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[Aseaheru]

 Its good, but is it as good as the possibility of a masterwork gast gun? Imagine how insane that would be 

 Anyways, moving right along, for revision, I am (still) leaning over towards the automatic rifle version of our standard rifle, because while... Lessee, its cheap, and if the sniper rifle is anything to go by thats a MMG for every squad, why not have a MMG for every squad, and a LMG-equivilant or two?

 Kot, ya got any updates ya want to make to the Bearradair, besides slapping on that giggle switch we developed for our machinegun, or should one of us come up with a different revision..?

[Kot]

Its good, but is it as good as the possibility of a masterwork gast gun? Imagine how insane that would be 

Fugg

[Quarque]

I'm all for an automatic rifle for this revision, but had this idea and wonder if it would fall within the scope of a revision.

Since the static emplacement of the machine gun is explicitly mentioned, I was wondering if we could try for a mobile emplacement with a front shield. IIRC that's been tried in ww1 before it evolved into tanks.

[Quarque]

Ah, this is what I have in mind. A Russian mobile personnel shield captured by the Germans in 1914.



But then combined with a machine gun platform.

[Kot]

Since the static emplacement of the machine gun is explicitly mentioned, I was wondering if we could try for a mobile emplacement with a front shield. IIRC that's been tried in ww1 before it evolved into tanks.

Similar idea crossed my mind but I'm not sure. We might be better served with using that for a full defensive design - in that case a full-blown Panzernest, which is a little steel bunker on wheels armed with a single machinegun that could also be dug into the ground for additional stationary protection.
My question would be - do we posses any beasts of burden? I imagine "frontline" use would still be mostly people pushing/pulling but we could maybe make it so it has two pairs of wheels and there are little extensions at the back somewhat protecting any dudes brave enough to push it into position.

Slap in some basic ventillation for the inevitable combat gasses, maybe a stove for comfort if it gets cold and a periscope for the MG. If we get cocky/lucky a spotlight. But yeah, that's a design.
I'll post the gun later, am busy now.
EDIT: If that's too boring we can put it on legs like in Iron Harvest or something, if we make infantry armor to protect against the explosive bullets that they will probably revise at some point to be cheaper we could combine the knowledge to make exosuits or power armor or mechs.
I think i mentioned it somewhere but noble (of character) Administration Knights fighting against corrupt royalist (noble of birth) peons who resort to underhanded tactics is an idea I find infinitely amusing.

[Aseaheru]

There where also versions of those things that had cannon, predating WW1. Fahrpanzer.

Spoiler: large images (click to show/hide)

 Perhaps interesting to us, they had versions of them that ran on narrow gauge railways. Only pushed along, but still.

 Kot, ya going to suggest the revision to your rifle, or shall I?

[Kot]

Am at work for a while still so in few hours (I could quickly copy the old revision I guess but I'd like to adapt the new tech to it). You're free to do it though.

[Aseaheru]

Spoiler: NSA-LR-12-6-1, ADM Index: 5N3 (click to show/hide)

   There have been many suggestions on how to make our Bunaiteach's(NSA-SR-12-3-5, ADM Index: 5N1) fill new roles on the battlefield. Now, between the enemy's Gryf's Szybki and our own sucesses with the Ràsanach(NSA-CM-12-5-1, ADM Index: 3N2), some of our older plans have been gone back to and updated for our current situations.
   Introducing the NSA-LR-12-6-1, ADM Index: 5N3. This is the Bunaiteach updated with a recoil-based operating mechanism allowing for automatic fire, with a bypassable autosear to allow for semiautomatic fire(i.e., it has a fire selector switch). This necessitates a longer receiver and to avoid complications with firing, new stocks. These new stocks include a separate "pistol grip" for the shooter, a permanently affixed bipod, and the same ergonomic customizations of the Banchéile. With the new furniture, other other changes to the layout have been made: the action of the weapon is flipped over, the bolt handle now being on the left. The magazine well is now on top(with, of course, a flip-down cover to prevent mud from entering when the weapon is unloaded), now feeding from longer, 24 round detachable double-stack double-feed magazines based upon those issued with our standard rifles. The sights, necessarily, have been offset to allow for this and compatibility has been provided for the mounting of the SC1 scope. The weapon may still mount the standard 5K1 bayonet. The barrel of the weapon is notably not made any heavier, although it is provided with the muzzle break from the Banchéile, as the weapon is not intended for sustained fire but for supressing point targets and for fire during the assault and during the inital counterattack.
   In its intended role, the weapon is intended to be used by a crew of two; a gunner and an assistant who replaces the magazines as required, directs fire, and reloads the magazines from the rest of the unit's ammunition stocks.
   
