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[force200]

The basic lead slug is already steel cored so I'm not sure a second armor piercing shell is needed.

The point of the armour piercing slug is more about the ferrocerium powder it contains, as it would disperse into a cloud of pyrophoric material on impact and serve as a source of ignition for any combustible material nearby in addition to the core punching through any armour. I called it an armour-piercing slug, but it's actually and armour piercing incendiary one. Also, I specified that it's shaped similarly to a spitzer bullet, so it should be more areodynamic and therefore perform better at higher ranges.

But if it's really redundant, I can remove it or rewite it into a purely incendiary one.

[Maxim_inc]

That sounds like adding another Very Expensive or National Effort ammunition to the mix rather than... improving what we have.

[TricMagic]

Revise the ammo so it's not NE. Making the production easier is a good way of doing that. Which should trickle down to the MG?

[FallacyofUrist]

Revise the ammo so it's not NE. Making the production easier is a good way of doing that. Which should trickle down to the MG?

Fix the thing with using a spring inside the ammo to trigger the explosion.

And then for design phase three, we do something unique, interesting, and technologically explorative. Like hardening-foam grenades, or hyperglass-optics scopes, or harmonic resonance radios.

[force200]

hardening-foam grenades

We're designing equpment for a military here, not the PRT. We don't need weapons designed for capture. Hardening foam sprayers for quick fortification would be much more useful.

[Maxim_inc]

Pękająca Kula Rifle Grenades: Taking from the success of the Piorun's exploding ammunition as a tool of indirect fire and the need of the common infantryman to remove the constant harassment of enemy sharpshooters while still staying in safe cover Pękająca Kula grenades were worked up using the original exploding slug body as used by the Piorun.

Taking a standard hollow lead slug without the explosive filler or brass case included a larger portion of the interior is drilled out with the scrap lead produced recycled back into the war machine. This larger cavity is filled with a TNT filler diluted into Amatol to create a cheaper, more stable and yet just as deadly filler that can find better use pound per pound in this configuration with the hopes of its use spreading to other bursting ammunition, the normal friction impactor cone of the Red Pęknięcie shells but instead with a thin brass cone filled with a small amount of mercury fulminate to detonate the payload upon impact.

These can be launched from any standard issue GSR due to the fact the launcher, a cup (with a gentle twist in it meant to give spin to the still hexagonal slug) designed to fit the PK's connects to the bayonet lug standard on every rifle, ammunition for the GSR loaded to a much higher standard than standard ammunition and clearly denoted by its mix of yellow and black bands (and the lack of any bullet tip instead a simple wax soaked piece of cardboard pressed in to keep pressure and the powder inside before being crimped slightly) preventing any mixup- these higher pressure bullets able to be safely fired thanks to the ability to disable the rifles gas system venting any excess gas and pressure out and safely away from the shooter and preventing the launcher cup from being blown off the rifles bayonet lug and overall lowering the felt recoil of the rifle grenade and the strain put on the wooden furniture.

PK grenades in order to prevent accidental detonations are fitted with a wooden safety cap over the end of the grenades with a wire band wrapped around it to secure the cup tightly that can be removed quickly by a soldier with a few hard twists of the wire to remove it, the cap is sized as to prevent the grenade from being inserted into the cup without removing it to avoid wasting grenades.

These grenades can be carried in a special belt pouch inside containing small wooden plank at the bottom of the pouch allowing for the PK's to be inserted nose first without the wooden cover to  project the shell and allow rapid loading of the PK's
when needed. Due to the locked nature and gas dispersionof the rifle when large rapid bursts of grenades are required and Piorun is not available the operator can load his entire magazine with overcharged rounds and manually cycle the bolt each shot loading the PK's by hand or with an assistant for a short burst of explosive energy. The grenade is fired using the standard rear ladder of the GSR in combination with a front post mounted on the muzzle of the grenade cup.

It is hoped that the measures intended to reduce cost and the small size of these rifle grenades compared to others in current circulation means a soldier can carry a large number of them making every man a walking arsenal.

[force200]

TNT filler diluted somewhat with Amatol ammonium nitrate to create a cheaper, more stable and yet just as deadly filler.

Amatol is the name of the mixture.

[Maxim_inc]

TNT filler diluted somewhat with Amatol ammonium nitrate to create a cheaper, more stable and yet just as deadly filler.

Amatol is the name of the mixture.

I meant into not with, editing that now.

[FallacyofUrist]

hardening-foam grenades

We're designing equpment for a military here, not the PRT. We don't need weapons designed for capture. Hardening foam sprayers for quick fortification would be much more useful.

Foam grenades would weigh less and be easier to carry than a dedicated foam sprayer. We'd be able to issue them broadly instead of having specialized units.

