteemed Sofanthiel (note is investigative in nature, and likely affected by Egan's nightkill + 'merged target' between Esteemed Sofanthiel and Esteemed notquitethere that happened N2?)

Esteemed Jim Groovester:  "I stole sofanthiel's vote before you ask, but as far as I know I only stole one singular vote so I don't know where the third vote came from or why sofanthiel still has a vote."

Esteemed Secretdorf:  "As might be obvious, I do not have any definite scumreads"

I have nothing significant to share.

I do not have any specific preferences although it would be bad to lose Webadict, Jim or lenglon. They seem most likely town to me. I did not think I would be killed because I have not claimed any threatening abilities and people in general are finding me pretty suspicious so mafia would probably want to use me as a mislynch.

As for why I said Jim's going to be nightkilled, Jim just seemed town to me. And I doubted anyone was going to protect him.

Esteemed Egan_BW:  Not claimed, but surely used the nightkill. OR someone else used their nightkill and they used their 'double up tomorrow' ability, or who knows.

Esteemed notquitethere:  "I do know that Elephant Parade didn't try to kill me or Sofanthiel." later directly claimed "Tracked EP"

Esteemed Knightwing64:  "I have an ability that let’s me see if my target inspected anyone and what the results of that inspection was."  Seems to have targetted Esteemed Webadict.

Esteemed sofanthiel: Scum weirdness -

I did perform an action during my hibernation, but that plan has yet to come to fruition, which is why I am not going to claim any night actions yet.

I know that I'm being truthful (all I received was a bite of flavor text), and you claiming to be certain that I'm withholding some details means one of two things:
1. You're trying to maliciously throw me under the wagon by portraying me as deceitful, or...
2. You know more about my night activities than I do; however, you mistakenly assumed that I too have access to that intelligence.

Esteemed ImpWebadict: 

Oh look, Egan_BW WAS a suspect, and Jack wasn't.  I'd also like to point out that this makes ToonyMan a likely ally of Egan.  If only we listened to me more often.

Knightwing is Town, btw.

I was Roleblocked.  My assumption is that I was Roleblocked by the same thing that Roleblocked The Canadian kitten, which is why Maximum Spin has information I don't.  Additionally, this is why Knightwing64 got no information.  Crystalizedmire solved that one pretty simply.

I'm pretty sure sofanthiel is scum.  In fact, it's entirely possible that it only looked like TCk got Roleblocked, and sofanthiel was actually hit by the die-and-revive.

Esteemed BlackHeartKabal:  Didn't claim D2, but revealed D3 to have targeted Esteemed Imp for roleblock/Marked By Death.

Esteemed Lenglon: Tracked the Esteemed hector13 to Esteemed Imp.

Esteemed Maximum Spin:  Sees a lot of interesting actions in the night, 'If I am not mistaken, Egan_BW attempted to kill notquitethere but accidentally killed sofanthiel.'  'I know what happened but don't worry about it. It wasn't me, to be clear.' 'Knightwing is Town, btw.'  'I'm concerned that Knightwing might be in a similar boat to TricMagic re: being able to stop being town.'  'CERTAIN visitors of Steamed Sofanthiel got roleblocked. No, it wasn't me doing it, but I saw it happen. You'll understand after the lynch so there's no point in me leaking information right now.' 'the way I learned all these actions. That's the main thing I can do besides passively protect.'  'To make a long story short, the mafiakill caused the blocking because of its power.  Unrelatedly, I'm more sure that sofanthiel is up to something shady now.'

I do believe this is the accurate current votecount:

Knightwing64 (5):  Jim Groovester, Elephant Parade, hector13, Lenglon, notquitethere,
Secretdorf (3):  Imp, BlackHeartKabal, Maximum Spin,
BlackHeartKabal (0):
hector13 (0):
notquitethere (0):
Elephant Parade (0):
Imp (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
Lenglon (0):
Maximum Spin (0):
The Canadian kitten (0):
ToonyMan (0):

No Execution (0):

8 votes to hammer.  (15 votes in play)

Not Voting (7): Secretdorf, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, The Canadian kitten, ToonyMan,

[Secretdorf]

Esteemed Secretdorf, do you think we should we lynch the Esteemed Knightwing64 today?

If he doesn't post at all, he's as good a choice as any. I hope that will not be the case here, because I'll be one little step closer to death.

[Imp]

If he doesn't post at all, he's as good a choice as any. I hope that will not be the case here, because I'll be one little step closer to death.

Other than 'fun and excitement', why have you been playing as you have been, with what you're doing with 'get more votes' 'whoa stop getting votes'?

[Mamobo]

Vote Count
------------------------
-> Knightwing64     --5-- Elephant Parade*, hector13*, Lenglon*, notquitethere*, Jim Groovester*,
Secretdorf          --3-- Imp*, BlackHeartKabal*, Maximum Spin*,
BlackHeartKabal     --0--
Elephant Parade     --0--
hector13            --0--
Imp                 --0--
Jim Groovester      --0--
Lenglon             --0--
Maximum Spin        --0--
notquitethere       --0--
The Canadian kitten --0--
ToonyMan            --0--
No One              --0--

Not Voting          --7-- Secretdorf, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, The Canadian kitten, ToonyMan,

8 to Hammer. Day ends on December 30, 2023 at 18:00 Central Standard Time (7 hours and 39 minutes remaining.)

[notquitethere]

Okay let's tie it 4-4

   Secretdorf

See what happens.

[BlackHeartKabal]

But BHK hasn't answered my question Why do you guys always hammer before people answer my questions 

What question have I missed? I reread the thread and can't find it.

Esteemed BlackHeartKabal: "Just a pit stop to find a survivor, don't mind me, not here long, anyone got a map or a survivor?"

What precisely does this mean? Do you think I'm looking too much towards others?

I don't much see the point in a lynch on Knightwing, assuming that they'll be modkilled, But pending the death of Secretdorf, I'm not really certain on leads save for those that Webadict explicitly said were masons with him - unless there's conversion, I'm not really sure about lynches on Jim and Spin, unless I've missed something that discredits Webadict's mason claim. Presuming that Lenglon isn't interrupted again, perhaps she could investigate one of the two. Spin in particular outright killed Egan, which, barring a bus, excludes them from at least one scum team - but we only have so many players, and the game is still going...

And then there's the concern about dead players acting, too. I can't really determine our path to victory, but maybe I'm overthinking things.

Imp - Likely town. Seems to be scumhunting and generally trying to figure things out. But I am not including in strong town due to bias.

How does bias preclude someone from being town? I think that you can not like someone for the time being but still acknowledge their alignment independent of that.

Okay let's tie it 4-4

   Secretdorf

See what happens.

What are you thinking with happen, NQT?