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Vote Count
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-> Egan_BW          --7-- Maximum Spin*, Jim Groovester*, Jim Groovester*, Jim Groovester*, BlackHeartKabal*, webadict*, Lenglon*,
Crystalizedmire     --2-- Elephant Parade*, Imp*,
webadict            --2-- Knightwing64*, Secretdorf*,
Elephant Parade     --1-- Crystalizedmire*,
BlackHeartKabal     --0--
hector13            --0--
Imp                 --0--
Jim Groovester      --0--
Knightwing64        --0--
Lenglon             --0--
Maximum Spin        --0--
notquitethere       --0--
Secretdorf          --0--
sofanthiel          --0--
The Canadian kitten --0--
ToonyMan            --0--
No One              --0--

Not Voting          --5-- Egan_BW, hector13*, sofanthiel, The Canadian kitten, ToonyMan,

9 to Hammer. Day ends on December 23, 2023 at 23:30 Central Standard Time (~50 hours remaining).

[Secretdorf]

Max: I cultivate the Dao of votes. I submitted random nonsense and got that...
Imp:My role's not even remotely related with Death or anything like that.
I'll address other questions in another post.

[Maximum Spin]

Hey, Imp, I have a story for you to dream if you want to try it. I don't know what it'll do, but I'm pretty sure it'll be hilarious and maybe resurrect TricMagic. And it goes a little something like this:
Trogdor was a man. I mean, he was a dragon-man. Or maybe he was just a dragon. But he was still TROGDOOOOOOR!
Burninating the countryside! Burninating the peasants! Burninating all the people, and their thatched-roof cottages!
THATCHED-ROOF COTTAGES!
And the Trogdor comes in the NIGHT!

[Secretdorf]

I'd like to suggest that the people who voted EuchreJack not be allowed to talk Today, unless they accurately defend why they ignored five people with solid logic and meta reading and proceeded to vote for someone who was absolutely Town.

I blame tunnel vision for the most part. It just didn't make sense why Jack would be so angry at everyone and ask for modkill if he was town. Like he could have roleclaimed, although I'm not sure how much it would've helped. (Jack did say later that he was enraged by the lurkers(including me) jumping on his wagon saying he scumslipped, that does make sense, sorry Jack.)

I have been thinking about it and Secretdorf gives me scummy vibes I can't really explain. Might just be their username and avatar being shady to be honest.

Usernamism and Avatarism are unholy sins! But that might partly explain why I'm being associated with Death.

Hey, Imp, I have a story for you to dream if you want to try it. I don't know what it'll do, but I'm pretty sure it'll be hilarious and maybe resurrect TricMagic.

I advise against it. It will complicate matters too much.

I'll rather not claim my night action . It is not related with other people's claimed actions and is not helpful in deciphering what happened last night. However, if someone still wants me to claim, I will.

I still have some doubts but I'm willing to trust webadict and go with an Egan elimination for now. It seems pretty obvious Sofanthiel is hiding things but that is a matter for another day.

Unvote

[hector13]

It isn’t a matter for another day, we can deal with it now. Esteemed Egan_BW will probably be the lynch, especially if they don’t show up, but we can certainly show Esteemed sofanthiel they’re not going to slip into the background that easy.

[Imp]

Egan_BW performed the Mafiakill and is thus scum.

Thank you, Esteemed Webadict. 

Spoiler: questions within, miss only if it pleases you to. (click to show/hide)

Before I cease wondering completely, I do want to ask, and I feel assured you are likely an absolute expert - is there even a chance this could be incorrect?  For example, if you have said that about me, I would have answered only 'here is my story, what I experienced last night.  My roleflip, should I die right now or, as far as I know, at the end of D2 (for do not know what I can promise about the future), will have these details that show I do not currently have a kill, am not currently of any red faction (and am indeed town), and otherwise that you are somehow completely mistaken.  How can we resolve what actually happened, presuming the answer isn't a lie on either of our parts?'

I note that the Esteemed Egan_BW hasn't done any such thing as I would, or any other thing really, except lie as if a drugged newborn lamb beside the slaughter-block.  And I recall that much seemed to happen D1 to take the wind out of that one's sails, or steal the magic from their tower, or whatever else their reality experiences.  So this isn't necessarily about 'I was caught using a scum nightkill', because it started before that could have been noticed.

