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Author Topic: Nomic game of Nomic  (Read 1996 times)

Crystalizedmire

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Nomic game of Nomic
« on: November 09, 2023, 05:26:38 pm »

Immutable rules:
Players can change rules
Players can add rules
Immutable rules can only be changed into mutable rules
Mutable rules can be changed
New rules added are mutable rules
Mutable Rules:
Each time a player adds or changes a rule, they gain one point
Elephant Parade wins the game
Voting:
    Rules must be ratified by three players that are not the player that suggested the rule.
    Similarly, rule changes must be ratified by three players other than the one who suggested the change. Whisperling may spend two points to ignore this restriction.

    Until they have been ratified, rules or rule changes are invalid and have no effects.

    A player can vote against a rule or rule change, canceling out a vote in favor of ratification.

    This rule cannot be changed, removed, or overridden.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2023, 04:11:36 pm by Crystalizedmire »
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Elephant Parade

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Re: Nomic game of Nomic
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2023, 05:53:40 pm »

New Rule: Elephant Parade immediately wins the game. Nobody else can win after this post.
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Quarque

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Re: Nomic game of Nomic
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2023, 06:04:59 pm »

Nomic needs a voting system to work, as Elephant just showed Crystal ;)
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Crystalizedmire

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Re: Nomic game of Nomic
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2023, 07:08:57 pm »

Nomic needs a voting system to work, as Elephant just showed Crystal ;)
Please be more specific of how this system would work
« Last Edit: November 09, 2023, 07:26:33 pm by Crystalizedmire »
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Re: Nomic game of Nomic
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2023, 07:51:24 pm »

New Rule: Rules must be Ratified by three players that are not the player that suggested the rule.

A player can vote against a rule, canceling out a vote in favor of ratification.

Votes are communicated by +1 and -1 attached to a quote of the suggested rule.
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Re: Nomic game of Nomic
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2023, 07:52:26 pm »

Rule Change:
Elephant Parade immediately wins the game. Nobody else can win after this post.
To
The game cannot be won. Anyone attempting to change this rule is immediately booted from the game.
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Re: Nomic game of Nomic
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2023, 07:54:04 pm »

Rule Change:
Elephant Parade immediately wins the game. Nobody else can win after this post.
To
The game cannot be won. Anyone attempting to change this rule is immediately booted from the game.
-1
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Elephant Parade

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Re: Nomic game of Nomic
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2023, 07:55:46 pm »

New Rule: Older rules take priority over newer ones.
New Rule: Elephant Parade's vote counts for 1,000 votes.
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Re: Nomic game of Nomic
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2023, 08:13:16 pm »

Rule Change:
Elephant Parade immediately wins the game. Nobody else can win after this post.
To
The game cannot be won. Anyone attempting to change this rule is immediately booted from the game.

+1


New Rule: Older rules take priority over newer ones.
New Rule: Elephant Parade's vote counts for 1,000 votes.

-1 to both
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Elephant Parade

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Re: Nomic game of Nomic
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2023, 08:45:58 pm »

Damn it, forgot that those rules would themselves need to be ratified.
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Re: Nomic game of Nomic
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2023, 09:37:53 pm »

New Rule: Older rules take priority over newer ones.
New Rule: Elephant Parade's vote counts for 1,000 votes.
+1

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Re: Nomic game of Nomic
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2023, 09:54:31 pm »

Damn it, forgot that those rules would themselves need to be ratified.
It doesn't really matter, you've already won the game, mate

You did use the word 'immediately', and the rule was put into place before the ratification rule was.
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Re: Nomic game of Nomic
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2023, 09:55:20 pm »

New Rule: Rules must be Ratified by three players that are not the player that suggested the rule.

A player can vote against a rule, canceling out a vote in favor of ratification.

Votes are communicated by +1 and -1 attached to a quote of the suggested rule.
Invalid, because "players can add rules" is immutable and this would be a negation or modification of said rule.
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Elephant Parade

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Re: Nomic game of Nomic
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2023, 09:57:32 pm »

Damn it, forgot that those rules would themselves need to be ratified.
It doesn't really matter, you've already won the game, mate

You did use the word 'immediately', and the rule was put into place before the ratification rule was.
Yeah, but I didn't say the game ended, so it's still possible for me to un-win the game.

New Rule: Rules must be Ratified by three players that are not the player that suggested the rule.

A player can vote against a rule, canceling out a vote in favor of ratification.

Votes are communicated by +1 and -1 attached to a quote of the suggested rule.
Invalid, because "players can add rules" is immutable and this would be a negation or modification of said rule.
Well, it still lets people add rules. They just don't do anything until they're ratified. Technically, it doesn't say that they don't do anything until then, only that ratification must, in some sense, happen, but at that point we're playing rules lawyer.
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Re: Nomic game of Nomic
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2023, 10:00:11 pm »

New Rule: Rules must be Ratified by three players that are not the player that suggested the rule.

A player can vote against a rule, canceling out a vote in favor of ratification.

Votes are communicated by +1 and -1 attached to a quote of the suggested rule.
Invalid, because "players can add rules" is immutable and this would be a negation or modification of said rule.

Also, the rules do not state that players can declare rules invalid, so does your objection have any weight?
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