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[m1895]

It doesn't say anywhere in the design (as far as I saw) that the bayonet has a grippable handle. Also, if it's already sword-length, then it's probably pretty awkward to swing it around at the end of a rifle. A dedicated sword would just be better, and add to our country aesthetic.

I'd love a dedicated sword design, but it comes with the problem of being a melee weapon, so either it's secondary by default or we need to spend a few designs on a super soldier program first.

The swords I was referring to are typically about 18 inches long (vs the bayo's 19.) This is on the short end for swords, but they were still deadly in the hands of their wielders. Because it's not the size of the sword that matters, it's how you use it that counts.




Anyway Max I asked cause it has the same mag type as a lebel, much smaller ammo, and only slight shorter length, yet has very similar mag capacity. Back of the napkin I think I can bump this up to 15+2.

[Maxim_inc]

Anyway Max I asked cause it has the same mag type as a lebel, much smaller ammo, and only slight shorter length, yet has very similar mag capacity. Back of the napkin I think I can bump this up to 15+2.

Don't forget about 3 round's length of the tube gets taken up by the follower and spring when fully compressed shortening the overall length of the magazine tube. Also 105cm and 130cm are drastically different in length in terms of handling.

It doesn't say anywhere in the design (as far as I saw) that the bayonet has a grippable handle. Also, if it's already sword-length, then it's probably pretty awkward to swing it around at the end of a rifle. A dedicated sword would just be better, and add to our country aesthetic.

I'd love a dedicated sword design, but it comes with the problem of being a melee weapon, so either it's secondary by default or we need to spend a few designs on a super soldier program first.

Well you're meant to stab and thrust with it. Anything you need to swing at is also in range to take advantage of the semi-automatic fire, same with anything in thrusting range, its very much a backup. Also you can't swing with the other 'sword' either since its still a cruciform bayonet but more than double the length. The idea of it being so long is that you can still reach out and poke someone despite the short length of the rifle compared to most rifles around 130cm in length of this era.

[The Canadian kitten]

0 - 'Redbird' Rounds -
4 - Pęknięcie Ammunition - Maxim, TricMagic, force200, TCK
2 - Royal Sidearm "Ostrze Wojenne" - Fallacy, Kashyyk
0 - Anthrax Ammunition -
0 - Spiczasty Bullets -

Not really liking having a sword when we could cause tons of damage to the body.

Besides, I'm sure we can scale this up to use as an anti tank rifle round later

[Maxim_inc]

Not really liking having a sword when we could cause tons of damage to the body.

Besides, I'm sure we can scale this up to use as an anti tank rifle round later

Yeah explosive rounds have been a thing for a long time its super easy to scale up.

[force200]

Besides, I'm sure we can scale this up to use as an anti tank rifle round later

Unlikely, as this specific round would explode from the impact with the armour without penetrating and therefore do next to no damage.

[TricMagic]

That just means we use Bazooka.

[FallacyofUrist]

Redbird Rounds would be better against armor anyways, since they can melt it.

And before you can say 'but that's unrealistic', the idea that fire-bullets can melt armor is Cool^TM, so don't count it out.

[TricMagic]

If thy get enough votes I'll switch over.

[IronyOwl]

Can we make a sidearm as a revision? And is there a point to making an entire other sword as opposed to turning the rifle into also a sword?

Anyway flaming bullets are the clear sign of a truly advanced civilization.

1 - 'Redbird' Rounds - IronyOwl
4 - Pęknięcie Ammunition - Maxim, TricMagic, force200, TCK
2 - Royal Sidearm "Ostrze Wojenne" - Fallacy, Kashyyk
0 - Anthrax Ammunition -
0 - Spiczasty Bullets -

[UristMcRiley]

0 - 'Redbird' Rounds -
5 - Pęknięcie Ammunition - Maxim, TricMagic, force200, TCK, UristMcRiley
2 - Royal Sidearm "Ostrze Wojenne" - Fallacy, Kashyyk
0 - Anthrax Ammunition -
0 - Spiczasty Bullets -

[FallacyofUrist]

Please do not remove people's votes, even if accidentally

2 - 'Redbird' Rounds - IronyOwl, Fallacy
5 - Pęknięcie Ammunition - Maxim, TricMagic, force200, TCK, UristMcRiley
1 - Royal Sidearm "Ostrze Wojenne" - Kashyyk
0 - Anthrax Ammunition -
0 - Spiczasty Bullets -

Can we make a sidearm as a revision? And is there a point to making an entire other sword as opposed to turning the rifle into also a sword?

1, probably not, unfortunately, since revisions are expansions or modification of existing items. We'd basically have to downsize a gun. I see it being doable if we have a lot of 'gun' experience, but otherwise not really.
2, turning a rifle into a sword would probably be harder to do than turning a bayonet into a sword.

[TricMagic]

Can we make a sidearm as a revision? And is there a point to making an entire other sword as opposed to turning the rifle into also a sword?

Anyway flaming bullets are the clear sign of a truly advanced civilization.

1 - 'Redbird' Rounds - IronyOwl
4 - Pęknięcie Ammunition - Maxim, TricMagic, force200, TCK
2 - Royal Sidearm "Ostrze Wojenne" - Fallacy, Kashyyk
0 - Anthrax Ammunition -
0 - Spiczasty Bullets -

Would probobly require changing the stock to be more friendly to handholding, rebalancing of the gun (Likely through a detachable handle, or maybe being able to shift it to act as crossguard), and a sharpened edge built into the barrel.

Though swinging a gun around has a good chance of breaking said gun. Revising it into a solid (shock) club would be easier since it would need that anyway to be a sword.

[IronyOwl]

Attaching the bayonet to the stock to use as a bladed club is now my preference for enhancing our melee capabilities.

[BBBence1111]

Why don't we revise the gun, so we have a harder hitting marksman rifle variant? Should be well within our capabilities, and we might as well see about getting an extra "class" of weaponry started while we don't have seventeen designs to fix.

As for ammo, well, it's a Jakobs so I'm not sold on elementals, and lead is already poisonous so Anthrax adds little. A sword is cool but of limited utility.

[FallacyofUrist]

Attaching the bayonet to the stock to use as a bladed club is now my preference for enhancing our melee capabilities.

I fully support this cool and well-thought out plan, yes

Why don't we revise the gun, so we have a harder hitting marksman rifle variant? Should be well within our capabilities, and we might as well see about getting an extra "class" of weaponry started while we don't have seventeen designs to fix.

Mm, revising ammo gives us something we can use with all our guns, though.

At least until we start getting into ammoless quasiphantom shard throwers and such.