Makes me want to check, because if D2 ended right now I would personally go, "Oh, okay," about nearly any flip the Esteemed Egan_BW made, and I wouldn't be surprised at seeing a scum flip, a hunter flip, or a town flip.  But I would, if not seeing scum, wonder like mad about what was up with your report about the use of a scum nightkill, because I would be far more surprised at your report, and be trying to understand how that happened.

This thinking led me to fight to preserve the Esteemed EuchreJack despite the various clues that painted that one's neck ripe for the noose, and indeed their reactive squalls were part of the rich tapestry of our shared adventure ... and didn't make me think 'head off, yawn'.  I have far less information about the Esteemed Egan_BW, but my same thinking style makes me wonder.

Is there nothing to wonder about here, really?  That flip will be scum, no chance of other?

Max: I cultivate the Dao of votes. I submitted random nonsense and got that...
Imp:My role's not even remotely related with Death or anything like that.
I'll address other questions in another post.

Esteemed Secretdorf:

This fascinates me.  I hear you about your claim about your role.  Based on part of what I experienced last night, someone's role is heavily of death, but perhaps it's coincidence I think it you, and I should think something else of you.  Based on your behavior ... Appears to think, then looks alarmed and nauseated and rapidly indicates rejection and denial.  Everything looks off about your behavior to me, but maybe I just don't understand, I have no mechanic to refer to here.

About that random nonsense, why did it please you to submit random nonsense to a game like this... a personal invitation BYOR-sort, and what are you willing to say about that random nonsense which you choose to submit?

Esteemed Maximum Spin:  Oh goodness.  Yes, that does sound something like the Esteemed TricMagic, doesn't it?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Tric:, are you dreaming of eating us all?  Is that how you want this end?

Imp, an assaignment. In 2 paragraphs or less, state what you were thinking of just ignoring my vote on you when I just publicly admitted to being an SK.

Hey, Imp, I have a story for you to dream if you want to try it. I don't know what it'll do, but I'm pretty sure it'll be hilarious and maybe resurrect TricMagic. And it goes a little something like this:
Trogdor was a man. I mean, he was a dragon-man. Or maybe he was just a dragon. But he was still TROGDOOOOOOR!
Burninating the countryside! Burninating the peasants! Burninating all the people, and their thatched-roof cottages!
THATCHED-ROOF COTTAGES!
And the Trogdor comes in the NIGHT!

Well, you see, my Master's th... I mean, I've already offered my dissertation for the consideration of Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist.

But I wrote it with extreme thoughtfulness, in case that matters.  I wrote it fully pro-town and strongly pro-town bindingly pro-town and though there's risk I tried to spread that risk, which I don't even know if I can do.  But whatever wonders might grow, I pray they may be wonders and not horrors, come their growth, whatever grows.

What you wrought, it's as bad as my trying to fill that once-mentioned dream of you as a cult leader, something I as town simply cannot choose to do.

Sighs.  But I as down could and did choose to do what I did do, may it please everyone involved or affected ...

"My death is not the end of our dreams! Witness, a new Townspeople era!" He cackles, and off goes his head.

What if that can be true?

PPE:

Spoiler: Esteemed Secretdorf (click to show/hide)

Usernamism and Avatarism are unholy sins! But that might partly explain why I'm being associated with Death.

Nah, not from me.  it's your behavior.  I read the story of your behavior, Esteemed Secretdorf, and I read... things that scare me and make me think of the ending of many lives.  Added to that, your apparent unconcern and lack of interest in who dies...

Bloody fe.... err, Esteemed Secretdorf, if you were to have 2 votes or 20, I would care even more how you used them than your single one.  Even if you're town and carelessly choosing who to kill, not reading, just ending dreams as pleased you - I hate you.  I want you out of this game.  I reject that, strenuously.  You haven't earned my trust, quite the opposite.  Sadly, I'm no umpire to say 'strike, you're out.'  And I love my own real dream more than that idea, so it's not exactly 'sadly'.

But I regret the Esteemed TricMagic's town death.  And I can't believe I'd regret yours even if I see you flip town, not with your attitude, lack of interest and consideration, urge to clear yourself, and urge to take power and just see others die.  These are dreams here.  What many people really wanted, waited for, and embrace fully. And you're treating them like less than trash, here among us, within this precious, prized experience.  I demanded of you D1 that you show you play towards a wincon I can tolerate, or even embrace.  I still have that requirement, and I'm very careful of what I wish for.

I'll rather not claim my night action . It is not related with other people's claimed actions and is not helpful in deciphering what happened last night. However, if someone still wants me to claim, I will.

