You had good knowledge of the alignments in play due to your role, and you yourself admitted to me that you had an agenda are mental the highlights when I think of you. You thunderdomed hard with Jack, and Jack's... response tilted things against him, which put Jack in the spotlight for most of that time. There were things with you that had me ticking like a metronome between "Imp is a cornerstone of the Town and probably trustworthy" and "This is the exact sort of person that's going to kill everyone else when we hit sub-seven players". You pick up on Sofanthiel before most of the others for being too cagey and not giving as much as they wanted to grab, but you urge the SK to target pirates, but you act independently and focus on investigation, but you admit to me you have an agenda when I tell you I suspect you of being a third party.
In terms of "one hell of a bus being memorable and detailed", what's not obvious? It would be one hell of a bus if you two were scum because, if you both are, then that means that, by the first day, you were trying to get them killed for credibility, which would be a ruthless and very high risk, high reward play. I don't think that's the case now, though.
To my thinking I sure did explore the Esteemed Euchrejack's thinking and understanding of why he did what he did/said what he said. To me that's not thunderdoming - it's nearly identical what you and I are doing now, except I had more to go on related to that person's claims and everyones' memories are fresher.
To my thinking, I barely exchanged interactions with the Esteemed Sofanthiel back on D1. I did join third on the pressure on him, and unlike the other two pressure voting, I had multiple questions with my vote as well as a read on him.
You follow up a couple hours after that read and questions but quote me from an earlier post - where I am still flipping out about the Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist maybe having no anti-town in play yet, maybe just all town that can turn and allies or something - which now that my role is gone none might see why I wondered that, having seen my own role and the Esteemed TricMagic's -
But you somehow turn this into the idea of if it can clear the Esteemed sofanthiel.
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Horses and zebras. My idea of it, presuming prior theories of two scum teams is correct, is that Jack is meant to build his own scum team on the first night - which, if correct, makes this an effective four in one. I do hope that I'm not tunneling on the potential value of this, though.
This doesn't clear sofanthiel if Jack flips scum
I don't even see the connection.
Just a few hours later, same chronological day, the Esteemed Hector13 also gives a read and some questions on the Esteemed Sofanthiel, which bothered me a bit at the time because it's nearly identical to my own. However, I do think it's likely independent work, though I had to think about that a bit.
I'm surprised you're so focused on my 'focus' on the Esteemed Sofanthiel day 1 though. Near as I can tell, I checked him out like other players, and my focus went to the Esteemed CrystalizedMire and the Esteemed Secretdorf.
So, here's a quote of my early read of that worthy, which you weirdly responded to a bit after with the idea of if the Esteemed EuchreJack's flip as scum could clear the Esteemed Sofanthiel.
Please do us a kindness and explain your thinking, and help me see what I got right about this person, so early?
Let's not entirely forget CrystalizedMire, in case, but, maybe 3 works even better. Sofanthiel?
Hey buddy!
Here's my current read of you.
Came in with roleplay, switched to standard proceedure. Y'vote Maximum Spin as you answer RVS, but you don't question them.
I know that you say have fun beside Elephant Parade, and you appear to rolefish at EP
Elephant Parade, Is your ability offensive or defensive? Who do you plan to use it on? Is my 2nd question even applicable to your secret power?
but you don't seem to like me asking you even what you were thinking -
Role fishing is considered a scum move because the mafia would know who to target. Also, I'm pretty sure we have this kind of talk before
If my role PM is anything to go by, this game seems exponentially more complex than that. 
What were you thinking about and referring to when you said this?
I deliberately chose to omit such details; asking me to elaborate seems like an attempt to fish out my role.
Huh, so, it's okay if you do it, but not others. Also, no. I wanna know what you were thinking. Are you thinking only about your role? CrystalizedMire talked to you about rolefishing. You answer oddly. I ask you about what you're thinking; you suggest I'm rolefishing. I'm asking you what your thoughts are. If you submitted 'My thoughts' as your role, well, whoops. I wasn't going for that. But surely you have non-classified thoughts too? Anything?
After all, you chose to not omit such details when you said what you said. Why say it? Just having funsies?
But what about your wincon, and your scumhunting? You do this:
In fact, Max might actually be more likely to speak if I don't make what I want to hear so obvious. 
I step forward, take a heroic pose, and say, "Then I have no choice but to take on the duty of enforcing it!"
So... my read ends with thinking you intend to coast into D2, that that's your strat. Others can scumhunt, others can work. You'll just take what looks good, and play, and look boldly heroic where it's not clearly work at all.
What do you think of that read?
What do you think about making that impression?
What are you going to do?
Firstly - what is thunderdoming, then?
Second - you pressure him, you vote him, you ask him questions that, to my memory, there were no satisfactory answers to. Is that not the definition of a good lead? What has Sofanthiel done to dissuade voting them? What have they done to make any of us think that they're town in a sense beyond "I need to convince the others I'm on their side to cover my own arse"?
In terms of your theory of there being no anti-town, it isn't a bastard, and besides that, I think the game would have just ended if there were no anti-town players. In a word, ignorable, if I were particularly dismissive.
Regarding you and hector, yes, they were both the same questions, but hector was never suspicious to me, and your questions were posted first to begin with. I've outright said that I consider hector to be town, and I trust his reads - so that both of you focused on Sofanthiel early made it a good lead to follow, barring the concluded unlikely circumstance that both you and Sofanthiel were scum. Even if hector were suspect, then the only thing that would matter in that regard would be copying your reads - but he wouldn't. As you pointed out, he likely came to the same conclusion independently. Which, again, wouldn't just happen without a reason. What's the issue here? And, following that, what gives the impression that just because I'm focused on you and Sofanthiel doesn't mean I consider Mire and Secretdorf suspects as well? We can't do everything all at once - we have a system of days and nights that provide us limited opportunities to do things, and the priority is not just in finding scum and hostile thirds, but also prioritizing order of investigation and elimination one we have that info, in this case.
And yes, I said that Jack's fate doesn't clear Sofanthiel if Jack flips scum, so
regardless, we should not lose focus on Sofanthiel. I don't actually get what you're trying to point out, if anything. Both your and Hector's reads of Sofanthiel don't seem fundamentally erroneous, and I don't get why I have to disparage the accuracy of one to proclaim faith in the other. I have to reiterate, because I don't get what you're trying to get out of this other than my thought process and priorities - what are you trying to do?
At the heart of the Sofanthiel vote, if you're curious about that, we've gone through the whys. We're at the why nots. If you're questioning my voting Sofanthiel, question the why nots.
NQT's vote for Canadian isn't easy for me to get either, with everything we considered.
On D1? EOD was at like 3AM my time, I was fast asleep and couldn't react to whatever developments.
BHK, why are you posting competently now but were absent almost all of D2? Two players blocking you a wakeup call?
I was, to say the least, a mix of bewildered at Jack not flipping scum, and quite peeved with Webadict's commentary on participation and the Jack vote. I still am, on the latter, actually.
And yeah, I can get that. My sleep schedule isn't consistent, I'd imagine a timezone not in line with Fallacy's would further complicate that. I just don't see why Canadian was that much of a priority.
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