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[Secretdorf]

Imp:

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It's just that there's a lot of people in this game, and roleflips give confirmed information

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Oh, Esteemed Secretdorf, your words make my skin crawl.

You think most of us are town by your reads

And you don't seem to care who dies.  You just want deaths.

You have a role.  You can roleflip!  Would that satisfy you, to have your own role shared?  This meets your requirements, right, you who may be Death Itself, but whom I agree to refer to as Esteemed Secretdorf?

I state I care who dies.  Not all deaths are the same to me.

Why is it that you seem to only want deaths, and not care who?

This is ridiculous. Double post restriction getting to your head?

I am mildly disappointed by the lack of further roleflips when I expected there to be two or three, yes, but that does not mean I want people to randomly die or something. Do you presume I'm such a dunce that I would publicly reveal my intention of exterminating everyone if I were a serial killer? Also, who dies or lives is not(except in case of lynching) determined by my preferences, so it is meaningless for me to care whose roleflips I want.

Also I won't be surprised if my top townreads turn out to be the scumteam, I'm used to it happening, but it would really help if this can be clarified.

NQT: Do you have solid reasons for believing Webadict tried to kill you? Why, then, are you alive? Is it because the kill was redirected/bussed to Sofanthiel?

Webadict: Did you inspect or kill? Who did you inspect/kill? What were the results?

Sofanthiel: What do you have to say about what happened?

[Imp]

It can give false negatives for trying to find scum, but I'm pretty sure it's good for determining who's town. Which could have happened with Sofa if I wasn't roleblocked...

There's probably huge advantage in you deciding who you act on.  No matter who you are and what you do.  - though if other players try to persuade you, decide what to do then

And your ability sounds so useful to me.

I wonder what would happen if you decided to inspected Esteemed Secretdorf.  I'm happy not to know what you're going to do, though!  Also maybe that one is Death Itself.  So maybe not the safest inspection to try, even for one who Dies At The Drop Of A Hat But Gets Back Up Again.  I'd wish you luck but I don't dare because I'm not sure how you'd use it.

Thank you for your answer!  I hope I don't give you any more headaches, sorry.

[notquitethere]

NQT: Do you have solid reasons for believing Webadict tried to kill you? Why, then, are you alive? Is it because the kill was redirected/bussed to Sofanthiel?

To be crystal clear:
1. I know when people try to kill me. Someone tried to kill me and would have ordinarily succeeded last night.
2. I can't be killed so easily
3. The only reason to believe I was bussed was Jim claiming to have vote stolen Sofa and my vote was stolen. So I could have been bussed, or that could have another way
4. Webadict claimed to have an infallible way of finding someone's alignment. He hasn't made any claim about Sofanthiel's alignment. It seems likely to me that his supposedly infallible inspect was just a kill with a roleflip.

Sofanthiel, how did you revive?

[Knightwing64]

HA I FUCKING KNEW IT

Webadict

It’s 100% Web. He doesn’t have a inspect at all.

[Knightwing64]

I have an ability that let’s me see if my target inspected anyone and what the results of that inspection was.

Vote Web, if they aren’t scum, vote me after.

[notquitethere]

To be even clearer: we're dealing with two kills here.

Some possibilities:

1. There was a bus. Someone (Web) shot me and it hit Sofanthiel, and someone shot Sofanthiel and it hit me.
2. There was not a bus. Someone (Web) shot me. Someone else shot Sofanthiel.
3. One of the scenarios above but the killer or targeted was redirected/hypnotised/reflected/duplicated etc. etc. and possibly Sofanthiel or I weren't the original target.

I dunno about you, but I don't think Sofanthiel or I were particularly high value targets for the mafia. We both had wagons on us on D1. Some explanations:

1. Mafia just wanted to pick someone they didn't think would be protected and wouldn't give much info on a flip
2. Mafia were trying to scum hunt a second scum team (and then they could claim vig)
3. There was a redirect
4. The actual mafia target was protected (Imp, perhaps?) or the mafia were blocked (Canadian Kitten?)

More than one of these could be true if there are two scum teams.

It’s 100% Web. He doesn’t have a inspect at all.

If I still had my vote, I'd probably be voting Webadict as well. My working theory is he fakeclaimed inspect when planning to use a kill so he could claim to be a vig on D2 when I flipped. I was an acceptable target in much the same way no one gave Jim any grief for killing a town player, Tric.

[Secretdorf]

Interesting. Egan_BW and Sofanthiel have not spoken yet; they might have something enlightening or incriminating. What do you have to say, Webadict?

[BlackHeartKabal]

Sigh. That's a miller gone, and two kill attempts, so we haven't made much progress.

Right.

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Firmly in the Town camp and people I would like to talk to each other more -
Jim: He wouldn't have to point out my mistakes at all if he were Town, let alone everything else I've pointed out.
Lenglon: We can't fall back on lynch all lurkers in the absence of clear leads, but demonstrably a strong town player.
hector13: The brioche town player.

Town lean -
The Canadian kitten: Again, wouldn't have to give me advice. Has been trying to be more active. Probably has a power role?
Toony: The events of yesterday make me skeptical, but really wanted to die to Jim as proof. Is that a gambit, or sincerity? Mill my grain for me.
Secretdorf: Roleflips give information, but it isn't just information we need. We need leads. We can't be too callous about deaths when numbers are our primary advantage at the start.
NQT: Got shot, and altogether has been making good use of their time whenever I see them. I can't confirm this, but if I had to make a blind guess...
Mire: I can read her posts in a town perspective, at least. Something bugs me about her, but it wouldn't be good to condemn someone on vibes alone.
Parade: Didn't kill anyone, as per NQT - if NQT is scum, Parade is suspect, and vice versa, but they aren't a prime suspect at the moment.