I have only one deep interest there.  Is revealing a pro-town action?  Could it help any town now or in the future?  If so, how could you not do so?  If not... why did you do anything that doesn't help town?

Esteemed The Canadian kitten thought their lack of information was worthless.  Oh not, it was also useful.  Are you sure what you could reveal has genuinely no possible pro-town value?  And if so, why did you do something that has no possible pro-town value?

[Maximum Spin]

It surely would help if Steamed Imp could reveal elements of the flavor of the night actions you received.

It would help if others who were acted upon could also do this, such as that bomb business.

[Imp]

It surely would help if Steamed Imp could reveal elements of the flavor of the night actions you received.

It would help if others who were acted upon could also do this, such as that bomb business.

Agreed.  I got 'steamed'.  Most of my flavor was 'of esteem'.  If you wish to call that a characteristic of the Esteemed hector13, I would say 'I think so!'.

The other flavor came from inside the status.  Name, 'Marked By Death', as I know I can share that.  I still must paraphrase the rest, and have done so as accurately as I believe I lawfully can.  It's of death and spirits and being marked, but also was sequentially removed before even my 'steaming' was stated.  And my overall flavor focused fully upon that 'steaming', and was... more than passingly strange but pleasant and I don't object.

And it seems 'markedly' different from the 'of Esteem' flavor, and seems likely independent of.

[Maximum Spin]

Good to know. That's - the Mark - none of the players whose flavor I can presently confirm, but I have theories.

[Imp]

Also, looking back over the Esteemed TricMagic's flip:

(Night) Noxious Neurotoxin Breath [target1][target2]: You breathe out a wave of brain-rotting, noxious fog. Your targets have their actions delayed until the next Night (they are told their actions failed), and gain Fallout Fumes.
(Night) Feverous Fang Bite [target]: You nibble on your target, gently. Your target’s abilities are all Disabled for the Night. If they have Fallout Fumes, you also kill them.

I wonder if it would be odd for a protect+fix power to inflict a status it would then instantly remove.  I am guessing that is unlikely, plus the Marked By Death thing doesn't seem obviously a fit to what the Esteemed ToonyMan claimed.

There's nothing obviously preventing 'getting steamed' from applying that status, except it seems to have no likely connection.

The Esteemed hector13 did not claim roleblocking of me either before or after I stated my experiences of the night.

I wonder if the Marked By Death came with a roleblock, like the Esteemed TricMagic's two quoted powers came with side and direct effects.

[ToonyMan]

@Steamed Imp:
It's worth noting my protection ability has the word "Death" in it. My role is heavily associated with death. Nothing I do would cause status conditions though. I have nothing about a Mark. Plus, I appear to have removed that status condition which would be pretty dumb if I caused it.

Whoever tried to mark Imp hasn't claimed it and is most likely mafia.

Any kill attempt has also remained unclaimed and is most likely mafia. Egan hasn't done anything to argue Max's serious accusation that they performed a mafiakill last night. I think it would be fair to give Egan at least a little time to defend themselves, because we gave Jack so much time. *snicker*


Thoughts on Players in no particular order

Imp - I will continue to protect them so everybody is forced to read their posts, most likely town
Knightwing - tried to copy/steal Webadict's inspect but failed, most likely town I think their enthusiasm in chasing Web is real and independent

Webadict - probably town, unless they aren't
Maximum Ham - claims Egan used a mafiakill

Hector - apparently had the same idea as me to target Imp, can we trust them? do they have anything to do with the Mark or is it a third person?

Jim - got three votes

NQT - tracked Elephant
Canadian Kitten - roleblocked by...someone trying to visit Sofanthiel

Crystal - tried to visit Hector, got bombed and roleblocked by Elephant
Elephant - bombed and roleblocked Crystal

Secretdorf - slenderman
Lenglon - ???
BlackHeart - ???

sofanthiel - won't explain themselves well, doesn't know why they revived??

Egan - probably tried to mafiakill if we believe Max, most likely mafia (Mafia or Pirate?)


@Egan:
You need to help us out here. Is Max's accusation malicious or is he being tricked? Even if you're mafia there's probably another mafia team or something hostile in this game so it is in your advantage to fuck them over. If you tried to kill last night: Did you target NQT or Sofanthiel last night believing they were scum?

[ToonyMan]

The Esteemed hector13 did not claim roleblocking of me either before or after I stated my experiences of the night.

There's a few possibilities:

1. I am lying about how my role works and also role-blocked you (and Marked for Death which was immediately removed).
2. Hector is lying about how his role works and role-blocked you (and possibly Marked for Death too?)
3. A third person Marked you while a fourth person role-blocked you.
4. A third person Marked you and roleblocked you.