   

   A very ghetto WW1 Bren built from our poor, poor rifles, basically. Because hey, if we need new receivers and new stocks anyways, why not flip things and get some benefit towards keeping the thing loaded?

[Kot]

Spoiler: NSA-LR-12-6-1, ADM Index: 5N4 "Bearradair" (click to show/hide)

NSA-LR-12-7-1, ADM Index: 5N4 "Bearradair" is a modification of NSA-SR-12-3-5, ADMI: 5N1 "Bunaiteach" with components from NSA-CM-12-5-1, ADM Index: 3N2 "Ràsanach" which involves taking regular "Bunaiteach" rifles and adding a long gas tube system from the Ràsanach" machinegun, in combination with similar trigger mechanism to the latter, which allows both for sustained and single fired. The gun is also issued with enlarged 24 rounds magazines (NSA-FC-12-6-1, ADM Index: 5P7), which can be reloaded from standard six round charging clips.
The bolt rides along a metal slide and, to alleviate the issues that might arise from having a violently recoiling bolt near one's face, a round metal cover is installed in the rear which protects the user's face from harm. Since that block now overhands the rear of the stock slightly and makes gripping the gun as usual harder, a simple wooden pistol grip is added below. The gun is also fitted with a standard set of sights, bayonet lug and also the muzzle break and bipod from "Banchéile".

I have very little time recently.
I actually like the Bren thing but it has no name and I wonder if it would really be so hard to move the charging handle to the right side. I love my underhand charging but even if it's blocked mechanically we could probably make some silly extension that moves it to the other side. Also specify it ejects to the bottom or right or anywhere else that isn't someone's face. Give it some cute name too,

[Aseaheru]

 Well, the bolt handle being moved to the right is because the receiver is flipped upside down

[Kot]

Well, the bolt handle being moved to the right is because the receiver is flipped upside down

Sure, but we could maybe just put it on the other side with minor changes. Could look at Schmidt-Rubin and see but it could be anything we want really. It would make the parts incompatibile but not sure if it matters, and having a separate manual of arms for one of our many guns is weird.

[Quarque]

So let's see if I understand this correctly.
The Bren-inspired design is .. a light machine gun? Needs a crew of three to operate and it would be light enough that they could carry it around?
The Bearrarair is.. some sort of automatic variant of the standard rifle that a single person can carry around?

Is that an accurate summary? Any special advantages to either revision that I should be aware of?

"I am adorably stupid and want everything explained to me - if the meaning is pleasant."
 

[Kot]

They're both doing the exact same thing - it's a Chauchat/BAR/Madsen thing where it's a source of relatively portable machinegun fire.
Both would probably have at least two guys using them, one firing and one carrying additional ammo.
Difference is one is flipped around and one isn't and other minor stuff.

[Quarque]

I'll vote for the original design to keep the thread alive.

NSA-LR-12-6-1, ADM Index: 5N3 (1): Quarque

[Nirur Torir]

I was going to propose trying to break out perfect machine gun into a terrible faux SMG, but it was inappropriate with Halloween being over.
I've since been debating using our scopes to make binoculars. Turn 5's design can be an SMG or faster rifle, which works better than trying to revise one. In the mean time, binoculars will let us press our range advantage further, by giving us more eyes watching for grass waving weirdly when enemy soldiers move through it.

NSA-LR-12-6-1, ADM Index: 5N3 (1): Quarque
NSA-EQ-13-6-2, ADM Index: 5H1 (1): Nirur Torir

Spoiler: NSA-BN-13-6-2, ADM Index: 5H1 (click to show/hide)

We have scopes for our guns. We can attach two together into binoculars and give them a strap for easy carrying, giving more soldiers the ability to identify the enemy at long range, and giving our snipers spotter support.