Since we'd be skipping the more difficult process of creating an entire sprayer unit in favor of the simpler grenade apparatus, they'd be simpler to develop.

In terms of offensive utility, they could be used for capture (sometimes it's worth it to take prisoners, for interrogation, ransoming, or re-education), to obscure sightlines, create obstacles, or entrap vehicles. Decent for sabotage as well.

In terms of defensive utility, they could be used to create cover, put out fires, or plug holes in our defenses.

A sprayer would have less range, more difficulty in use, more time taken to use it, and would hamper the soldiers using it from also using a rifle or machine shotgun.

I say we go with the grenades.

[Maxim_inc]

(0) Pęknięcie Production Plan: 
(0) Gryf's Dokładny Rifle:
(0) Pęknięcie Ammunition Glass Core:
(0) Aerodynamic & Armour Piercing Piorun Shells:
(0) Pęknięcie Ammunition Mk2:
(1) Pękająca Kula Rifle Grenades: Maxim
(0) Free Space!

[TricMagic]

(0) Pęknięcie Production Plan: 
(0) Gryf's Dokładny Rifle:
(1) Pęknięcie Ammunition Glass Core: TricMagic
(0) Aerodynamic & Armour Piercing Piorun Shells:
(0) Pęknięcie Ammunition Mk2:
(1) Pękająca Kula Rifle Grenades: Maxim
(0) Free Space!

Foam Grenades, but the foam is acidic and hardening.

[m1895]

(0) Pęknięcie Production Plan: 
(0) Gryf's Dokładny Rifle:
(1) Pęknięcie Ammunition Glass Core: TricMagic
(0) Aerodynamic & Armour Piercing Piorun Shells:
(0) Pęknięcie Ammunition Mk2:
(2) Pękająca Kula Rifle Grenades: Maxim, m1895
(0) Free Space!

[BBBence1111]

The best choice here is reducing the cost of our explosive ammo. Making it VE turns it into an existing threat from our infantry, and makes it merely Expensive on our machine gun, which will not be fun for them. Presuming we roll well, we could see a two tier drop in expense, and with Expensive infantry explosive bullets they will have trouble pushing, while the Cheap Explosive MG ammo means their best bet is designing diapers.

Also, I would rather not introduce new possible points of failure when we have a "free turn" to fix our current issue. It will be harder and harder to justify doing so, when we'll have fifty more critical bugs to go over.

[FallacyofUrist]

The best choice here is reducing the cost of our explosive ammo. Making it VE turns it into an existing threat from our infantry, and makes it merely Expensive on our machine gun, which will not be fun for them. Presuming we roll well, we could see a two tier drop in expense, and with Expensive infantry explosive bullets they will have trouble pushing, while the Cheap Explosive MG ammo means their best bet is designing diapers.

A highly redacted version of this would be a fantastic taunt to post in the main thread. I definitely support simply focusing on simplifying our explosive bullets. I can't really bring myself to like the rifle grenade, because it's just trying to do too many things at once, especially for a revision.

Also, I would rather not introduce new possible points of failure when we have a "free turn" to fix our current issue. It will be harder and harder to justify doing so, when we'll have fifty more critical bugs to go over.

Basically.

Upon revisiting the design of our explosive bullets, it was noticed that the original schematics were swapped for a similar schematic with the noteworthy difference of a large, conspicuous spring. The fact that we made the bullets work despite that handicap was truly wondrous, but no more shall we suffer the tyranny of these bullet-springs.

Remove the springs from the bullets, and smooth the inside corridor such that the detonation rod will be propelled backwards by the force of the bullet's impact against the target, detonating the explosive as usual.

That's it. That's all we need to do to make our explosive ammunition far easier to produce, and therefore more plentiful - bullets and shells alike.

0 - Pęknięcie Production Plan -
0 - Gryf's Dokładny Rifle -
1 - Pęknięcie Ammunition Glass Core - TricMagic
0 - Aerodynamic & Armour Piercing Piorun Shells -
0 - Pęknięcie Ammunition Mk2 -
2 - Pękająca Kula Rifle Grenades - Maxim, m1895
1 - Springless Pekniecie Ammunition - Fallacy
0 - Free Space! -

[BBBence1111]

0 - Pęknięcie Production Plan -
0 - Gryf's Dokładny Rifle -
1 - Pęknięcie Ammunition Glass Core - TricMagic
0 - Aerodynamic & Armour Piercing Piorun Shells -
0 - Pęknięcie Ammunition Mk2 -
2 - Pękająca Kula Rifle Grenades - Maxim, m1895
2 - Springless Pekniecie Ammunition - Fallacy, BBB
0 - Free Space! -