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[Man of Paper]

rules of war

lol
lmao

[FallacyofUrist]

Okay so, I think the GSR getting a +2 in terms of its roll difficulty and the mentions of what the Royal Army testers thoughts of the other submissions gives a good baseline to judge further testing of designs on. I'm of the opinion that the others would have gotten a +0 to a -2 depending on which specific design it was but that's for the GM to disclose at his discretion if he desires.

I think you're misreading the roll a bit.

Preliminary Turn 1 Design Phase - Spring 1912

Proposal: Gryf's Szybki Rifle
Difficulty: Normal
Result: 4+2=6, Average

If you read the OP, it notes that all difficulty rolls are done by rolling 2d6, then a modifier is applied based on the design difficulty.

The difficulty is stated to be 'Normal', so no modifier was applied. This would mean the '4' is the first roll, and then the '2' is the second roll.

rules of war

lol
lmao

Yeah I don't think we need to worry about 'rules' at all, except for physics, and even then only a little bit

Accordingly...

The humble bullet needs no introduction, a tiny bit of metal with explosive built into its rear, so that it may be propelled at grand speeds into the once-living flesh of the wretched Northerners. But now the true trial begins - how can we make the bullet better? How can we turn this already devilish little device into something worthy of our brave soldiers?

Redbird Rounds are our answer to this question. The usually homogenous metal of the bullet-tip is melded together with a phosphorus compound, then a very thin layer of red paint is applied over the bullet. These modified bullets are usually inert, but after being fired, the paint flakes off due to air friction, and the phosphorus-modified bullet then ignites into a brilliant flame. We expect these bullets to inflict horrific (well-deserved) burn wounds and melt any armor or fortification they may come across.

These bullets may be used situationally - while the destruction they inflict is unparalleled, even with a delayed ignition they still make the position of the shooter more obvious, and as such their use should be restrained in situations where stealth is necessary.

[Maxim_inc]

The humble bullet needs no introduction, a tiny bit of metal with explosive built into its rear, so that it may be propelled at grand speeds into the once-living flesh of the wretched Northerners. But now the true trial begins - how can we make the bullet better? How can we turn this already devilish little device into something worthy of our brave soldiers?

Redbird Rounds are our answer to this question. The usually homogenous metal of the bullet-tip is melded together with a phosphorus compound, then a very thin layer of red paint is applied over the bullet. These modified bullets are usually inert, but after being fired, the paint flakes off due to air friction, and the phosphorus-modified bullet then ignites into a brilliant flame. We expect these bullets to inflict horrific (well-deserved) burn wounds and melt any armor or fortification they may come across.

These bullets may be used situationally - while the destruction they inflict is unparalleled, even with a delayed ignition they still make the position of the shooter more obvious, and as such their use should be restrained in situations where stealth is necessary.

Not bad though I question the ability to melt through armor and the fact of being a tracer really isn't good in many circumstances. Here's my take.

While the GSR is a great rifle for the Royal Army the killing power of its rounds is noticeably reduced compared to full power rifle rounds that exert a much larger transfer of energy to the target, and thus a larger temporary and permanent wound cavity. Jakub Gryf was called upon to solve this issue, his solution would be Pęknięcie (Bursting) Ammunition. The central and rear portion of the bullet has been hollowed out and replaced with a charge of of fulminated mercury inside a cup formed from the jacketed lead base of the bullet, the previously rounded nose of the bullet being changed to a spitzer shape that internally houses a steel rod.

When the round makes contact with a solid object, such as bone or traveling through the dense muscles of the torso, the point of the bullet collapses inwards with the steel rod detonating the charge of fulminated mercury instantly and sending copper shrapnel from the jacket into any organs or arteries immediately around the point of detonation and shooting the steel rod that detonated it through the body causing even more terminal damage.

While there are some concerns over the use of such a sensitive material in ammunition the lower power of the 9.5x35mmR rounds of the GSR means that these rounds can be safely fired without concern of the firing detonating the charge. Other concerns about the fact that a pointed bullet tip might cause detonations in the ammunition tube are also calmed by the fact that the 9.5x35mmR is a rimmed cartridge meaning at all times the tip of the round is biased away from the primer of the cartridge in front of it by a combination of simple gravity and pressure from the follower.