I think it's one of these. It's not 1 because I'm not lying. I don't think 2 is that likely. It's probably scenario 4.

[ToonyMan]

@Imp:
Whoever role-blocked you is definitely mafia since it's gone unclaimed. They would be a mafia member that did not perform a kill last night.

[Secretdorf]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Esteemed Secretdorf:

This fascinates me.  I hear you about your claim about your role.  Based on part of what I experienced last night, someone's role is heavily of death, but perhaps it's coincidence I think it you, and I should think something else of you.  Based on your behavior ... Appears to think, then looks alarmed and nauseated and rapidly indicates rejection and denial.  Everything looks off about your behavior to me, but maybe I just don't understand, I have no mechanic to refer to here.

About that random nonsense, why did it please you to submit random nonsense to a game like this... a personal invitation BYOR-sort, and what are you willing to say about that random nonsense which you choose to submit?

I don't know what's off about my behaviour to you. Seems tunnel vision to me. About my role, it's not so random and nonsensical as to be considered inappropriate for submittal as my role. You'll have to wait to see what it is; it's three adjectives before a noun.

Usernamism and Avatarism are unholy sins! But that might partly explain why I'm being associated with Death.

Nah, not from me.  it's your behavior.  I read the story of your behavior, Esteemed Secretdorf, and I read... things that scare me and make me think of the ending of many lives.  Added to that, your apparent unconcern and lack of interest in who dies...

I was unconcerned but that was because who dies in the night is independent of my concern. Should I have pretended otherwise?

Bloody fe.... err, Esteemed Secretdorf, if you were to have 2 votes or 20, I would care even more how you used them than your single one.  Even if you're town and carelessly choosing who to kill, not reading, just ending dreams as pleased you - I hate you.  I want you out of this game.  I reject that, strenuously.  You haven't earned my trust, quite the opposite.  Sadly, I'm no umpire to say 'strike, you're out.'  And I love my own real dream more than that idea, so it's not exactly 'sadly'.

I'm not killing anyone. I'm sure you can agree since only Tricmagic has been killed so far and that was not to my credit.

But I regret the Esteemed TricMagic's town death.  And I can't believe I'd regret yours even if I see you flip town, not with your attitude, lack of interest and consideration, urge to clear yourself, and urge to take power and just see others die.  These are dreams here.  What many people really wanted, waited for, and embrace fully. And you're treating them like less than trash, here among us, within this precious, prized experience.  I demanded of you D1 that you show you play towards a wincon I can tolerate, or even embrace.  I still have that requirement, and I'm very careful of what I wish for.

sigh
Lack of interest and consideration: RIDICULOUS. Sure I was not very proactive D1, kinda bored in fact. But that was D1, and I'm pretty immersed right now. Just drop this already.
Urge to clear myself: What on earth is wrong with this!? Webadict pointed out that I was a suspect for talking about wincons that were not included in town PMs so when Fallacy gave the example mafia PMs I pointed out that they did not have wincon either, so that clears me from being mafia according to webadict's reasoning. I noted that and pointed it out. What is scummy about it? Again, with the votes thing, I merely said that mafia couldn't possibly have so many votes as I can have, so that makes me more likely to be town. But hector said that mafia were known to have a lot of votes in previous games: That does negate or weaken my argument but I said what I did because I believed it true at the time.
Urge to take power: Yeah I still have 1 vote, and it's unlikely I'll be getting any today either. I'm fine with that if it helps people sleep at night.

I'll rather not claim my night action . It is not related with other people's claimed actions and is not helpful in deciphering what happened last night. However, if someone still wants me to claim, I will.

I have only one deep interest there.  Is revealing a pro-town action?  Could it help any town now or in the future?  If so, how could you not do so?  If not... why did you do anything that doesn't help town?

Esteemed The Canadian kitten thought their lack of information was worthless.  Oh not, it was also useful.  Are you sure what you could reveal has genuinely no possible pro-town value?  And if so, why did you do something that has no possible pro-town value?

The only advantage to my revealing will be that the other players can check my claim and determine whether I'm telling the truth or not. Scum will become aware of my night action though. I do not yet have any information that can help town today or any information that could help town in the coming days. So I'm gonna stay silent until somebody wants me to speak. As to why I did something that doesn't help town: I have no other choice.

[Lenglon]

BHK: mind claiming your action last night? I'll claim what info I got once you do.