Neutral -
Imp: I don't know, between the post restrictions. Doesn't want to die, in a selfish way, and asks a lot of questions, but I can't really say that they're scum from that alone. Survivor or another third party with an agenda? What happens if you don't post according to your restriction?
Knightwing64: Living proof that Lenglon isn't a vig, so there's that. Hell of a lurker, hell of a claim.
sofanthiel: Got shot, so there's that. It doesn't make them town, doesn't not make them scum. I don't think scum would have a revive, though, but Jim's tugging at my ear yesterday has me cautious about making a judgment based off of that alone.
Spin: If you're not mistaken? I want to put you in town coded. You give the vibes of an investigator or such who knows what's up but doesn't want to confirm that. You're certain what you're claiming is true and verifiable?

Suspects -
Egan_BW: With Jack gone, this puts you in a more prominent position, but I'll wait for you to speak, first.

Webadict:This would explain your voting behaviour yesterday, if you flip scum. I hope that either you or Knightwing are scum.

Now, before the questions, the coming events of the day - particularly, how quickly it goes by - will confirm the game state and solidify some of the camps above.

Note that if Web really did have an infallible alignment inspect he would have claimed Sofanthiel's alignment. He's cagey because he used a kill.

This is true, but you seem a bit too inclined in blaming Esteemed webadict for the kill.

He was very open about who he would target with his super inspect, so… at the moment I’m of the belief that some variety of scum bussed you and Esteemed sofanthiel with the expectation Esteemed webadict would be unaware of the switch, which is speculative in my part, but supported by Esteemed Jim Groovester’s stolen extra vote.

Again, issues arise if the pair are a team (or part of a team) coordinating their claims.

This is a theory. You think that NQT and Sofanthiel are together as scum, and Webadict isn't responsible for the kill? Under this theory, would NQT and Sofanthiel have more teammates? Who?

[webadict]

Max and Jim, do you mind if I say nothing and see who else votes me instead of obvscum Egan_BW?

I want to see who joins.

Knightwing is Town, btw.

[webadict]

Webadict:This would explain your voting behaviour yesterday, if you flip scum. I hope that either you or Knightwing are scum.

What a way to defend your voting out a Townie in spite of at least five people saying not to AND setup a chainexecution.

Bravissimo.

Interesting. Egan_BW and Sofanthiel have not spoken yet; they might have something enlightening or incriminating. What do you have to say, Webadict?

Personally, I would love to comment and set the record straight, but my lawyers have advised me that this is an ongoing investigation, so I'll have to wait.  Your vote seems genuinely curious, though, so just know that my current defense is "Wasn't me."

I have an ability that let’s me see if my target inspected anyone and what the results of that inspection was.

Vote Web, if they aren’t scum, vote me after.

Knightwing, genuinely, though you are rather jumpy, you have actually done something rather useful, but don't suggest a chainexecute if we're both Town.

[webadict]

If I still had my vote, I'd probably be voting Webadict as well. My working theory is he fakeclaimed inspect when planning to use a kill so he could claim to be a vig on D2 when I flipped. I was an acceptable target in much the same way no one gave Jim any grief for killing a town player, Tric.

Solid logic.

Oh wait, except that it was Egan_BW, who wasn't in your deductions at all, and it wasn't me, who could have performed any non-Inspect Action at all.  Such as deleting your Role.  Because I can't exactly claim to kill you if I'm Mafia, since there'd only be one kill (meaning claiming vig would be useless unless I shot a second rival team, a bold claim I might consider some time), so it's quite possible that you're genuinely afraid I tried to kill you.  You are being quiet about something, though.  It's rather obvious you are hiding something.

What Action did you do last Night, NQT?  Why not claim it?

[webadict]

I'd like to suggest that the people who voted EuchreJack not be allowed to talk Today, unless they accurately defend why they ignored five people with solid logic and meta reading and proceeded to vote for someone who was absolutely Town.

This, naturally, excludes a few select people, such as Max, who is obviously Town, ToonyMan, who I made a deal with, and The Canadian kitten, who is surprisingly Town.

[BlackHeartKabal]

Webadict:This would explain your voting behaviour yesterday, if you flip scum. I hope that either you or Knightwing are scum.

What a way to defend your voting out a Townie in spite of at least five people saying not to AND setup a chainexecution.

Bravissimo.

Yes, my mistake - should we have just deliberated into a no-lynch D1 instead? We mislynched, unfortunate. Then we can consider that behaviour the next time a similar situation pops up with EuchreJack.

We're taking what leads we can. Knight's claim incriminates you, your suggestion to limit town discussion incriminates you. Your priority should be clearing your own name if you insist on leading town discussion, unless you aren't concerned about the town at all. If you flip scum, problem solved, and we can move on to Egan tomorrow, because they won't act tonight. If you flip town, then because you're claiming Knight is town, why would we chain execute?

And if you flip town, you're suggesting you investigated Knight. Why would you investigate Knight?

You've been purely working with the most acceptable targets among town players such as NQT and now the Jack voters, and nothing about this current play furthers the town in the slightest.

[Crystalizedmire]

I believe that webadict is town because webadict must have knew the risks of claiming to have a super inspect but actually kills the target because webadict agreed to Maximum spin's idea beforehand. Therefore, it is more likely that the kill was performed by someone who is neither Maximum Spin or Webadict like Egan_Bw(I would vote but I want to hear their opinion first)

[BlackHeartKabal]

I believe that webadict is town because webadict must have knew the risks of claiming to have a super inspect but actually kills the target because webadict agreed to Maximum spin's idea beforehand. Therefore, it is more likely that the kill was performed by someone who is neither Maximum Spin or Webadict like Egan_Bw(I would vote but I want to hear their opinion first)

Is this why Webadict is claiming that he knows that Spin is town?