This is meant to be seen as additional ammo and not as a complete replacement for the standard ammunition as long as there is not a significant increase in production cost nor a loss of reliability and accuracy. The rounds are marked with a nice red paint adorning the bullet and the base of the cartridge.

[Thanatos Russ]

That went better than I expected, neat.

[Kashyyk]

I guess that rifle is fine. But we need a close range weapon that is more than just an expensive spear.

Proof of the skill and might of our smiths and metallurgists, a "War Blade" is of similar form to the Szybki bayonet, but 120cm long. The steel is carefully heated and folded to make over a thousand layers (only ten folds), and issued in a machine-stitched leather sheath to be worn at the waist.

[Maxim_inc]

I guess that rifle is fine. But we need a close range weapon that is more than just an expensive spear.

Proof of the skill and might of our smiths and metallurgists, a "War Blade" is of similar form to the Szybki bayonet, but 120cm long. The steel is carefully heated and folded to make over a thousand layers (only ten folds), and issued in a machine-stitched leather sheath to be worn at the waist.

I think.... it might be a stretch to give them another longer bayonet when they can just... do the same thing with their normal bayonet when its not fixed?

I'd rather give them special bullets.

[Kashyyk]

Nonsense. What's more lethal and easier to use in melee? A cumbersome two handed stick with a blade on the end, or a single long blade that can be used in one or two hands?

[Maxim_inc]

You're just taking the piss out of it now.

[Thanatos Russ]

Unless they add cavalry, bayonets are rather adequate.
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Anthrax Ammunition
These bullets have a deadly plague strain on them, designed to kill the enemy nation.

We are fighting NSA let us make things the nsa exists to fight.

[TricMagic]

Option C, see about improving range.

No crazy thoughts now, you did go for something normal. More range is rarely a bad thing.

edit, the spitzer bullet sounds fine?


Spiczasty Bullets
Normal bullets are effective, but there are ways to make them better. Pointed bullets can cut through air more easily. Less drag means less speed is lost, and it also flattens their trajectory. This results in more accuracy and range. It's a change that needs research, but this research should prove effective in boosting our weapons across the board.

Simple, clean, effective.

(1) Spiczasty Bullets: TricMagic

Yeah it's not fancy, but revision phase. Not like we're working with anything other than a normal gun. Should be easy enough too.

[FallacyofUrist]

0 - 'Redbird' Rounds -
0 - Pęknięcie Ammunition -
1 - Royal Sidearm "Ostrze Wojenne" - Fallacy
0 - Anthrax Ammunition -
1 - Spiczasty Bullets - TricMagic

Tallied everything so far into a neat votebox.

[TricMagic]

Nonsense. What's more lethal and easier to use in melee? A cumbersome two handed stick with a blade on the end, or a single long blade that can be used in one or two hands?

Technically the stick with a point bit. Swords and shorter blades need training to use effectively. Spears you just poke people with till they die. There is a reason conscripts are given the spear and not the sword. With blades, some idiot is going to cut off something they shouldn't.

[FallacyofUrist]

But Tric, swords are Cool^TM

And we can't revise a spear out of a bayonet, anyways.

[TricMagic]

But Tric, swords are Cool^TM

And we can't revise a spear out of a bayonet, anyways.

Cool went out the window when the normal gun won. At this point just patching in a range/accuracy upgrade to complete the LOGC^TM.

When you go practical, you go the distance. Not swerve into insane ideas. (And Salt.) Pointed bullets are no brainers when there aren't any flaws to creatively fix up. And we will hopefully get a bonus to them given the ease, maybe? COOL^TM is hopefully for next turn.

[Man of Paper]

Tric, you and maxim both need to knock your hardline stances and salt down a fuckin’ step. It’s the first design, you’re crying over nothing, just like maxim was crying over nothing when he wasn’t getting the rifle he wanted. Boohoo. It happens. Let’s act like adults and try to enjoy this forum game instead of being pissy because you’re incorrectly assuming for some reason that the rifle dictates the entire direction of the team’s design doctrine. I’ve had enough of it. Cut it with the “Cool went out the window” nonsense.